LightLoveHope
Jesus leads us to life
Jeez man I cant tell what your trying to achieve with this?
Can you distinguish between a planned outcome and the path by which it is achieved?
God planned for the salvation of mankind, but knew he would fall.
To gain freedom and exercise it you need to be free, separate and alone, though it leads to death.
To gain life, you need to move from separation into communion and love.
When people argue about free will, they can often get overwhelmed with the difference between things we do not choose and those we can choose. The choice can be real and open, yet the others things not so. If the choice never existed and everything is determined, then sin was planned and the elect are robots which God could have created at the beginning without the round about circus.
I had a discussion with atheists about morality and life. They hold everything is chance without meaning. But ironically everyday they live and interact with others because everything has meaning to them. We are built emotional moral creatures who love and care for those close to us.
So we are built free creatures who can choose. You cannot have a determined planned outcome in this situation. You can have reward and punishments for chosen paths, which is exactly what we have.
So this is how I answer the suggestion God planned the fall. God knew the path of the fall was the price to have a redeemed people. Another way of saying this is one consequence of creating a redeemed people is the fall. Why it needs this context is to avoid the heresy God made sinners.
Love must accept the cost of failure, to be able to obtain the prize.
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