The KJVO myth...

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It is not clear what you intended by this post. But the "Hell no!" folks quote it out-of-context claiming it means all mankind will be saved, no matter what. But nothing could be further from the truth.
1 Corinthians 3:9-17
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.​
These verses clearly show that Paul is not talking to/about all mankind but only to “laborers together with God,””God's husbandry,””God's building” “who build on the foundation of Christ” vss, 9-12.
Paul mentions this foundation three times. Vs. 11 excludes any work not on the foundation of Christ.
The phrases “every man,””no man,””any man,” throughout this passage refer to the group in vss. 9-10, NOT all mankind.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon [the foundation of Christ vs. 12], he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.​
The work mentioned in these these vss. is NOT the ordinary mundane works of all mankind but the work of building on the foundation of Christ. Man is NOT saved by works.
And vs. 15 does not say anyone is saved by fire. It says, “Yet so as by fire.”
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.​
Vs. 17 clearly refutes UR in this passage. All mankind is not saved, those who defile the temple will be destroyed, not saved.
This passage is NOT speaking about all mankind no matter how UR-ites try to twist it.
Nowhere is it written that anyone is saved by fire or that the loss of ordinary, mundane works of unsaved mankind will save anyone.

As you know, the tongue is a FIRE, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on FIRE the course of nature; and it is set on FIRE of hell. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly EVIL, full of DEADLY POISON. James 3:v.5-8

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, said that many want to be masters, but they shall receive the greater condemnation. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. JAMES made a comparison: Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
And the tongue is a FIRE, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on FIRE the course of nature; and it is set on FIRE OF HELL.
 
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My point is if he held to the Critical Text or the Textus Receptus seeing these are the two major line of manuscripts generally used by Bibles today.
There is only one major edition used by Bibles today - Nestlé Aland.

Nobody uses the edition of Erasmus anymore, its based on too few manuscripts and one of the manuscripts was even a fabrication, very probably, made by the Roman Catholic Church just to add the longer reading of 1J 5:7 into the Greek text.
 
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That pure inerrant word in the ancient manuscripts doesn't exist anymore. Yes I can name a perfect inerrant bible, it's the KJV.
To say that some medieval English king produced a perfect inerrant bible is quite close to a blasphemy and very ignorant.
 
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To say that some medieval English king produced a perfect inerrant bible is quite close to a blasphemy and very ignorant.

Worse - a Scottish Reformation King.

Just glad the KJV is mostly Tyndale and some Geneva, plus only a little Scottish Freemason.
 
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Of course it does not sit well with you. You believe the way you do for your own reasons. Again, it’s not just any one evidence like one verse alone that is the problem. It’s tons of verses that are bad in Modern Translations (Which is not the case with the KJB).
Athanasius was bishop of Alexandria.

This fact will not change based on my "own reasons" or yours.

Stop maligning a city based on the fact that a heretic lived there when the bishop of that city addressed it at the time.

Edit - And Athanasius is interpreted as referring to 1 John 5:7, and other writers around the time did as well. Here's the quote attributed to Athanasius in question:

“But also, is not that sin-remitting, life-giving and sanctifying washing, without which, no one shall see the kingdom of heaven, given to the faithful in the Thrice-Blessed Name? In addition to all these, John affirms, ‘and these three are one.‘”

Source which also has other relevant quotes from around the same time period - The Johannine Comma of 1 John 5:7-8: Added or Removed? - Berean Patriot

For as much as you wanted to switch the conversation to be about what you think about me, you'd have been better off addressing what Athanasius actually said.

And now I'm going to go read that website and comments to become more familiar with this topic, since there seems to already be a discussion happening there.
 
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Uh, I don’t believe a Christian is sinning if they feel convicted to use a particular translation that it is not the King James Bible. I do believe that there is a chance that it can effect their growth in the Lord, though.

Nope.
All Bibles proclaim the same, Triune, God; same Saviour, same Spirit, same Gospel, same need to be born again. They all have the same teaching that if we are in Christ we are new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17, have every spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3, are God's children, Romans 8:16, John 1:12, are guaranteed an inheritance, through the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, Ephesians 1:14, cannot be separated from God's love, Romans 8:38-39, cannot be snatched out of God's hands, John 10:29. They teach that the Holy Spirit gives us gifts, 1 Corinthians 12, bears fruit in us, Galatians 5:21-22 and intercedes to God for us, Romans 8:27. They teach that Jesus was both God and man, was born, died for us, raised again, ascended, sent his Spirit to his church, has called his church to serve him and preach the Gospel, and will return again one day.

