Is following the Bible possible?

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Living according to what Christ teaches is impossible without Him. I believe that under the law it’s impossible to be saved. Following The Word in the New Testament is also impossible without being born again. Even after being born again, I fail from time to time. However, I have an advocate with God my Heavenly Father through Christ my Lord. Thank God

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so those who are not under God's law and no obligation to refrain from sin, and thus have no need of salvation, while it is only those who are under God's law who can experience be saved from living in transgression of it by learning how to live in obedience to it through faith in Christ. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and obligated to obey it.

In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God, so again, all those who are born again children of God are under God's law and are obligated to obey it. A chip off the old block is someone who has the same nature or character as their father, and this is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his actions by living in obedience to God's law, and that is the sense that we are children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through our obedience to God's law, which is why those who do not obey it are not children of God.
 
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The commandments in the Bible are here to show us that it's impossible to keep them all. That impossibility has one purpose: to lead us to Christ.

"So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God." Roman 7:4

Nowhere does the Bible state that the commandments are here to show us that it is impossible to keep them all, but rather God said in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 that they are not too difficult for us to keep. God is righteous, so when we do what is righteous in obedience to God's law, we are growing in a relationship with him by gaining experiential knowledge of who He is, an who the Son is, because the Son is the exact expression of God's nature. So God's law leads us to Christ because it is His instructions for how to have a relationship with Christ, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can then reject it and go back to living in sin. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so the way to become unified by expressing his nature in accordance with Christ's example of walking in obedience to God's law, not by refusing to walk in the same way he walked. Likewise, the way to bear fruit for God is not by refusing to obey God's laws for how to bear fruit for Him. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying God's law, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, and it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:4-6 as Paul delighting in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and delighting in being held captive, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive. Verses that you interpret as speaking about the God's law should make sense for it to be a law that Paul delighted in obeying.
 
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So when God has said something and you think that Paul disagreed with God,
I don't think Paul ever disagrees with God, it is you that erroneously thinks Paul, called to be an apostle by Jesus Christ and the will of God, is in disagreement with God.
then you have a choice to make about which one has the greater authority and which one you are going to follow.
So many false presumptions. . .

Therein you err Biblically, because Scripture does not contradict itself. . .to follow Paul is to follow Christ and God, by whose will Paul was made an apostle (1 Corinthians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:1; Colossians 1:1, etc.)
However, the reality is that Galatians 3:10 says nothing about it being impossible for man to obey God's law in order to avoid its curse,
Contrare. . .read it again. . .it couldn't be more clear.

Galatians 3:10 - All who rely on observing the law are under a curse. (Galatians 3:10)
Translate: no one is able to obey the law according to God's requirements.

What part of that do you not understand?

Romans 3:20 - Therefore, no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

Not to mention it likewise being irrelevant to the point of discussion: being able to obey the law according to God's requirements, where the NT reality of Jesus Christ is:

1) the law was not given to make righteous, that having already been given by faith only since Abraham (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3),
2) the law was given only to reveal sin (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7),
3) no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by observing the law (Romans 3:20)
4) for all are under sin (Romans 3:9), there is no one righteous, not even one (Romans 3:10; Psalms 14:1-3, 53:1-30), all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)
and the reality of what is recorded about the history of the Israelites is that there were people who did obey God's law and did not come under its curse, such as in Joshua 22:1-3.
The reality is that you conveniently overlook the fact that Joshua 22:1-3 refers to Joshua's commands to the Gadites and Reubenites regarding taking possession of Canaan (Numbers 32:25, 29; Joshua 1:16, 18, 22:2) and does not refer to the Mosaic law.
I have never claimed that we are made righteous by obeying God's law.
That's good to know, but it sure looks like that to me in your above statement; i.e.,
the reality is that Galatians 3:10 says nothing about it being impossible for man to obey God's law in order to avoid its curse.
Even if someone managed to live in perfect obedience to it, then they still would not earn their righteousness by their obedience to it because it was never given as a means of doing that (Romans 4:4-5). In Romans 3:21-22, the Law and the Prophets testify that the righteousness of God comes through faith in Christ for all who believe, so this has always been the one and only way to be made righteous that the law testifies about.
Then why do you keep presenting a false conflict between Paul and God, as you do at the top of this post?
I completely agree that God's law was not given as a means of earning our righteousness and that the one and only way that there has ever been to become righteous is through faith. To describe God as being righteous is to describe Him as having a character trait that is expressed by taking actions that are righteous, and God's law is His instructions for how to express that character trait, not for how to earn it. For example, God's law reveals that helping the poor is a way to express God's righteousness, but no amount of helping the poor will ever cause someone to become righteous. So when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His law. Jesus expressed his righteousness through his actions by living in obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we live when we have received his righteousness.

