God's unconditional promises to the ancient nation of Israel

Clare73 · Nov 19, 2021

Biblewriter said:
You can not quote EVEN ONE scripture that says that "the church" is "Israel." There is no such passage, anywhere in the entire Bible.

You cannot quote EVEN ONE scripture that says "God" is "Triune."

So much for your irrefutable standard.

The one olive tree of God's people in the OT was whom? . . .It was Israel, and from which she was cut off.

Who is the one olive tree of God's people now?. . .it is the Church. . .into which Israel will be grafted back
. . . IF they do not persist in unbelief.

BABerean2 · Nov 20, 2021

Biblewriter said:
3000 Jews being saved in one day is not even approximately “they all… from the least of them to the greatest of them.”

You are continually trying to pretend that what God explicitly said about Israel and Judah was fulfilled in the church. But no scripture says any such thing.

You are continually ignoring what the Apostle Paul said below about the two different Israels, in an attempt to make modern Dispensational Theology work.

Do you know the difference between Israel of the flesh, and Israel of the promise?

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "remnant"?
Does the word "remnant" mean "all"?

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Do you know the difference between the Baal worshipers and the faithful remnant?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Will "all" of the "remnant" be saved? Yes.

Thank God that anyone can read Hebrews 8:6-13 for themselves, instead of listening to the words of men.

If you think every modern Orthodox Jew is going to be saved, you might want to start reading the obituaries of our nation's newspapers to find the truth. How many of them were told they are "God's chosen people" by those who failed to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with them?

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Biblewriter · Nov 20, 2021

Clare73 said:
You cannot quote EVEN ONE scripture that says "God" is "Triune."

So much for your irrefutable standard.

The one olive tree of God's people in the OT was whom? . . .It was Israel, and from which she was cut off.

Who is the one olive tree of God's people now?. . .it is the Church. . .into which Israel will be grafted back
. . . IF they do not persist in unbelief.

Yes, it says "IF." But God Himself has PROMISED that they will NOT abide forever in unbelief.

Biblewriter · Nov 20, 2021

BABerean2 said:
You are continually ignoring what the Apostle Paul said below about the two different Israels, in an attempt to make modern Dispensational Theology work.

Do you know the difference between Israel of the flesh, and Israel of the promise?

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "remnant"?
Does the word "remnant" mean "all"?

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Do you know the difference between the Baal worshipers and the faithful remnant?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Will "all" of the "remnant" be saved? Yes.

Thank God that anyone can read Hebrews 8:6-13 for themselves, instead of listening to the words of men.

If you think every modern Orthodox Jew is going to be saved, you might want to start reading the obituaries of our nation's newspapers to find the truth. How many of them were told they are "God's chosen people" by those who failed to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with them?

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Rather than IGNORING the difference between the physical Israel and the true Israel, my entire point is BASED on it. It would have been difficult for God to have made it more clear than, as He taught in Romans 9, that the TRUE Israel is a sub-set of the PHYSICAL Israel, NOT an entirely different group, as you try to pretend, in order to shore up your BLATANT REFUSAL to believe the IRREVOCABLE promises that God made to the ancient NATION of Israel..

Clare73 · Nov 20, 2021

Biblewriter said:
Yes, it says "IF."
But God Himself has PROMISED that they will NOT abide forever in unbelief.

Gee, wonder why Scripture says "IF" instead of "WHEN".

And there being not EVEN ONE Scripture that says "the church" is "Israel"?

Biblewriter · Nov 20, 2021

Clare73 said:
Gee, wonder why Scripture says "IF" instead of "WHEN".

And there being not EVEN ONE Scripture that says "the church" is "Israel"?

The promise that Israel will eventually repent and turn back to the Lord is explicitly stated in Isaiah 4:3-4, in Zechariah 12:20-14, in Zechariah 13:9, in Jeremiah 31:33-34, Romans 11:26, among other places.

And yes, there is absolutely not even one passage in the entire Bible that says that “the church” is “Israel.@

Clare73 · Nov 20, 2021

Biblewriter said:
The promise that Israel will eventually repent and turn back to the Lord is explicitly stated in Isaiah 4:3-4, in Zechariah 12:20-14, in Zechariah 13:9, in Jeremiah 31:33-34, Romans 11:26, among other places.

And yes, there is absolutely not even one passage in the entire Bible that says that “the church” is “Israel.@

Except for that passage on the one olive tree of God's people being the church now.

Likewise, there is absolutely not even one passage in the entire Bible that says that "God" is "Triune."

And?

Biblewriter · Nov 20, 2021

Clare73 said:
Except for that passage on the one olive tree of God's people being the church now.

Likewise, there is absolutely not even one passage in the entire Bible that says that "God" is "Triune."

And?

There is no passage that says that there is “one olive tree of God’s people.”

You are making one of the most common errors in interpreting scripture. You are ASSUMING that YOUR INTERPRETATION of the MEANING of a passage of scripture is what it SAYS. But the Bible only SAYS what it actually says, not what YOU think that MEANS.

