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This is something I've been thinking about for some time, and felt encouraged to share today...

[Gal 3:13-14 NKJV] 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

[Gen 15:1 NKJV] 1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I [am] your shield, your exceedingly great reward."

[Gen 12:1-3 NKJV] 1 Now the LORD had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

Do you believe that the promise given to Abraham is applicable to Gentile believers? If you do, good, so do I. Let's put two and two together here and do the math. Put a number of christians together to whom this promise applies, and it should follow that, by either blessing or cursing, we can create an economy of blessing, or cursing, and be blessed or cursed for it.

And if you think this approach may be too soft on sin, consider the following:

[Tit 3:3-7 NKJV] 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Rom 2:3-4 NKJV] 3 ... do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

Do you think it's fair to consider that repentance is the result of a blessing from God? I do. By blessing even sinners, I think we can help them toward repentance.

[Mat 5:43-45 NKJV] 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Food for thought: last I checked we still have a decent amount of Christians in the United States. We don't know how many or to whom this promise applies, but it could be a decent number, enough that I'm wary of cursing those whom I should not, and being cursed in return. As much as we may want to see fireworks and God to "get those guys" we don't like, life is short, and we only have a limited time to make the cut. I don't know about you but punishing others is not my goal.
 

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Nice Word...

Have you considered the consequences of not 'rightly dividing' the Body of Christ... the result can even be death... Taking the cup with wrong judgement of others, and ourselves, can be somewhat dangerous.

Maybe this is the curse at work ???

1 Cor 11
27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy way, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a person must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For the one who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not properly recognize the body. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number are asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.
 
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Nice Word...

Have you considered the consequences of not 'rightly dividing' the Body of Christ... the result can even be death... Taking the cup with wrong judgement of others, and ourselves, can be somewhat dangerous.

Maybe this is the curse at work ???

1 Cor 11
27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy way, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28 But a person must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For the one who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not properly recognize the body. 30 For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number are asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged.

I think that is very possible, in fact, any time we wrong another, if it were proper and we could discern the person to be a member of the body of Christ, would we do the wrong? God forbid, but I think many would prohibit themselves, if only we could remember and discern that "in as much as you have done it to the least of these..."

I know that there have been times when I so much as had an errant, prideful thought about another member of the body, the result was spiritual, and it was not leading to good places.
 
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This is something I've been thinking about for some time, and felt encouraged to share today...

[Gal 3:13-14 NKJV] 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

[Gen 15:1 NKJV] 1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I [am] your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
That ought to be applied to Christians (Jew/Gentile/etc/etc) as the provision of righteousness that is the breastplate of armour obtained by faith.

[Gen 12:1-3 NKJV] 1 Now the LORD had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Except Abram took Lot and it was catch-up after that.

Do you believe that the promise given to Abraham is applicable to Gentile believers?
After dealing with the Moabites thru Ruth, as kinsman redeemer, and the aftermath is calculated , yah.
If you do, good, so do I. Let's put two and two together here and do the math.
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Put a number of christians together to whom this promise applies, and it should follow that, by either blessing or cursing, we can create an economy of blessing, or cursing, and be blessed or cursed for it.

And if you think this approach may be too soft on sin, consider the following:

[Tit 3:3-7 NKJV] 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Rom 2:3-4 NKJV] 3 ... do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

Do you think it's fair to consider that repentance is the result of a blessing from God? I do. By blessing even sinners, I think we can help them toward repentance.

[Mat 5:43-45 NKJV] 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 "that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Food for thought: last I checked we still have a decent amount of Christians in the United States. We don't know how many or to whom this promise applies, but it could be a decent number, enough that I'm wary of cursing those whom I should not, and being cursed in return. As much as we may want to see fireworks and God to "get those guys" we don't like, life is short, and we only have a limited time to make the cut. I don't know about you but punishing others is not my goal.
 
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That ought to be applied to Christians (Jew/Gentile/etc/etc) as the provision of righteousness that is the breastplate of armour obtained by faith.

I think it's the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but obtained through faith? Sure, granted.

Except Abram took Lot and it was catch-up after that.

After dealing with the Moabites thru Ruth, as kinsman redeemer, and the aftermath is calculated , yah.
Still getting 5?
Are you referring to Ruth's being of the Moabites?
 
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I 'm not sure I'm following your point here. Are you referring to Ruth's being of the Moabites?
Kinsman redeemer thru the Moabites, which were the descendants of Lot. yes. Which was also the redemption of the curse that was Baalam’s fault by presenting forth not direct harm but in supplying the means to oppose God.
 
