The religion of the Left needs to be taken out of our schools

WonbyOneanddone said:

They are indoctrinating our children to believe that boys should compete with girls in sports, and when they are done they can all use the same bathroom.

None of this is science based or even logical. All of it needs to be classified a religion all it's own and thrown out of our schools.

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A lifelong feminist and Democrat gave a stark warning to her party: Stop promoting the abolition of biological sex or lose votes.

"My party has been pushing this gender identity agenda in law and throughout the society, and it’s terrible for women and girls," Kara Dansky, president of the Women’s Human Rights Campaign's U.S. chapter, told Fox News.

She said the U.S. is in the middle of a national crisis over the meaning of the words sex and gender.

"The obliteration of the material reality of biological sex should scare everyone," said Dansky, who discusses the issue in depth in her book "The Abolition of Sex: How the ‘Transgender’ Agenda Harms Women and Girls."
"Every single person is either female or male, there's nothing wrong with saying that … How many women and girls have to be hurt before our society … and our lawmakers and laws acknowledge that?"

"How many women in prison have to be raped, how many teenage girls have to be subjected to men walking around with erect penises in bathrooms and spas before our society comes to grips with the reality of what is going on?" she continued. More

Palmfever said:

A lifelong feminist and Democrat gave a stark warning to her party: Stop promoting the abolition of biological sex or lose votes.

"My party has been pushing this gender identity agenda in law and throughout the society, and it’s terrible for women and girls," Kara Dansky, president of the Women’s Human Rights Campaign's U.S. chapter, told Fox News.

She said the U.S. is in the middle of a national crisis over the meaning of the words sex and gender.

"The obliteration of the material reality of biological sex should scare everyone," said Dansky, who discusses the issue in depth in her book "The Abolition of Sex: How the ‘Transgender’ Agenda Harms Women and Girls."
"Every single person is either female or male, there's nothing wrong with saying that … How many women and girls have to be hurt before our society … and our lawmakers and laws acknowledge that?"

"How many women in prison have to be raped, how many teenage girls have to be subjected to men walking around with erect penises in bathrooms and spas before our society comes to grips with the reality of what is going on?" she continued. More

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Kara Dansky is an associate member of the Alliance Defending Freedom a group that advocates the forced surgical sterilization of transgender individuals including children.

SilverBear said:

Kara Dansky is an associate member of the Alliance Defending Freedom a group that advocates the forced surgical sterilization of transgender individuals including children.

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Horse pucky;
Lay off the CretinNewsNetwork and the lamestream media.
“SPLC bases each of these false and misleading claims on mischaracterizations of our work and cherry-picked quotes from a nearly two-decade old book,” Tedesco said. “Alliance Defending Freedom has never supported the passage of laws criminalizing homosexuality. Alliance Defending Freedom categorically condemns the forced sterilization of any person. It is wrong and inhumane.” More

SilverBear said:

and why?

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Primarily, little interest in continuing academics.

The Barbarian said:

(Barbarian suggests that evidence for the claim might make it credible)



Yep. Never any evidence that public schools teach CRT, or even present something else and call it CRT. I'm pretty sure why.



If you're correct, and the school curriculum teaches CRT, or even purports to do so, it should be easy to show. And yet, every time someone asks for evidence, we get vague stories, with no evidence.



So far, that's all we have. Can you name even one school district that does what you claim? I can't either.



Show us that. Checkable source. What do you have?

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I gave it to you back in #88

RDKirk said:

But people carrying out that theoretical process of study in universities have come to conclusions--some right, some wrong, some helpful, some unhelpful--and those conclusions are being taught in public schools.

So it's gotten useless to try to explain "CRT is not being taught" when teachers and their unions are pushing to do it.

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From my reading on it, CRT says that blaming individuals or even groups is counter-productive, and that the focus on change should be toward addressing the structural elements of racism that often are not intended to be racist at all.

That's a conclusion of CRT, but it certainly isn't CRT. Moreover, I would think that the only people who would object to that conclusion are those who want to blame someone, as opposed to actually doing something about racism.

What conclusions do you think are not helpful, and where are they being taught in public schools?

JimR-OCDS said:

This article says essentially what we're both saying.
However, they quote the NEA to show why parents
in school systems are getting upset over what is
being taught and called CRT.

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So you have some examples? Tell us about them.

