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JohnEmmett · Nov 19, 2021

d taylor said:
But as can be seen by The Bible, that is not actually true.

The Bible is just another holy text

essentialsaltes · Nov 19, 2021

d taylor said:
I do not need a passage from a book

Of course you don't think so -- most of your drivel is entirely free of evidential support.

it is a simple fact from evolution that long amounts of time (millions+ of years) [are needed]

Yes, but how old the earth is is not determined by its shape.

and large distances (millions+miles/light years) are needed for evolution to occur.

All earthly evolution has happened on the earth. No large distances are required.

Our knowledge about the shape of the earth and the evolution of life on earth are the results of entirely separate and independent lines of thought.

ewq1938 · Nov 19, 2021

Isaiah 41:10 said:
But do you think it is possible?

No. None of them could have any idea what the Earth looked like. I think it was God that inspired any concept of a circle and that is what the Earth would look like when looking at it from afar. They didn't need to know it is a 3d circle like a ball nor did their readers.

They didn't need to know the full details which bring us full circle to this:

"why must scripture be accurate in all matters, physics, art, biology, astronomy etc. Rather than simply just being accurate in other ways such as revealing God, God's vision and purpose and God's good news?"

ewq1938 · Nov 19, 2021

d taylor said:
Example of this is: many believe that the moon reflects the suns light and believe this as truth. But as can be seen by The Bible, that is not actually true. The moon is a created light that possesses and gives off its own light.

The bible does not say the moon creates it's own light. It does reflect the light from the sun.

Job 33:6 · Nov 19, 2021

ewq1938 said:
No. None of them could have any idea what the Earth looked like. I think it was God that inspired any concept of a circle and that is what the Earth would look like when looking at it from afar. They didn't need to know it is a 3d circle like a ball nor did their readers.

They didn't need to know the full details which bring us full circle to this:

"why must scripture be accurate in all matters, physics, art, biology, astronomy etc. Rather than simply just being accurate in other ways such as revealing God, God's vision and purpose and God's good news?"

So wait, when you say "no", do you mean that they couldn't have believed that earth was a 2D circle, or did you mean "no", they couldn't have believed that earth was a 3D shape?

ewq1938 · Nov 19, 2021

Isaiah 41:10 said:
So wait, when you say "no", do you mean that they couldn't have believed that earth was a 2D circle, or did you mean "no", they couldn't have believed that earth was a 3D shape?

Like I said, they themselves would have no way to even think it was circular at all. So any concept of a circle must come from God and I say "no" because I don't believe God would want them to think the world was a shape that it isn't.

I think "circle" was just enough info, accurate enough but without all the technical details we know about the Earth today.

d taylor · Nov 19, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
Of course you don't think so -- most of your drivel is entirely free of evidential support.

Yes, but how old the earth is is not determined by its shape.

All earthly evolution has happened on the earth. No large distances are required.

Our knowledge about the shape of the earth and the evolution of life on earth are the results of entirely separate and independent lines of thought.

It is not just the globe earth that is just part of the deception, a globe earth plus, that provides the creation needed for evolution.

Like i stated evolution needs large amounts of time. A earth that is stated as being in an outer space, that provides this large amount of time and space.

For light from stars to be stated as not reaching the earth for billions of years. This is used as a factor in this evolution deception.

But a flat stationary earth whose sun, moon and stars are 2000, 3000, 5000 mile over the earth provides no outer space for the light to travel billions of light years. No billions of miles no billions of years for the evolution deception.

It really is simple. The evolution deception needs a creation, a globe earth that exist in an outer space.

Job 33:6 · Nov 19, 2021

ewq1938 said:
Like I said, they themselves would have no way to even think it was circular at all. So any concept of a circle must come from God and I say "no" because I don't believe God would want them to think the world was a shape that it isn't.

I think "circle" was just enough info, accurate enough but without all the technical details we know about the Earth today.

Like I said, the question is about what they possibly could have believed.

So you are saying "no", it isn't possible for them to have meant that the earth was a 2D shape when they described it as a circle? Because God wouldn't want them to believe that it was a 2D shape?

d taylor · Nov 19, 2021

ewq1938 said:
The bible does not say the moon creates it's own light. It does reflect the light from the sun.

God created two great lights. Praise God to Him who made the great lights, the sun to rule by day, the moon and stars to rule by night. The moon will not give its light.

show me a moon reflecting the suns light verse.