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Kinsman redeemer thru the Moabites, which were the descendants of Lot. yes. Which was also the redemption of the curse that was Baalam’s fault by presenting forth not direct harm but in supplying the means to oppose God.

It's an interesting take on the story, I'll give it that. I did not consider that a Moabitess being included in the lineage of Christ might have something to do with Balaam.
 
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It's an interesting take on the story, I'll give it that. I can see why a Moabitess might be included in the lineage of Christ at least.
It’s a great story.
 
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Put a number of christians together to whom this promise applies, and it should follow that, by either blessing or cursing, we can create an economy of blessing, or cursing, and be blessed or cursed for it.

And if you think this approach may be too soft on sin,
Blessing can be very helpful against sin, because it can keep us busy with blessing so we are not sinning, plus it can get a sinning person changed so the person is loving, instead.

As much as we may want to see fireworks and God to "get those guys" we don't like, life is short, and we only have a limited time to make the cut. I don't know about you but punishing others is not my goal.
The perfect revenge is to win a person to Jesus, so the sinner's old personality dies and then Satan can't use him or her like he used to. So, the best revenge, really, is against evil, by having hope for evil people and helping them to Jesus. Then that evil person is no more, plus there is a loving person, instead :)
 
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[Gal 3:13-14 NKJV] 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who hangs on a tree"), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

[Gen 15:1 NKJV] 1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I [am] your shield, your exceedingly great reward."

[Gen 12:1-3 NKJV] 1 Now the LORD had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."

Do you believe that the promise given to Abraham is applicable to Gentile believers?

I don't think you've established here that the promise to Abraham mentioned in Galatians 3 is the promise to Abraham of Genesis 12 and 15. In fact, the promise in view in Galatians 3 is stipulated clearly by Paul: "the promise of the Spirit through faith." The other promises made to Abraham that you cited are not promises concerned with the giving of the Holy Spirit, however.

2 Corinthians 4:7
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us.


1 Corinthians 10:31
31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.


Rather than putting yourself at the heart of God's work, deciding for yourself who to bless or curse on God's behalf, perhaps you should follow John the Baptist's creed:

John 3:30
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.”
 
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I don't think you've established here that the promise to Abraham mentioned in Galatians 3 is the promise to Abraham of Genesis 12 and 15. In fact, the promise in view in Galatians 3 is stipulated clearly by Paul: "the promise of the Spirit through faith." The other promises made to Abraham that you cited are not promises concerned with the giving of the Holy Spirit, however.

2 Corinthians 4:7
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us.


1 Corinthians 10:31
31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.


Rather than putting yourself at the heart of God's work, deciding for yourself who to bless or curse on God's behalf, you should follow John the Baptist's creed:

John 3:30
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.”

I believe it is established through the gift of the Spirit. It makes no sense that God would bless those who blessed Abraham and curse those who cursed him, without being Abraham's shield. The Spirit is God, who is Abraham's shield.
 
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I believe it is established through the gift of the Spirit. It makes no sense that God would bless those who blessed Abraham and curse those who cursed him, without being Abraham's shield. The Spirit is God, who is Abraham's shield.

??? Well, it is God who is over all, but this doesn't mean His promises specifically to, and for, Abraham we can adopt for ourselves. It is possible, with sufficient extrapolations and convolutions, to wind a great many things 'round to us that have, really, nothing to do with us. We could, for example, argue that we can do just as Samson did, performing great feats of strength and demolishing the enemies of God's people with our bare hands, because the Spirit that came upon Samson is the same Spirit filling believers today. So, when will you begin performing awesome feats of strength? You're filled with the Spirit, right? Which enemies of God will you destroy with the jawbone of an ass?

Do you see the problem in this sort of strained reasoning? I hope so.
 
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??? Well, it is God who is over all, but this doesn't mean His promises specifically to, and for, Abraham we can adopt for ourselves. It is possible, with sufficient extrapolations and convolutions, to wind a great many things 'round to us that have, really, nothing to do with us. We could, for example, argue that we can do just as Samson did, performing great feats of strength and demolishing the enemies of God's people with our bare hands, because the Spirit that came upon Samson is the same Spirit filling believers today. So, when will you begin performing awesome feats of strength? You're filled with the Spirit, right? Which enemies of God will you destroy with the jawbone of an ass?

Do you see the problem in this sort of strained reasoning? I hope so.

Paul says Gentiles can inherit the blessing of Abraham in Galatians 3:14
 
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Paul says Gentiles can inherit the blessing of Abraham in Galatians 3:14

Galatians 3:14
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.