Anything can affect a Christian's growth in the Lord; not reading, or studying, the Bible enough, for example - taking verses out of context, building a doctrine on only one verse, for example. Even arguing endlessly over words, or interpretations, could affect a Christian's growth in the Lord. But reading the NIV rather than the KJV in study and devotions? No.
 
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To say that some medieval English king produced a perfect inerrant bible is quite close to a blasphemy and very ignorant.
To say that there is no inerrant bible is close to blasphemy and very ignorant.
 
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There is only one major edition used by Bibles today - Nestlé Aland.

Nobody uses the edition of Erasmus anymore, its based on too few manuscripts and one of the manuscripts was even a fabrication, very probably, made by the Roman Catholic Church just to add the longer reading of 1J 5:7 into the Greek text.

Not in the Eastern Orthodox church, we used our own internal lectionaries in developing the Patriarchal Text.

I do agree that the TR had few manuscripts but that the Johannine Comma is probably where someone took a gloss and added it to the text. In fact, Erasmus did not originally include the Comma in his first two editions.
 
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To say that there is no inerrant bible is close to blasphemy and very ignorant.

No it isn't.

Nothing produced by fallible, imperfect humans will ever be perfect. And it's a simple fact that in the 400 years since the KJV has been produced, discoveries have been made and language has changed - nothing that the original translators could ever have foreseen.

To say that this is blasphemy against a perfect, eternal, unchangeable God, is incorrect.
 
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No it isn't.

Nothing produced by fallible, imperfect humans will ever be perfect. And it's a simple fact that in the 400 years since the KJV has been produced, discoveries have been made and language has changed - nothing that the original translators could ever have foreseen.

To say that this is blasphemy against a perfect, eternal, unchangeable God, is incorrect.
And there lies the problem. You ASSUME God could not or would not inspire the translators. Where do you guys come it with this? The most important thing in a believers life, we know nothing about God without his word and you guys think God wrote in now extinct languages and left us without his inerrant word.

Have you read Acts 2? God knows how to speak in other languages.
 
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Have you read Acts 2? God knows how to speak in other languages.

So then God has preserved His Word in more recent translations of the Bible as we know longer speak the King's English and many words have changed and evolved.
 
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And there lies the problem. You ASSUME God could not or would not inspire the translators. Where do you guys come it with this? The most important thing in a believers life, we know nothing about God without his word and you guys think God wrote in now extinct languages and left us without his inerrant word.

Have you read Acts 2? God knows how to speak in other languages.

What do you mean "extinct"? I use Koine / Byzantine Greek in every single service and even today, Katharevousa Greek is still the official language of the Greek Orthodox church. Even Aramaic is still in use in parts of the Middle East.
 
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So then God has preserved His Word in more recent translations of the Bible as we know longer speak the King's English and many words have changed and evolved.
How do you know God didn't send a lying spirit to inspire those newer versions?
 
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What do you mean "extinct"? I use Koine / Byzantine Greek in every single service and even today, Katharevousa Greek is still the official language of the Greek Orthodox church. Even Aramaic is still in use in parts of the Middle East.
Weren't you the guy that said you barely order food from a restaurant in Greek?
 
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Weren't you the guy that said you barely order food from a restaurant in Greek?

That's demotic Greek which is modern spoken Greek. Koine, Byzantine and Kathavousa Greek are all older forms which are used in church services. So I can argue theology but not ask where the bathroom is :p
 
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How do you know God didn't send a lying spirit to inspire those newer versions?

How do you know He did? Also, why lead billions of people astray?

Is that the type of God that you serve? I serve the God of the New Testament that sent his only begotten son to earth to die for my sins and the sins of the world.
 
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That's demotic Greek which is modern spoken Greek. Koine, Byzantine and Kathavousa Greek are all older forms which are used in church services. So I can argue theology but not ask where the bathroom is :p

It's along the lines of my chemical engineering background. I had to learn enough German to work with a German chemical encyclopedia that had not been translated into English. So everyone took a specialized German class specifically to use Beilstein.

When I was in seminary, I had to translate the Gospel of John and part of the class we memorized John's Prologue, "En arche ein ho Logos, kai ho Logos eis pros ton Theon..."

At my particular parish, we use about 70% English, 30% Greek. My spoken Greek is passing while I can read it pretty easily. This is the music I work with:

Θεὸς Κύριος καὶ ἐπέφανεν ἡμῖν. Εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι Κυρίου.