I completely agree that righteousness comes from God only and have never claimed otherwise. In Ephesians 2:10, we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus to do good works, so while we do not earn our salvation by our works lest anyone who boast,
doing what is righteous in obedience to God's law is nevertheless an integral part of the gift of being saved from not doing what is righteous.
Keeping in mind what that law of God in the NT is. . .the law of Jesus in Matthew 22:37-40, which fulfills the whole law (Romans 13:8-10), and in the New Covenant is written on our hearts of flesh, not on tablets of stone or on parchment.

In the NT, we are not under the law of Moses (1 Corinthians 9:20), we are under the law of Christ, which is the law of God (1 Corinthians 9:21).
 
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You don’t have to obey all of them as commandments with a life or death sentence. They are meant as a guideline on how to live. .

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"
1 John 2:1 "These things I write that you sin not"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
Rom 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life"
Rev 14:12 "the saints keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
 
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Nowhere does the Bible state that the commandments are here to show us that it is impossible to keep them all, but rather God said in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 that they are not too difficult for us to keep.

Rom 8:4-11 says they are impossible for the unsaved lost-person to keep and that the saved saints only keep them by the power of God - the Holy Spirit.
 
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1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"
1 John 2:1 "These things I write that you sin not"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping the commandments of God"
Rom 6:23 "The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life"
Rev 14:12 "the saints keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"

Not the letter of the law but the spirit of the law. Repentance is necessary but it is not a commandment. Of the ten. All people everywhere to repent’.
 
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The OP reads "is following the bible possible"

(I'm tempted to say, "it depends on who is carrying it", but I won't. 8^)

Seriously, the Bible is written so that, with the help of the Holy Spirit (primarily) and others (pastors et al), we can understand and follow its guidance. I don't mean literally, since we don't live like they did 2,000 years ago), but that we become more Christ-like in our behavior.
 
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Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21)
Our salvation is from the wrath of God (Romans 5:9) which condemns all mankind (Romans 5:18).

Any equivalency you make from that statement above is not Biblically valid.
and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so those who are not under God's law and no obligation to refrain from sin, and thus have no need of salvation, while it is only those who are under God's law who can experience be saved from living in transgression of it by learning how to live in obedience to it through faith in Christ. However, God is sovereign, so we are all under His law and obligated to obey it.

In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God's law are not children of God, so again, all those who are born again children of God are under God's law and are obligated to obey it. A chip off the old block is someone who has the same nature or character as their father, and this is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God insofar as he is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his actions by living in obedience to God's law, and that is the sense that we are children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through our obedience to God's law, which is why those who do not obey it are not children of God.
 
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There are really only 10 ... and those are summed up into one.

Galatians 5:14
New Living Translation
For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Almost. . .

It's love of God and neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40).

Atheists love their neighbor, but they are not in the kingdom of God.
There are a lot of details of what Love (according to God is) ... God sets forth Love as a principle ... for the most part we humans see it as an emotion.

It's pretty basic .... If one Loves God they will do no harm to themselves ... nor to others.
 
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Our salvation is from the wrath of God (Romans 5:9) which condemns all mankind (Romans 5:18).

Any equivalency you make from that statement above is not Biblically valid.