And I have already pointed out that Paul restricted his meaning in this verse, stipulating that the "promise" he is talking about is the Holy Spirit. Paul did not say "all the blessings of Abraham" but "the (a single, particular) blessing."

Actually, as always, context is king in understanding Scripture properly. Here's some context for verse 14:

Galatians 3:6-9
6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”
9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.


Paul is writing here of the matter of justification, explaining that God's promise to Abraham that all the nations would be blessed in him is fulfilled in the justification by faith of the Gentiles who believed in Christ. Their justification is inextricably tied to the "baptism of the Spirit" by which they were spiritually-regenerated after the manner described in Titus 3:5 or Romans 8:9-11. All of this is encompassed in Paul's words in Galatians 3:14, confining his meaning and preventing the reading you are attempting to give to what he wrote. In context, verse 14 is a reference specifically and only to the promise to Abraham mentioned in verse 8, accomplished by the Holy Spirit indwelling all who trust in Christ as Savior and Lord. (See Joel 2:28-29)
 
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Galatians 3:14
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.


And I have already pointed out that Paul restricted his meaning in this verse, stipulating that the "promise" he is talking about is the Holy Spirit. Paul did not say "all the blessings of Abraham" but "the (a single, particular) blessing."

Actually, as always, context is king in understanding Scripture properly. Here's some context for verse 14:

Galatians 3:6-9
6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”
9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.


Paul is writing here of the matter of justification, explaining that God's promise to Abraham that all the nations would be blessed in him is fulfilled in the justification by faith of the Gentiles who believed in Christ. Their justification is inextricably tied to the "baptism of the Spirit" by which they were spiritually-regenerated after the manner described in Titus 3:5 or Romans 8:9-11. All of this is encompassed in Paul's words in Galatians 3:14, confining his meaning and preventing the reading you are attempting to give to what he wrote. In context, verse 14 is a reference specifically and only to the promise to Abraham mentioned in verse 8, accomplished by the Holy Spirit indwelling all who trust in Christ as Savior and Lord. (See Joel 2:28-29)

Are you suggesting that Abraham was baptised in the Spirit?
 
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Galatians 3:14
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.


And I have already pointed out that Paul restricted his meaning in this verse, stipulating that the "promise" he is talking about is the Holy Spirit. Paul did not say "all the blessings of Abraham" but "the (a single, particular) blessing."

Actually, as always, context is king in understanding Scripture properly. Here's some context for verse 14:

Galatians 3:6-9
6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”
9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.


Paul is writing here of the matter of justification, explaining that God's promise to Abraham that all the nations would be blessed in him is fulfilled in the justification by faith of the Gentiles who believed in Christ. Their justification is inextricably tied to the "baptism of the Spirit" by which they were spiritually-regenerated after the manner described in Titus 3:5 or Romans 8:9-11. All of this is encompassed in Paul's words in Galatians 3:14, confining his meaning and preventing the reading you are attempting to give to what he wrote. In context, verse 14 is a reference specifically and only to the promise to Abraham mentioned in verse 8, accomplished by the Holy Spirit indwelling all who trust in Christ as Savior and Lord. (See Joel 2:28-29)

Either we are free to mistreat, to curse, condemn, and persecute believers with the Spirit, free of repercussions or we are not.

I take the latter position and I believe the former position to be incongruous with the whole of the scripture.

The scripture provides more than enough basis upon which to ground my argument.
 
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Either we are free to mistreat, to curse, condemn, and persecute believers with the Spirit, free of repercussions or we are not.

I take the latter position and I believe the former position to be incongruous with the whole of the scripture.

The scripture provides more than

Hey, whatever floats your boat. If you're determined to hold your erroneous view, I can't stop you. God'll sort you out.
 
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Are you suggesting that Abraham was baptised in the Spirit?

No, Abraham was justified by faith, as we are today, but the blessing promised to Abraham concerning "all nations" (the giving of the Holy Spirit) was a post-Calvary blessing.
 
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Either we are free to mistreat, to curse, condemn, and persecute believers with the Spirit, free of repercussions or we are not.

We are not.

The Spirit is a person of the trinity not a thing that we use at will.
 
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No, Abraham was justified by faith, as we are today, but the blessing promised to Abraham concerning "all nations" (the giving of the Holy Spirit) was a post-Calvary blessing.

Genesis 9:9
And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

Seed is singular meaning to believers in the Christ to come.

With the covenant comes all the blessings of the covenant and more (better promises)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
 
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