JohnEmmett · Nov 19, 2021

d taylor said:
show me a moon reflecting the suns light verse.

essentialsaltes · Nov 19, 2021

d taylor said:
Like i stated evolution needs large amounts of time. A earth that is stated as being in an outer space, that provides this large amount of time and space.

No, it doesn't. An earth in space could have come into existence 10,000 years ago, a million years ago, a billion years ago, or last Wednesday.

For light from stars to be stated as not reaching the earth for billions of years. This is used as a factor in this evolution deception.

Nonsense. We know the earth is old from looking at the earth. Radiometric dating of rocks is literally how we measure the age of the earth and know it to be billions of years old. Nobody uses starlight to determine the age of anything on earth. Nobody worries about starlight except young earth creationists. I'm afraid it's your hang-up that shows your nonsense is nonsense. But it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth or evolution.

ewq1938 · Nov 19, 2021

d taylor said:
God created two great lights. Praise God to Him who made the great lights, the sun to rule by day, the moon and stars to rule by night. The moon will not give its light.

show me a moon reflecting the suns light verse.

You just referred to it.

Isa_13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

If the sun stops shining, the same happens to the moon. We have been to the moon. It cannot produce light but it can reflect light from the sun. No surprise, the moon is bright only when the sun can shine upon it.

Isa_30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Here if the suns brightness shall be sevenfold, the same goes for the brightness of the moon! That's because the moon reflects the light of the sun.

d taylor · Nov 20, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
No, it doesn't. An earth in space could have come into existence 10,000 years ago, a million years ago, a billion years ago, or last Wednesday.

Nonsense. We know the earth is old from looking at the earth. Radiometric dating of rocks is literally how we measure the age of the earth and know it to be billions of years old. Nobody uses starlight to determine the age of anything on earth. Nobody worries about starlight except young earth creationists. I'm afraid it's your hang-up that shows your nonsense is nonsense. But it has nothing to do with the shape of the earth or evolution.

Sure that is the theory of evolution that 10,000 years ago people evolved, but that is par for the evolution lie. That it really does not matter how old the earth except that their scientist keep forcing the age issue to prop up evolution.

Never heard any boasting of the earth being billions of years old from creationist because of starlight but have heard that quite a few times from evolutionist.

trophy33 · Nov 20, 2021

d taylor · Nov 20, 2021

ewq1938 said:
You just referred to it.

Isa_13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

If the sun stops shining, the same happens to the moon. We have been to the moon. It cannot produce light but it can reflect light from the sun. No surprise, the moon is bright only when the sun can shine upon it.

Isa_30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Here if the suns brightness shall be sevenfold, the same goes for the brightness of the moon! That's because the moon reflects the light of the sun.

"We" so you are part of the government lie about going to the moon.

No, Isaiah is about the return of The Messiah and no light will be allowed to shine when The Messiah returns sun, moon or stars. Has nothing to do with the moon stopping to shine because the sun did, because all lights will have stopped shinning on earth and in heaven, only the light of The Messiah will be shinning.

Isaiah 30:26 states that the moon will shine as bring as the sun and the sun will shine seven fold.

Still there is nothing about the moon reflecting the suns light.

This is about God increasing the amount of light in The Messianic 1000 years for the land of Israel for great healing.

d taylor · Nov 20, 2021

ewq1938 said:
You just referred to it.

Isa_13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

If the sun stops shining, the same happens to the moon. We have been to the moon. It cannot produce light but it can reflect light from the sun. No surprise, the moon is bright only when the sun can shine upon it.

Isa_30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Here if the suns brightness shall be sevenfold, the same goes for the brightness of the moon! That's because the moon reflects the light of the sun.

The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

d taylor · Nov 20, 2021

This is a pre-tribulation prophecy so.

It will interesting to see science explain away Joel 2:31

JohnEmmett · Nov 20, 2021

d taylor said:
It will interesting to see science explain away Joel 2:31

why are people dying before this?

everyone who died…

d taylor · Nov 20, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
why are people dying before this?

everyone who died…

Want to give a little more information with your question.

If you are speaking of the northern invasion of Israel, God Himself destroys this army.

JohnEmmett · Nov 20, 2021

d taylor said:
If you are speaking of …

Joel 2:31
the terrible day of the Lord

why is it coming after so many have died?

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