Are you denying the truth of Matthew 1:21? We have been saved from the penalty of our sins (Ephesians 2:8) we are being saved from continuing to live in sin (Philippians 2:12), and we will be saved from God's wrath on the day of the Lord (Romans 5:9-10), so the fact that we will be saved from God's wrath does not negate that our salvation is also from sin.
 
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I don't think Paul ever disagrees with God, it is you that erroneously thinks Paul, called to be an apostle by Jesus Christ and the will of God, is in disagreement with God.

I do not think that Paul was in disagreement with God, which is why I don't interpret him as saying things that are in disagreement with what God has said. God's law can't both be not too difficult to obey and impossible to obey, so you are interpreting Paul as contradicting God.

So many false presumptions. . .

Therein you err Biblically, because Scripture does not contradict itself. . .to follow Paul is to follow Christ and God, by whose will Paul was made an apostle (1 Corinthians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:1; Ephesians 1:1; Colossians 1:1, etc.)

I agree that following Paul is following Christ and God, which is why you are wrong to interpret Paul in way that makes him out to be speaking against following Christ and God.

Contrare. . .read it again. . .it couldn't be more clear.

Galatians 3:10 - All who rely on observing the law are under a curse. (Galatians 3:10)
What part of that do you not understand?

Romans 3:20 - Therefore, no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.

I can cite where Paul spoke about a law that is not of faith (Galatians 3:10-12) and a law that our faith upholds (Romans 3:31), so in order to correctly understand Paul, we need to recognize that he spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God. For example, in Romans 3:27, he contrasted a law of works with the law of faith, so works of the law are a law of works, while our faith upholds the Law of God, so it is of faith, and he directly contrasted works of the law with the Law of God. Likewise, in Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin.

God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who isn't trustworthy, so to rely on God's law is to rely on God, while to deny that we should rely on God's law is to deny that we should rely on God. However, in Galatians 3:10-12, the problem was that they were relying on works of the law instead of relying on the Book of the Law and thus they were coming under the curse for not relying on the Book of the Law. Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Book of the Law, while no one who relies on works of the law will be justified because they are not of faith in God, unlike the Book of the Law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to it.

In Romans 3:21-22, the Law and the Prophets testify that the righteousness of God comes through faith in Christ, so this has always been the one and only way that there has ever been to become righteous, which the Law and the Prophets testify about, so the law was never given for the purpose of providing a means of becoming righteous, but that does not mean that we shouldn't rely on it for the purposes for which it was given.

Not to mention it likewise being irrelevant to the point of discussion: being able to obey the law according to God's requirements, where the NT reality of Jesus Christ is:

1) the law was not given to make righteous, that having already been given by faith only since Abraham (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:3),
2) the law was given only to reveal sin (Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7),
3) no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by observing the law (Romans 3:20)
4) Psalms 14:1-3, 53:1-30), all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)for all are under sin (Romans 3:9), there is no one righteous, not even one (Romans 3:10;

I can't figure out why you keep stating that the law was not given to make us righteous while I keep agreeing with you and have never stated otherwise. If you agree that the law was given to reveal sin and that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin, then you should agree that we should obey it.

The reality is that you conveniently overlook the fact of Joshua 22:1-3 referring to Joshua's commands to the Gadites and Reubenites regarding taking possession of Canaan (Numbers 32:25, 29; Joshua 1:16, 18) and is not referring to the Mosaic law.

Matthew 22:2 and said to them, “You have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you and have obeyed my voice in all that I have commanded you.

That verse is most definitely referring to the Mosaic Law.

That's good to know, but it sure looks like that to me in your above statement; i.e.,

the reality is that Galatians 3:10 says nothing about it being impossible for man to obey God's law in order to avoid its curse.

As you keep stating, God's law was never given to make us righteous, so regardless of the issue of whether or not we can obey the law, we can't become righteous by obeying it either way. Even if someone managed to live in perfect obedience to God's law, then they still wouldn't earn their righteousness by it because God's law was not given to make us righteous. That was never the reason for why we should obey it.

Then why do you keep presenting a false conflict between Paul and God, as you do at the top of this post?

God said we can obey it and you say that it is impossible to obey, which is in conflict with God, so I am not the one presenting them as being in conflict.

