Discussion 2 Chronicles 7:14

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Looking at the rest of the passage it seems to be a clear Old Covenant promise specifically to National Israel. Indeed Israel is referenced several times. I can't think of any New Testament passage that references this chapter.

Is it wise to take one verse out of context and build a new teaching on it?

How would the whole land being 'healed' i.e saved sit with passages such as Matthew 7:13-14, the small gate and narrow path to life and only a very few would find it? But if the church 'prays for revival' then the narrow path turns into the wide path?

What do you think?

God Bless :)

Nowadays, it's quite typical to witness preachers/pastors regurgitating premade sermons without checking the scripture references associated with them.

It is also quite typical to hear such passages promoted in pentecostal churches for some huge end-time revival that's suppose to happen, as you mentioned. The problem with this is Jesus doesn't describe this in His prophecies.

Things are described as getting worse and worse, and that is what is happening currently.
 
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Hello!

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

When I was in the Pentecostal church this verse was often quoted as why we should 'pray for revival'. My uncle always commented on this that the verse was ripped out of it's context and is not about revival in the church. Indeed I have only ever heard the one verse quoted, never the whole chapter. And the 'pray for revival' teaching never seemed to bring any tangible result, apart from disillusionment.

11 When Solomon had finished the temple of the Lord and the royal palace, and had succeeded in carrying out all he had in mind to do in the temple of the Lord and in his own palace, 12 the Lord appeared to him at night and said:

“I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple for sacrifices.

13 “When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 15 Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place. 16 I have chosen and consecrated this temple so that my Name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there.

17 “As for you, if you walk before me faithfully as David your father did, and do all I command, and observe my decrees and laws, 18 I will establish your royal throne, as I covenanted with David your father when I said, ‘You shall never fail to have a successor to rule over Israel.’

19 “But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20 then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21 This temple will become a heap of rubble. All who pass by will be appalled and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 22 People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their ancestors, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them.’”


Looking at the rest of the passage it seems to be a clear Old Covenant promise specifically to National Israel. Indeed Israel is referenced several times. I can't think of any New Testament passage that references this chapter.

Is it wise to take one verse out of context and build a new teaching on it?

How would the whole land being 'healed' i.e saved sit with passages such as Matthew 7:13-14, the small gate and narrow path to life and only a very few would find it? But if the church 'prays for revival' then the narrow path turns into the wide path?

What do you think?

God Bless :)
I totally agree. It was all about Israel. It is written for our education, but not as a direct instruction to us. It is quite true that when we humble ourselves and pray we put ourselves in a good place of fellowship with the Lord and we become more sensitive to the leading of the Holy Spirit and may open a way of more effective service for us. But as for being something that activates a revival, it is not relevant at all.
 
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I would recommend reading the entire passage, not just the one verse out of context. My point is that I have always heard that verse taken out of context, the rest of the passage never quoted. God Bless :)
I don't see where the context changes the meaning of the verse.
 
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Your intent is timely and correct. It's context is with respect to the Israelites gathered on the Temple grounds for its dedication and any future gathering of all Israel on the Temple grounds. Apparently the following (as a nation) was a one time event ... eventually all Israel was dispersed among the nations due to their unwillingness (as a nation) with one accord to humble themselves, pray, seek GOD, and turn from their wicked ways.

3 When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the glory of the Lord above the Temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the Lord, saying, “He is good; His love endures forever.”

Verse 14 should be correctly interrupted that if the Israelites having fallen away and seeing the error of their ways will come together (as a nation) in one accord on the Temple grounds seeking GOD with a humble repentant heart, He will heal their land ...

if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

Unfortunately the reason many Christian Believers misinterpret verse 14 is because too many still believe the Christian church replaced Israel (RT) as HIS Chosen People (aka supersessionism) due to poor theology. However, as the Gentile Age nears its end with the soon coming of the Messianic Age. Many Christians have a renewed interest in the Hebrew/Jewish Roots of Christianity including the seven Festivals Of The Lord (e.g. Tabernacles / Sukkot).

Zechariah 8:22-23
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Yes, many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.’
23 Thus says the Lord of hosts: "In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”

Zechariah 14:17-19
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If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.
18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.​
I don't believe that Christianity replaced Israel, but we are grafted in. I would also hold that a verse that says, "my people, who are called by name," would mean all of His people, who are called by His name.
 
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I don't believe that Christianity replaced Israel, but we are grafted in. I would also hold that a verse that says, "my people, who are called by name," would mean all of His people, who are called by His name.

The difference between Israel and the church being seen in 'heal their land'. God has a national covenant with Israel (Psalm 147:20) and with no other nation. God does not have a national covenant with whatever country you are living in.

John 18:36, 1 Peter 2:11, Philippians 3:20, Matthew 7:13-14.

We are citizens of heaven, aliens and strangers in this world, part of a Kingdom not of this world, the few on the narrow path to life.

God Bless :)
 
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