"Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob"

Douggg said:

"Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob"


Who is Jacob in verse 25, that the Lord God hid His face from in verse 24 who all fell by the sword for their iniquity and trespassing against Him in verse 23?


Explain this old testament passage Ezekiel 39:23-25 using this new testament passage Luke 21:24 to interpret it for you.

Old testament:
Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

New testament:
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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According to Ezekiel all that happened when God poured out his spirit on the house of Israel.

Eze 39:29 (KJV) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

According to Acts, God poured his spirit on the house of Israel at Pentecost.


Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Douggg said:

According to Ezekiel, and Jesus in Luke 21, Ezekiel 39:29 will be after the time of the gentiles end.

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I don't understand your argument, Ezekiel 39:29 says it happened when God poured out the spirit of grace on the house of Israel. Do you think that hasn't happened yet?

Douggg said:

When the times of the gentiles end, the Lord brings the Jews out of captivity. And that is when Ezekiel 39:29 will be fulfilled. After every single one of them are taken out of the nations in Ezekiel 39:28 - which corresponds to Matthew 24:31

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Douggg said:

When the times of the gentiles end, the Lord brings the Jews out of captivity. And that is when Ezekiel 39:29 will be fulfilled. After every single one of them are taken out of the nations in Ezekiel 39:28 - which corresponds to Matthew 24:31

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Ok I get that you think there will come a time when “whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved” won’t be true any more but do you also believe the Jews still aren’t under grace?

Douggg said:

When the times of the gentiles end, the Lord brings the Jews out of captivity. And that is when Ezekiel 39:29 will be fulfilled. After every single one of them are taken out of the nations in Ezekiel 39:28 - which corresponds to Matthew 24:31

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Ezekiel 39:25-29 refers to the Israelites of God, not to the Jewish State of Israel. As Galatians 3:26-29 makes abundantly clear.
Since Jesus came, ethnicity has nothing to do with who is a true person of God. We Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are the Overcomers for God, literally His Israelites.

The mixed race peoples who currently occupy the holy Land, are prophesied to be removed, as many prophesies tell us. Jeremiah 12:14, Zechariah 1:14-18, Amos 1 and Amos 2:1-5, Isaiah 6:11-13....only a remnant will remain. Romans 9:27

Douggg said:

"Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob"


Who is Jacob in verse 25, that the Lord God hid His face from in verse 24 who all fell by the sword for their iniquity and trespassing against Him in verse 23?

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Israel.

Douggg said:

Explain this old testament passage Ezekiel 39:23-25 using this new testament passage Luke 21:24 to interpret it for you.

Old testament:
Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

New testament:
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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Yep. These things will surely come to pass.
FYI, here is the verse in the LXX version.

Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus says Yehovah God, “Now will I turn back captivity in Jacob, and will have mercy on the house of Israel, and will be jealous for the sake of My holy name.

Douggg said:

In the middle part of the 7 years in Ezekiel 39, they turned to Jesus and will be saved.

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This belief is unscriptural and is never prophesied to happen.
The House of Judah, partly represented by the Jewish State of Israel, is prophesied to be destroyed by the Sixth Seal event and only a remnant of those Jews who are Christians now, will survive. Isaiah 22:1-14, Isaiah 29:1-4

Douggg; you continually promote ideas and theories, without any scriptural support, just your opinion.
Ezekiel 39; the whole chapter is a prophecy of how God will protect and bless His faithful people, every faithful Christian. That the OT refers to them as Israel, is explained by the NT. Ephesians 2:11-18

EVERYONE who Overcomes Satan, is an Israelite of God. We see them in each of the seven Church's of Revelation.

Douggg said:

Ezekiel 39 is not a prophecy aimed at Christians, the body of Christ, but at Israel.

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Your mistake is in not knowing who is the true Israel.
You confuse ancient Judah and Israel and you refuse to see how ethnicity has no value in who is a true person of God.

The Church teachers who have promoted a Jewish redemption, to support the never prophesied; 'rapture to heaven' theory, have a lot to answer for. God will Judge them harshly. James 3:1,

Douggg said:

Keras, I am sure you recall that God's way are higher than our ways.

God takes actions and decides things differently than we do. The prophecies in the bible all work together that God is going to fix a broken creation caused by Satan and his angels.

The people over there that you are complaining about, most of them were born into this world after you and I, and certainly were not around thousands of years ago. But their ancestors were, failures and successes. If God decides to deal with a generation of people and ties what He is doing back to their ancestors, what's it to us that we should disagree? God is on a different level than us.

All of the actions coming forth, there are persons arising that are not even close to being a true person of God - like the Antichrist - yet that person is a central part of bible prophecies.

The issue of bible prophecy is not salvation, but the fixing of creation. If God chooses to restore Israel, and save them as a people, and chooses to do so on a certain course, then our job is to get on board with how God has decided to do things, and not our own agenda.