God is the Lord, and He revealed Himself to us. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
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Nope.
All Bibles proclaim the same, Triune, God; same Saviour, same Spirit, same Gospel, same need to be born again. They all have the same teaching that if we are in Christ we are new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17, have every spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3, are God's children, Romans 8:16, John 1:12, are guaranteed an inheritance, through the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, Ephesians 1:14, cannot be separated from God's love, Romans 8:38-39, cannot be snatched out of God's hands, John 10:29. They teach that the Holy Spirit gives us gifts, 1 Corinthians 12, bears fruit in us, Galatians 5:21-22 and intercedes to God for us, Romans 8:27. They teach that Jesus was both God and man, was born, died for us, raised again, ascended, sent his Spirit to his church, has called his church to serve him and preach the Gospel, and will return again one day.

I am not new to the Bible. This is just wishful thinking. None of these verses you quote point blank teach the Trinity like 1 John 5:7 KJB. For there is a difference between verses implying the Trinity and one that actually teaches it. 1 John 5:7 KJB is the only one. It’s why you are not actually quoting the words of these verses.

You said:
Anything can affect a Christian's growth in the Lord; not reading, or studying, the Bible enough, for example - taking verses out of context, building a doctrine on only one verse, for example. Even arguing endlessly over words, or interpretations, could affect a Christian's growth in the Lord. But reading the NIV rather than the KJV in study and devotions? No.

Right, and your belief on your rejection of Divine Preservation is not based on the Bible.

In the Bible: We can see a pattern of God preserving copies of His Word, and not the original autographs.

(a) Moses destroyed the original 10 Commandments on tablets of stone (the original autograph) (Exodus 32:19), and yet a copy was perfectly made to replace it (Exodus 34:1-4).

(b) King Jehoiakim burns the scroll of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 36:22-23), but God had Jeremiah make another copy (Jeremiah 36:27-28).

(c) Proverbs 25:1 says, “These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out.” (Proverbs 25:1).​

In the New Testament, Philip heard the Ethiopian eunuch read from a manuscript of Isaiah.

“And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?” (Acts of the Apostles 8:30).​

Although Scripture does not specifically say this was a copy of Isaiah, and not the original autograph of Isaiah, logic dictates that the most plausible explanation is that the Ethiopian eunuch had a copy of a manuscript of Isaiah (and not the original). For the odds of him just happening to have the original would seem highly unlikely.

Philip calls this copy of Isaiah he possessed as Scripture.

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.” (Acts of the Apostles 8:35).

2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is given by inspiration of God.
So the copy of this Scripture was inspired by God.

So the belief of “OAO (Original Autograph Only) Proponent” that says that we need to look to the original autograph because it is perfect, and the copies are flawed and full of errors is unbiblical. Believers in God's Word can trust that God has preserved a copy of His Word for us today that is perfect (Which would be consistent in the way God operates involving the preservation of His Word). This then leads us to conclude that there must be a perfect Bible that we can find today.
 
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Nope.
All Bibles proclaim the same, Triune, God; same Saviour, same Spirit, same Gospel, same need to be born again. They all have the same teaching that if we are in Christ we are new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17, have every spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3, are God's children, Romans 8:16, John 1:12, are guaranteed an inheritance, through the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5, Ephesians 1:14, cannot be separated from God's love, Romans 8:38-39, cannot be snatched out of God's hands, John 10:29. They teach that the Holy Spirit gives us gifts, 1 Corinthians 12, bears fruit in us, Galatians 5:21-22 and intercedes to God for us, Romans 8:27. They teach that Jesus was both God and man, was born, died for us, raised again, ascended, sent his Spirit to his church, has called his church to serve him and preach the Gospel, and will return again one day.

Anything can affect a Christian's growth in the Lord; not reading, or studying, the Bible enough, for example - taking verses out of context, building a doctrine on only one verse, for example. Even arguing endlessly over words, or interpretations, could affect a Christian's growth in the Lord. But reading the NIV rather than the KJV in study and devotions? No.

A Side By Side Comparison With
the KJV vs. Modern Translations
Clearly Shows That They are Inferior:

A simple side by side comparison shows that the KJV is superior to the Modern Translations in regards to the deity of Christ, the blood atonement, God's Word, etc.

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Here are the sixteen whole verses that are omitted from the Bible (KJV):
  1. Matthew 17:21: "Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting."
  2. Matthew 18:11: "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."
  3. Matthew 23:14: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."
  4. Mark 7:16: "If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."
  5. Mark 9:44: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
  6. Mark 9:46: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
  7. Mark 11:26: "But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."
  8. Mark 15:28: "And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors."
  9. Luke 17:36: "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
  10. John 5:4: "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."
  11. Acts of the Apostles 8:37: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
  12. Acts of the Apostles 15:34: "Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still."
  13. Acts of the Apostles 24:7: "But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,"
  14. Acts of the Apostles 28:29: "And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves."
  15. Romans 16:24: "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
  16. 1 John 5:7 KJV: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
 
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