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bekkilyn · Nov 22, 2021

coffee4u said:
It's been coming on for a long time. Even Candice Owen was original left wing. Hopefully more women will start to see the real agenda of the left isn't equality. Not for woman and not for black people or other ethnic minorities. I don't even truly believe they want to help trans people either, I believe they are being used as well.

A lot of the trouble likely isn't even coming from actual trans people (those with gender dysphoria diagnosis), but by all the virtue signalers and alphabet wannabes.

coffee4u · Nov 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
My experience on the left was believing that most minorities supported all of those things and I kept getting shocked when I'd get into conversations on the street and find out that they supported Trump or disagreed with some standard left-wing talking point, or some other thing, and now I know that it's simply not a true assumption that most minorities are going to be pro-left. There are MANY minorities that disagree with the left, and they DON'T want all the poison of identity politics, they DON'T agree that reality is entirely subjective and based on feelings, they DON'T support abolishing the police, and they like if not love America and the American system of government with all of the opportunities that this country provides. Yes, we will still experience racism or sexism or some other -ism at times. Nobody denies that. There is still work to do on many fronts, but not by tearing down everything that makes up western civilization. There are many, many more "Candance's" than people on the left like to believe, and the amount is growing. I'd previously just seen people like Candace as the "token black person" who somehow got the wool pulled over her eyes, but will later find out how much the "racist" right hates people like her, only to find out that it was myself who was wearing the wool.

Us 'racists rights' love Candice Owen. Wish I were that eloquent. Not that I agree completely with everything she says but pretty close to it. She interviewed the black father who stood up at a school meeting on CRT and gave it to them straight. He said to her that every single person at that school meeting was white except for him (which is interesting and telling) and that every person who got up to speak, spoke about black issues like they knew what they were talking about, when they knew nothing.

I hope so-that there are many more, because the world seems like its going crazy.

I thought a year ago or so you had a different perspective, I'm sure you replied to me saying you were for trans rights at that time. I was confused when I started to see you post for woman's rights. I wouldn't feel bad about it though, the left can be very convincing.

SilverBear · Nov 22, 2021

RDKirk said:
And at least four black women have been killed every day.

and how many black women are there compared to how many transsexuals?

SilverBear · Nov 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
No, not anti-woman, but you accused me of having "disdain for transgender women".

possibly because of posts like this:

bekkilyn said:
I've seen a LOT of that and they call heterosexual men "transphobic" for not wanting to date them. It's all about the caricature for them because they don't understand what a woman is. They think that if they doll up the *appearance* of what they believe to be an attractive woman, then that's all it should take. Heterosexual men should just fall for them and if they appear to be more "beautiful" than the biological woman wearing no make-up and sweat pants, then they are "more of a woman" than she is.

And then when it turns out that the heterosexual man chooses sweat pants woman over the trans woman, because he's attracted to *women* and not men who try to appear as women, they go ballistic.

And yes, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so harmful.

IceJad · Nov 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I had been pretty firmly left-wing myself (including being very supportive of trans rights) until this whole Rowling incident and I began to look deeper into what was really going on and to challenge my own beliefs on the topic. I had been very, very, very naive.

There is nothing wrong with supporting people who are marginalized. I'm supportive of trans people as well. What I'm not supportive of is the usage of trans issue as a tool to duress/blackmail/guilt others into submission to an ideology; political or social.

This is what I have been noticing very frequently in the West now. People being unperson for not acting or thinking in the far-left progressive lines. I hated it to the core of my being. Because this is the same tactics the nationalists in my country are employing but flipped. Read up on Nur Sajat.

Malaysian transgender woman Nur Sajat: 'I had to run away'

I believe in equal rights for all.

Ana the Ist · Nov 22, 2021

Palmfever said:
Despite her firm left-wing politics, Rowling has found herself on the receiving end of activist ire for speaking out on the sex-based rights of women, which she said is threatened by the gender fluid ideology of those on the far-left that see gender as only a social construct and not a biological fact. More

A big part of the problem of identity politics is making certain that identity stays central to your politics.

There's no real upside to Rowling, as a feminist woman, to let the trans community decide for her what a "woman" is. The same can be said of the "trans community"...they gain nothing by letting the feminists decide what a woman is.

This is honestly what I fear the most about CRT. I think it's inevitable that the majority of white people will eventually conclude that there's no reason to let any other race define "whiteness" and whether or not that is an important or positive identity...

It took a long time to dislodge the idea from most of the white community. Now it's set up to come back in a bad way.