Keeping in mind what that law of God in the NT is. . .the law of Jesus in Matthew 22:37-40, which fulfills the whole law (Romans 13:8-10), and in the New Covenant is written on our hearts of flesh, not on tablets of stone or on parchment.

In the NT, we are not under the law of Moses (1 Corinthians 9:20), we are under the law of Christ, which is the law of God (1 Corinthians 9:21).

If we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, and so forth for all of the other laws that God has given, so the greatest two commandments are inclusive of all of the other commandments, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other laws hang on them. In 1 Corinthians 9:21, Paul said in a parallels statement that we are not outside the Law of God, but under the Law of Christ, so he equated the Law of God with the Law of Christ, and the Law of Moses is referred to as the Law of God in both the OT and the NT (Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12m Luke 2:22-23). Christ called for people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand and the Law of Moses is how they knew what sin is, and Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so he spent his ministry teaching how to obey it both by word and by example, and it wouldn't make sense for you to think that the Law of Christ was something other than what Christ spent his ministry teaching.
 
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Are you denying the truth of Matthew 1:21? We have been saved from the penalty of our sins (Ephesians 2:8) we are being saved from continuing to live in sin (Philippians 2:12), and we will be saved from God's wrath on the day of the Lord (Romans 5:9-10), so the fact that we will be saved from God's wrath does not negate that our salvation is also from sin.
Well said. . .
 
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Be humble, live with your wife in understanding way. Submit to your husband's. God is sovereign over all and will accomplish all his purpose. Don't be angry, walk in the spirit.


There are so many commandments in the Bible that its just not possible to follow them all so, why are they here?
What? The Spirit which dwells within you cannot be involved in sin, so you have the quench the Spirit to sin. Just quit quenching the Spirit.
 
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Be humble, live with your wife in understanding way. Submit to your husband's. God is sovereign over all and will accomplish all his purpose. Don't be angry, walk in the spirit.


There are so many commandments in the Bible that its just not possible to follow them all so, why are they here?

Many of them are not written to you.
 
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Many of them are not written to you.

God's commandments teach us about the nature of who He is, such as His righteous laws teaching us about His righteousness, so the issue whom the commandments were given by is much more important than whom they were given do. If we should do what is righteous, then we should follow any instructions that God has ever given for how to do that regardless of whom those instructions were given to.
 
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God's commandments teach us about the nature of who He is, such as His righteous laws teaching us about His righteousness, so the issue whom the commandments were given by is much more important than whom they were given do. If we should do what is righteous, then we should follow any instructions that God has ever given for how to do that regardless of whom those instructions were given to.

The entire Bible is not about you, ever since Genesis 12, its about God and Israel.

We only come into the picture from Romans to Philemon.
 
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Are you denying the truth of Matthew 1:21? We have been saved from the penalty of our sins (Ephesians 2:8) we are being saved from continuing to live in sin (Philippians 2:12), and we will be saved from God's wrath on the day of the Lord (Romans 5:9-10), so the fact that we will be saved from God's wrath does not negate that our salvation is also from sin.
No, I am not.
It is from the penalty of sin by Jesus paying our penalty for us,
and it is from the power of sin by the Holy Spirit indwelling us.
I do not think that Paul was in disagreement with God, which is why I don't interpret him as saying things that are in disagreement with what God has said. God's law can't both be not too difficult to obey and impossible to obey, so you are interpreting Paul as contradicting God.
Actually it is Paul, the apostle appointed by Jesus Christ and the will of God, who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally (Galatians 1:11-12), who says that
"all you rely on observing the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).

Those who rely on observing the law are keeping the law to the best of their ability, so why are they under a curse?
Because it is impossible for them to keep it according to God's requirements for obedience to it.
I agree that following Paul is following Christ and God, which is why you are wrong to interpret Paul in way that makes him out to be speaking against following Christ and God.