Palmfever said:

Horse pucky;
Lay off the CretinNewsNetwork and the lamestream media.
“SPLC bases each of these false and misleading claims on mischaracterizations of our work and cherry-picked quotes from a nearly two-decade old book,” Tedesco said. “Alliance Defending Freedom has never supported the passage of laws criminalizing homosexuality. Alliance Defending Freedom categorically condemns the forced sterilization of any person. It is wrong and inhumane.” More

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ADF spent 1.6 million in lobbying efforts in India and provided payment for lawyers in India to work with their courts to restore a criminalization statute that would punish homosexuality with up to 10 years in prison One News Now,12/12/13; The Washington Post ,12/11/13; The Guardian,1/8/18

ADF adressed the Jamaica courts in regards to a legal challenge to Jamaica’s anti-sodomy law saying that overturning the law "threatens human dignity.” Jamaica’s law is still in effect and can punish LGBTQ people with“10 years of imprisonment with hard labor.” CatholicCommission for Social Justice,12/8/12; Human Rights First,2015; Washington Blade ,7/24/17

ADF provided advice, legal assistance and strategy and funds in excess of $800,000 to efforts to defend a law in Belize that criminalizn homosexuality making it an imprison-able offense with imprisonment for up to 10 years. Belize’s Supreme Courtstruck down the law in 2016. 7 News Belize,7/29/13;

ADF published a nine-page article supporting Russia’s so-called “gay propaganda” law, which “effectively legalizes discrimination based on sexual orientation. and decriminalizes violence directed toward any LGBT individual saying Russia “has every democratic right to legislate in this area” AllianceDefending Freedom,8/27/13; Human Rights Watch,12/15/14;Reuters,11/21/17

ADF International filed an intervention in 2015 to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) arguing that European member states should be able to “determin[e] the most proportionate and appropriate means of promoting public order, public health and morals” supporting EU member countries right to to force transgender people to undergo sterilization procedures. AllianceDefending Freedom International,7/1/15

So a lot of self-loathing going on in ADF? So much so that they are driven to persuade other countries to abuse homosexuals. Rare to see it go to that level.

The Barbarian said:

So a lot of self-loathing going on in ADF? So much so that they are driven to persuade other countries to abuse homosexuals. Rare to see it go to that level.

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I wish it was rare. when you start looking at some of these far right Christian groups and what they spend their money on you find so many are spending money and energy in 3rd world countries seeking legislation or this horrific type. The problem is finding out just where and how much money is being funneled to campaigns directed at the imprisonment of the killing of LGBT individuals. I've read some estimates that ADL alone spent in excess of sixty million to fund Uganda's infamous Kill the gays law.

SilverBear said:

I wish it was rare. when you start looking at some of these far right Christian groups and what they spend their money on you find so many are spending money and energy in 3rd world countries seeking legislation or this horrific type. The problem is finding out just where and how much money is being funneled to campaigns directed at the imprisonment of the killing of LGBT individuals. I've read some estimates that ADL alone spent in excess of sixty million to fund Uganda's infamous Kill the gays law.

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No Christian would do anything like that. We aren't here to kill sinners or to take away their rights. We are here to call them to repentance. No Christian would have anything to do with that group.

From The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an
exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great
variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains
largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts
of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10),
tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They
close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual
complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not
negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They
must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination
in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them
their inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

That is a Christian approach to the issue of homosexuality. It's not the only one, but no Christian advocates abuse of homosexuals.

The Barbarian said:

No Christian would do anything like that. We aren't here to kill sinners or to take away their rights. We are here to call them to repentance. No Christian would have anything to do with that group.

From The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994 Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an
exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great
variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains
largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts
of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10),
tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They
close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual
complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not
negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They
must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination
in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and,
if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may
encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them
their inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

That is a Christian approach to the issue of homosexuality. It's not the only one, but no Christian advocates abuse of homosexuals.

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No true Scotsman

SilverBear said:

No true Scotsman

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It's only a fallacy if it's a fallacy. I'm willing to say that some people who claim to be Christian should be put out of fellowship, as Paul explicitly taught.

RDKirk said:

It's only a fallacy if it's a fallacy. I'm willing to say that some people who claim to be Christian should be put out of fellowship, as Paul explicitly taught.

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and who are you to judge who should and should not be put out?

SilverBear said:

and who are you to judge who should and should not be put out?

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But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
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Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? -- 1 Corinthians 5,6

Here are some people who should have been expelled from fellowship:

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RDKirk said:

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
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Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? -- 1 Corinthians 5,6

Here are some people who should have been expelled from fellowship:

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and if you were judged and found wanting would you stop being a Christian?

SilverBear said:

and if you were judged and found wanting would you stop being a Christian?

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You are strawmanning the argument.

I said: "...expelled from fellowship."

RDKirk said:

You are strawmanning the argument.

I said: "...expelled from fellowship."

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so i guess that is a yes you would still be a Christian.

SilverBear said:

so i guess that is a yes you would still be a Christian.

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It's actually a "We don't know his state of grace, but we know his deliberate behavior belies it."