SilverBear · Nov 22, 2021

coffee4u said:
If you as a woman want to believe a person walking around with an erect penis is a woman, so help you. You are furthering misogyny and furthering the oppression of us all.

if you want to believe that there are men doing this so help you, you are just furthering bigoty and the oppression of us all.

SilverBear · Nov 22, 2021

IceJad said:
You know when I said transgender in a prison it is implied that he/she is in there because of a crime. And I don't buy the transgender inmates are oppressed solely because of their sexuality. From what I read mostly everyone in a US prison have been in some form assaulted for just being themselves.

You should reform the US prison system as a whole not because of some transgender inmate got beaten up. And stop looking at LGBT inmates as more deserving of more considerations than all other inmates. They are all in there for a reason.

is the reason they are being beaten is that they are transgender?

bekkilyn · Nov 22, 2021

coffee4u said:
Us 'racists rights' love Candice Owen. Wish I were that eloquent. Not that I agree completely with everything she says but pretty close to it. She interviewed the black father who stood up at a school meeting on CRT and gave it to them straight. He said to her that every single person at that school meeting was white except for him (which is interesting and telling) and that every person who got up to speak, spoke about black issues like they knew what they were talking about, when they knew nothing.

I hope so-that there are many more, because the world seems like its going crazy.

I thought a year ago or so you had a different perspective, I'm sure you replied to me saying you were for trans rights at that time. I was confused when I started to see you post for woman's rights. I wouldn't feel bad about it though, the left can be very convincing.

I would have always posted for women's rights, but I didn't know that the current trans movement was hostile to and opposed to women's rights. I thought that a trans person was 100% someone who had gone through the operation and I didn't understand that the operation and hormones still didn't make a man just like a woman, so I didn't take it too seriously and would do all the appropriate virtue signaling when I'd hear about someone happening with a trans person. I DEFINITELY didn't have any clue about the self-ID thing.

But yes, last year I got into arguments with some people here on various issues that I find myself agreeing with now, because I had thought that if I had the wool over my eyes on the trans issue, then what else was going on in other areas?

There are still things I thought last year that I still agree with though that would still get me into arguments with some people on the right, so I haven't entirely "crossed over" so to speak. I still don't think the right does enough with health care and the environment, and I'm still very much pro-choice (though not pro-abortion.)

Ana the Ist · Nov 22, 2021

IceJad said:
There is nothing wrong with supporting people who are marginalized. I'm supportive of trans people as well. What I'm not supportive of is the usage of trans issue as a tool to duress/blackmail/guilt others into submission to an ideology; political or social.

This is what I have been noticing very frequently in the West now. People being unperson for not acting or thinking in the far-left progressive lines. I hated it to the core of my being. Because this is the same tactics the nationalists in my country are employing but flipped. Read up on Nur Sajat.

Malaysian transgender woman Nur Sajat: 'I had to run away'

I believe in equal rights for all.

Agreed. Frankly, I have always thought that the trans community should have the same rights as the rest of us. Instead, they seem to want to be able to choose men's rights or women's rights at will...and that's suddenly a political issue.

I have never been able to untangle the meaning of the axiomatic statement at the bottom of the trans identity....

"I feel like a man or woman."

I don't really understand what that means nor can anyone, even the trans community, really describe it.

The good thing was that I never really had to untangle that claim....because it didn't affect my life at all. Once it enters the political sphere and demands recognition as truth...we need to have a discussion. I can't accept bare assertions that lead to unique sets of rights on nothing more than someone's word about their feelings.

I need a little bit more than that...and I don't think it's an unfair request if the daily lives of millions of people are at stake.

coffee4u · Nov 22, 2021

SilverBear said:
if you want to believe that there are men doing this so help you, you are just furthering bigoty and the oppression of us all.

There are men doing this.
Dueling protesters clash outside Koreatown spa over transgender rights

bekkilyn · Nov 22, 2021

SilverBear said:
if you want to believe that there are men doing this so help you, you are just furthering bigoty and the oppression of us all.

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coffee4u · Nov 22, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I would have always posted for women's rights, but I didn't know that the current trans movement was hostile to and opposed to women's rights. I thought that a trans person was 100% someone who had gone through the operation and I didn't understand that the operation and hormones still didn't make a man just like a woman, so I didn't take it too seriously and would do all the appropriate virtue signaling when I'd hear about someone happening with a trans person. I DEFINITELY didn't have any clue about the self-ID thing.