I can cite where Paul spoke about a law that is not of faith (Galatians 3:10-12) and a law that our faith upholds (Romans 3:31), so in order to correctly understand Paul, we need to recognize that he spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God. For example, in Romans 3:27, he contrasted a law of works with the law of faith, so works of the law are a law of works, while our faith upholds the Law of God, so it is of faith, and he directly contrasted works of the law with the Law of God. Likewise, in Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin.

God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who isn't trustworthy, so to rely on God's law is to rely on God, while to deny that we should rely on God's law is to deny that we should rely on God. However, in Galatians 3:10-12, the problem was that they were relying on works of the law instead of relying on the Book of the Law and thus they were coming under the curse for not relying on the Book of the Law. Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Book of the Law, while no one who relies on works of the law will be justified because they are not of faith in God, unlike the Book of the Law. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to it.

In Romans 3:21-22, the Law and the Prophets testify that the righteousness of God comes through faith in Christ, so this has always been the one and only way that there has ever been to become righteous, which the Law and the Prophets testify about, so
the law was never given for the purpose of providing a means of becoming righteous, but that does not mean that we shouldn't rely on it for the purposes for which it was given.
It does mean that the NT law is the law of Christ (Matthew 22:37-30), in which the law of Moses is fulfilled (Romans 13:8-10). Paul states that he is not under the law (1 Corinthians 9:20), but that he is under the law of Christ, which is the law of God (1 Corinthians 9:21).
I can't figure out why you keep stating that the law was not given to make us righteous while I keep agreeing with you and have never stated otherwise.
On this we agree.
If you agree that the law was given to reveal sin and that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin, then you should agree that we should obey it.
And herein is the problem: you transition into "associative" linking of Scripture to make things equal which are not, rather than Scripture's actual linking of what is equal.

In the NT, Scripture links the NT law with Jesus law (Matthew 22:37-40), while you use the word "law" to associate the NT law (of Jesus) with the OT Mosaic law, thereby linking the OT Mosaic law with Jesus' NT law as equivalent and, therefore, to be obeyed as is Jesus' NT law. That is not what the NT presents.
You have thereby switched NT teaching into your personal teaching, which is contrary to NT teaching.
Joshua 22:2 and said to them, “You have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you and have obeyed my voice in all that I have commanded you.

That verse is most definitely referring to the Mosaic Law.
Actually, it is referring to Moses' commands in Numbers 32:20-27, and not to the Mosaic Law.
As you keep stating, God's law was never given to make us righteous, so regardless of the issue of whether or not we can obey the law, we can't become righteous by obeying it either way. Even if someone managed to live in perfect obedience to God's law, then they still wouldn't earn their righteousness by it because God's law was not given to make us righteous. That was never the reason for why we should obey it.
God said we can obey it and you say that it is impossible to obey, which is in conflict with God, so I am not the one presenting them as being in conflict.
Addressed above.
If we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, kidnapping, and so forth for all of the other laws that God has given, so the greatest two commandments are inclusive of all of the other commandments, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other laws hang on them.
n 1 Corinthians 9:21, Paul said in a parallels statement that we are not outside the Law of God, but under the Law of Christ, so he equated the Law of God with the Law of Christ, and the Law of Moses is referred to as the Law of God
Actually he said the law of God is the law of Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

And there you go again with your "associative" linking of "law" to make things equal which the NT does not present as equal; i.e., the law of Christ and the law of Moses, which was abolished on the cross (Ephesians 2:15), changed because the priesthood which established/administered it was changed (Hebrews 7:12), and was set aside (Hebrews 7:18).
in both the OT and the NT (Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12m Luke 2:22-23). Christ called for people to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand and the Law of Moses is how they knew what sin is, and Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so he spent his ministry teaching how to obey it both by word and by example, and it wouldn't make sense for you to think that the Law of Christ was something other than what Christ spent his ministry teaching.
It's not about making sense to you, it's about what the NT teaches, and it teaches that the law of Christ is love of God and love of neighbor (Matthew 22:37-40), which fulfills the whole law (Romans 13:8-10), that the law of Moses is abolished and set aside, and that we are not under the law (1 Corinthians 9:20), but are under the law of Christ, which is the law of God (1 Corinthians 9:21).
 
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