BABerean2 · Nov 21, 2021

Biblewriter said:
The promise that Israel will eventually repent and turn back to the Lord is explicitly stated in Isaiah 4:3-4, in Zechariah 12:20-14, in Zechariah 13:9, in Jeremiah 31:33-34, Romans 11:26, among other places.

And yes, there is absolutely not even one passage in the entire Bible that says that “the church” is “Israel.@

When you say "Israel" will eventually repent, who are you talking about?

Does that include every person who lives within the geographical borders of the modern State of Israel?

Does that include every person who is a modern descendant of Jacob?

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Biblewriter · Nov 21, 2021

BABerean2 said:
When you say "Israel" will eventually repent, who are you talking about?

Does that include every person who lives within the geographical borders of the modern State of Israel?

Does that include every person who is a modern descendant of Jacob?

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The Bible defines that as every descendant of the ancient nation of Israel that will have survived to that time.

Clare73 · Nov 21, 2021

Biblewriter said:
There is no passage that says that there is “one olive tree of God’s people.”

And the passage that states more than one olive tree of God's people?

BABerean2 · Nov 21, 2021

Biblewriter said:
The Bible defines that as every descendant of the ancient nation of Israel that will have survived to that time.

Do you have any idea how the DNA of Jacob's descendants has been passed down to modern times?

Because the Northern tribes were taken into captivity hundreds of years before the time of Christ, their DNA has been spread throughout Asia, and Europe, and now North and South America.

Some of my European ancestors were from Ireland.

Irish People take a DNA test:

Can you explain Paul's reference to "genealogies" in the scripture below?
Was Paul trying to warn us against what you are promoting?

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Biblewriter · Nov 22, 2021

Clare73 said:
And the passage that states more than one olive tree of God's people?

There is NO passage, anywhere in the entire Bible, That states that ANY olive tree "is God's people."

Biblewriter · Nov 22, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Do you have any idea how the DNA of Jacob's descendants has been passed down to modern times?

Because the Northern tribes were taken into captivity hundreds of years before the time of Christ, their DNA has been spread throughout Asia, and Europe, and now North and South America.

Some of my European ancestors were from Ireland.

Irish People take a DNA test:

Can you explain Paul's reference to "genealogies" in the scripture below?
Was Paul trying to warn us against what you are promoting?

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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It is indeed odd, that, after QUOTING scriptures about NOT paying attention to "fables and endless genealogies," you would DARE to resort to FABLES about "endless genealogies."

I have more confidence in what GOD said, that in EVERYTHING mere mortals can EVER say.

BABerean2 · Nov 22, 2021

Biblewriter said:
There is NO passage, anywhere in the entire Bible, That states that ANY olive tree "is God's people."

Really?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear

unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Gentiles Grafted In
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

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Biblewriter · Nov 22, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Really?

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Gentiles Grafted In
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

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As I pointed out before. This passage MOST CERTAINLY does NOT say that the olive tree "is God's people." You INTERPRET it to MEAN that. But it DOES NOT SAY that.

There is absolutely no way for you to escape the HARD FACT, that YOUR doctrine is based on YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the MEANINGS of a relatively small number of scriptures that NEVER, EVEN ONCE actually SAY what you INTERPRET them to MEAN, while our doctrine is based on what a much larger number of scriptures EXPLICITLY SAY, in PLAIN, CLEAR words.

Clare73 · Nov 22, 2021

Biblewriter said:
There is NO passage, anywhere in the entire Bible, That states that ANY olive tree "is God's people."

Previously addressed.

BABerean2 · Nov 22, 2021

Biblewriter said:
As I pointed out before. This passage MOST CERTAINLY does NOT say that the olive tree "is God's people." You INTERPRET it to MEAN that. But it DOES NOT SAY that.

There is absolutely no way for you to escape the HARD FACT, that YOUR doctrine is based on YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of the MEANINGS of a relatively small number of scriptures that NEVER, EVEN ONCE actually SAY what you INTERPRET them to MEAN, while our doctrine is based on what a much larger number of scriptures EXPLICITLY SAY, in PLAIN, CLEAR words.

Are you the same guy who had to admit a few days ago that Hebrews 8:11-12 is in the Bible?

Did that experience teach you any humility?

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Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?

(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)

The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?

1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)

2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?

3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?

4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?

5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?

6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?

7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?

8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)

9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)

10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.

Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:

“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.

Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.

John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…

"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)

What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?

Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?

Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?

Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?

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Clare73 · Nov 22, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Are you the same guy who had to admit a few days ago that Hebrews 8:11-12 is in the Bible?

Did that experience teach you any humility?
..........................................................
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?

1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)

2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?

3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?

4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?

5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?

6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?

7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?

8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)

9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)

10. Watch the YouTube video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.

Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.

Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:

“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.

Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”

Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.