But yes, last year I got into arguments with some people here on various issues that I find myself agreeing with now, because I had thought that if I had the wool over my eyes on the trans issue, then what else was going on in other areas?

There are still things I thought last year that I still agree with though that would still get me into arguments with some people on the right, so I haven't entirely "crossed over" so to speak. I still don't think the right does enough with health care and the environment, and I'm still very much pro-choice (though not pro-abortion.)

I will disagree with you over abortion but then nobody ever agrees with anybody all the time. The difference is while I may disagree with you, I still believe you have the right to your opinion.
American health care I believe needs a major revamp. Our medicare may not be perfect but I know I can get free care whenever I need it for less than 2% of my tax. Seems like America is very much against this type of system though, I find it difficult to understand.

bekkilyn · Nov 22, 2021

SilverBear said:
possibly because of posts like this:

There are transgender people who are NOT behaving in the way I posted and I am not disdainful of them. What I AM disdainful of is trans-radicalism and anti-woman trans-activism. I would like to see those with actual gender dysphoria be treated just as well as any other person and to have their human rights respected, but not at the expense of others who also deserve rights.

SilverBear · Nov 22, 2021

coffee4u said:
There are men doing this.
Dueling protesters clash outside Koreatown spa over transgender rights

an interesting read. I'm left wondering why the complaining women waited 36 hours before complaining to staff and weeks before going to the police

bekkilyn · Nov 22, 2021

coffee4u said:
I will disagree with you over abortion but then nobody ever agrees with anybody all the time. The difference is while I may disagree with you, I still believe you have the right to your opinion.
American health care I believe needs a major revamp. Our medicare may not be perfect but I know I can get free care whenever I need it for less than 2% of my tax. Seems like America is very much against this type of system though, I find it difficult to understand.

I still very much agree with a "medicare for all" type of system, but still allowing the option for people to choose their own private health care outside of that system, but of course different thread, different argument.

RDKirk · Nov 22, 2021

SilverBear said:
and how many black women are there compared to how many transsexuals?

How many transsexuals are there?

RDKirk · Nov 22, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Agreed. Frankly, I have always thought that the trans community should have the same rights as the rest of us. Instead, they seem to want to be able to choose men's rights or women's rights at will...and that's suddenly a political issue.

I have never been able to untangle the meaning of the axiomatic statement at the bottom of the trans identity....

"I feel like a man or woman."

I don't really understand what that means nor can anyone, even the trans community, really describe it.

The good thing was that I never really had to untangle that claim....because it didn't affect my life at all. Once it enters the political sphere and demands recognition as truth...we need to have a discussion. I can't accept bare assertions that lead to unique sets of rights on nothing more than someone's word about their feelings.

I need a little bit more than that...and I don't think it's an unfair request if the daily lives of millions of people are at stake.

The "traditional" transsexual has been a person who believes that gender is real...they're just physically the wrong one. They commit to changing and stick to the change. The idea that gender is merely a social construct is a gender-fluid thing, and within the "trans" umbrella, there is a growing disconnect between "gender fluids" and traditional transsexuals. As one traditional transsexual said, "Gender is real. If all I had to do to feel right was to change my clothes, I wouldn't have had all this surgery done."

rjs330 · Nov 22, 2021

Our prisons are a mess in the US. Prison reform is so low on the totem pole here it's ridiculous. Prisons and jails are nothing but cesspools of violence, drugs and more crime. Prisoners are NOT rehabilited and often come out far worse than when they went in.

I don't know why people are so bent out of shape over this transgender getting beat up. People are beaten up everyday in prison. Transgender or not. People are raped in prison all the time. People are stabbed and killed there. Prison is a sick and twisted place from the guards to the prisoners.

I say all if that to say prisons are necessary to remove the dangerous from the population. The guy that just killed all those people at the Christmas parade? He should have been in prison. He was a bad person.

That being said, prisons are poorly run poorly funded and do little to nothing about setting people on a better path.

rjs330 · Nov 22, 2021

SilverBear said:
is the reason they are being beaten is that they are transgender?

Maybe, maybe they are beaten up for a large number of reasons. Prisoners only have to have the smallest if reasons for beating you up. They might not like your nose or the way you walk or the color of your skin. They might not like your tattoo or the way you talk.

If you don't want to go to prison, don't do bad things. It's that simple.

In the other hand, prison should not be a hell hole for anyone. It should be a place that rehabilites and gives people hope in being better. Rather than being a place where your are beaten and raped just cause.

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