Where this is all going is the destruction of the root cause of how creation got messed up - and that root cause is Satan.

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Very good.
But the people currently living in the holy Land area will be virtually wiped out, so any ideas of their redemption, are wrong and cannot happen.

I would like people to re-read 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
I believe the Day of Judgment referred to will be the Sixth Seal event, our great test by fire. 1 Peter 4:12
God will test us and our works to determine who will be His people in His holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
Those who revolt and rebel will not enter the Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38
But those who do hold firm to their faith will, despite their works being burned up because they failed to do or teach the truths of scripture.
Those who did act righteously and taught the Biblical truths, will be rewarded. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 22:12

Jacob refers to the physical bloodline or physical descendants of Jacob, whether good, bad or ugly. Israel refers to the spiritual condition of righteousness and holiness for both Jews and Christians. Verse 25 won't be fulfilled until all the Jews in all the countries of the world have emigrated to Israel. This universal emigration will eventually happen, no matter how many Jews presently in Israel are wiped out. Today, only about 40% of the total Jewish population of over 15 million on the planet live in Israel.

Unfortunately, the word "Israel" in the bible can also refer to the Northern Kingdom of Samaria, since that is what they presumptuously called themselves. The same thing has happened in 1948 with the creation of the State of Israel. Confusion thus exists in biblical interpretation. The title "Israel" was conferred upon Jacob by an angel. It had nothing to do with heredity and no one living after Jacob can claim it simply as a matter of heredity. You can't be of Israel simply because you claim to be a Jew or Christian. It is those of Israel (translated prince of God) that will rule in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Restoring the captivity of Jacob is mentioned 3 times in the following passage of Jeremiah 30., verses 3,10 and 18

Jer 30:3-24 KJV 3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. 4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. 8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: 9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. 11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished. 12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. 13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. 14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased. 15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee. 16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey. 17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof. 19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small. 20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them. 21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD. 22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked. 24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

There are 3 points to consider.
1. It's at the time of Jacob's trouble.
2. God will make a full end of all the nations where Israel dwells in captivity.
3. Afterwards, God will multiply them.

I will comment later and how Luke 21 applies.
Be Blessed
The PuP

PesachPup said:

Restoring the captivity of Jacob is mentioned 3 times in the following passage of Jeremiah 30., verses 3,10 and 18

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Here it is in a modern version:
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a fiery wind has gone out from the Lord. A whirlwind that sweeps around the heads of the wicked, the Lord’s anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purpose.

Jeremiah 30:4-7 This is what the Lord says to Israel and Judah: We have heard a cry of terror, of fear without relief, every face turns pale. How awful is that Day, there has been none like it. It is a time of anguish for Jacob, yet he will come through it safely.

This describes the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal, in the near future. It will clear the way for His people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, to gather and settle in the new nation of Beulah, in all of the holy land.


Jeremiah 30:1-3 The Lord God of Israel, tells Jeremiah to write His words: The time is coming, when I shall restore the fortunes of My people, both Judah and Israel, and bring them back to take possession of the Land which I gave to their ancestors.

Jeremiah 30:8-22 In that Day, I shall break the yoke of servitude off their necks, they will serve only Me and David, their King, raised up for them. Do not be afraid, Israel, My servants, for I shall bring you back safe from afar, all your posterity from the lands where they are now. You will be at rest once more, secure and untroubled, for I am with you, to save you. The nations will be punished and you too, will be disciplined as you deserve.

Israel and Judah were punished for their sins by exile among the nations. Yet all who despoiled you will themselves be despoiled, I will heal your wounds.

The Lord says: I shall restore the fortunes of all Israel and show my love for his dwellings. Cities and houses will be rebuilt where they once were. From them, praise and merrymaking will be heard. My people will increase and be honored, their oppressors will be punished.

A ruler will appear, one of themselves, a governor will arise from among them. I will bring him near and let him approach Me. So you will be My people and I shall be your God. Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

Jeremiah 30:24b In days to come, you will understand.


These wonderful promises to His servants, all of the Christian peoples, all grafted into the Tree that is Jesus – their heritage regenerated, brought back safely from afar, to take possession of their Land, secure and untroubled, cities and houses rebuilt, they will increase and be honored.

It is not hard to imagine, the ‘praise and merrymaking’ of His people after such amazing promises are fulfilled.

The King mentioned in Jeremiah 30:9 will be Jesus, after His Return. But, before the Return, ‘a leader will appear, one of themselves’, he will be able to approach the Lord in the same way as Moses and David did, so long ago.

All the Lord’s righteous people, will live in peace and prosperity in the Land of Greater Israel, the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, after the clearance brought about by the Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. Isaiah 66:19.

Douggg said:

Why are not the people of Israel over there, not currently Christians, are not going to be the people grafted back in?

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If they convert to Christianity; they will be.
But Bible prophecy tells us the vast majority will never repent and the Lord will destroy them. Isaiah 22:14, Matthew 8:11-12