John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…

"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”

John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25

Parenthesis?!!!

Have they even read the NT? Apparently not. . .

For in NT revelation, the Church is
the called-out people of God going back to Abraham (Genesis 12:1; Galatians 3:7-8, Galatians 3:16, Galatians 3:29; Romans 4:16, Romans 11:16-17; Ephesians 3:6; 1 Peter 2:9-10),

the body of Christ in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union (Ephesians 5:31-32),
that body being the singular vessel (Ephesians 1:22-23, Ephesians 2:11-22, Ephesians 3:6),
the one tree (Romans 11:17-24),
the only vine (Hosea 10:1; John 15:5) and
the one fold (John 10:16),

wherein God demonstrates the wisdom of his counsels, for the instructing of the angels (Ephesians 3:10-11; cf 1 Corinthians 4:9, 1 Corinthians 11:10; 1 Peter 1:12; 1 Timothy 5:21; Hebrews 12:22; Luke 15:7). It is

the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, Mount Zion, the holy mountain (Hebrews 12:22),
including the OT saints (Revelation 21:9-12),
the circumcision (Philippians 3:3),
the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16),
the chosen people, royal priesthood, holy nation (1 Peter 2:9),
the seed of Abraham (Romans 4:11; Galatians 3:29),

in whom God's eternal purpose from before the foundations of the world has been to prepare her as a bride, without spot or blemish to present her radiant to the Lamb, his one and only Son, (Ephesians 1:4-5, Ephesians 5:25-32; Revelation 19:7-8, Revelation 21:1-2, Revelation 21:9-14).
All of history and all of time is for this SINGLE purpose of God--to prepare a bride for his Son.

The OT revealed the plan in types and shadows (Genesis 18:18; Exodus 15:17; Psalms 49:9-15, Psalms 48:1-14; Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 24:23, Isaiah 25:6-10, Isaiah 26:1-2, Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 55:3-5, Isaiah 56:6-8, Isaiah 60:1-22; Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 65:1, Isaiah 65:17-25, Isaiah 66:20-24);
Christ secured the plan on the cross (Ephesians 5:23-25; Titus 2:14), and
the NT reveals the plan in full ( (Romans 16:25-26; Ephesians 1:9-10, Ephesians 3:3-6, Ephesians 3:8-11, Ephesians 5:32; Colossians 1:26-28, Colossians 2:2-3; Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11:15, Revelation 16:17, Revelation 21:6).

So that all those not called to that single purpose (Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:9-11, Ephesians 3:10-11; Philippians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:9); i.e., all those not included in the bride of the Lamb (aka, the Church, the body of Christ, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, the kingdom of God, the new creation--Ephesians 2:10) are eternally lost outsiders (Romans 11:23; Revelation 22:14-15; cf 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 5:5; Galatians 5:19-21),
because they are not part of that eternal plan secured by the sacrifice of the Lamb (Ephesians 1:22-23, Ephesians 5:23-32; Acts 4:12).

It is in the light of the NT that we learn that God has only one purpose in human history (Ephesians 1:8-11), and that purpose is his Church, the bride of the Lamb and the body of his Christ (Colossians 1:16-20; Revelation 11:15). That Church is
the goal of all his counsels (Romans 8:30; Romans 9:22-24; cf Exodus 12:36; Deuteronomy 4:37-38; 1 Chronicles 17:12-14; Proverbs 13:22, Proverbs 21:18; Isaiah 43:3-4; Revelation 21:6),
the showcase of his wisdom,
the crown jewel of his new creation (Revelation 21:1; Revelation 21:11, Revelation 21:18-21). It is the true temple (Ephesians 2:19-22) and
the singular residence of his glory (Revelation 21:22-23).

So in the light of the NT, we see that the prophetic types; e.g., the promised land, the kingdom, Mount Zion, the holy mountain, Jerusalem, the Holy City, the bride (Ezekiel 16:32; Isaiah 62:5; Jeremiah 3:6-20), the temple (Ezekiel 40-44; Zechariah 6:12-13), the priesthood, etc.
have their completion in Christ, and in his body, the Church (2 Corinthians 1:20; Matthew 12:28; Luke 17:21-22; Hebrews 12:22; 1 Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 2:9-10),
either in time on earth, in eternity in the new creation, or both; for
the Church is that new creation both of time (2 Corinthians 4:16, 2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15) and eternity (Revelation 21:1, Revelation 21:4-8),
which is the restoring of the original creation (Genesis 1:27 w/ Colossians 3:10; Ephesians 4:24; Titus 3:5; Genesis 1:28 w/ Matthew 19:28; 1 Corinthians 6:2-3; Genesis 2:24 w/ Matthew 19:8-9; Romans 8:19-23 w/ 2 Peter 3:12-13).

It is in the light of the NT that we see the marvelous unity, not division, of the divine plan (Ephesians 4:4-6), as well as of the Bible.

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Biblewriter · Nov 22, 2021

Clare73 said:
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