Christian Universalism. What's not to like?

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Eternal damnation isn't what my church teaches Heaven and hell are not understood as physical places in which we are sentenced for all eternity, but an actual state of being when we encounter the Almighty God of Consuming Fire. God’s loving and fiery presence either causes us to withdraw within ourselves or to reach out and be consumed and healed.

Does your church teach that this state of "withdrawing within ourselves" is a permanent one or can we change our mind as we experience God more and more until we finally also "reach out and be consumed and healed"?

If it is a permanent state, i.e. a condition you can't get out of even if you want to, why do you say that your church does not teach eternal damnation?
 
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I guess I'm different there and believe in trying to reduce the temperature in this world as well as the next!

At the risk of digressing even further from the OP, the geoengineering elephant in the sky would be the prime suspect there, i.e. localised weather manipulation of climate events including droughts, floods, fires, cyclones and so on. Weather warfare on civilian populations and using the atmosphere as a test lab. As for a general claim to increasing temperatures, God knows. If you torture the data enough, it will say anything you want.
 
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They simply can not accept the Word of God.
You capitalized the "W" which means that you're talking about Christ. You cannot accuse people of not accepting Christ is these Forums. It is not only inappropriate, it is also against Forum rules. You can be reported for the claim that someone is not a Christian.

But if you were talking about the Bible, the word of God with a small "w" then you really mean that they simply cannot accept your interpretation of the Bible.

You should be more precise in your expression.
 
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You capitalized the "W" which means that you're talking about Christ. You cannot accuse people of not accepting Christ is these Forums. It is not only inappropriate, it is also against Forum rules. You can be reported for the claim that someone is not a Christian.

But if you were talking about the Bible, the word of God with a small "w" then you really mean that they simply cannot accept your interpretation of the Bible.

You should be more precise in your expression.

Agreed. I did take @Major1 as meaning Christ because of the "W" but I gave him the benefit of the doubt and didn't report him because I suspect he's not aware of the distinction. If he did intend to say that Christian universalists don't believe in Christ though then he ought to have the courage to reply clearly saying so.
 
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Anyway she reported me to the church mafioso and at the end of the following session the minister came in and told the group, and me - I hadn't been informed - that this would be my last time with them. There was a big protest and I was allowed back in but I had to undergo an inquisition where my defence was that everything I had said about hell was what I had learned from Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury and so head of the Anglican church I was in! It was honestly like being in the school playground.
You're in good company. The Pope himself was criticized for telling a child that his deceased father could be saved.
 
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You're in good company. The Pope himself was criticized for telling a child that his deceased father could be saved.

Yes, I read about that. What a great witness to the world that was.
 
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Salvation is selective and specific. Let’s examine the selective nature of salvation. Salvation is specifically limited to:

those who are the elect (Matthew 24:31; 2 Timothy 2:10, 19; Titus 1:1-3; 1 Peter 1:1-3), chosen since before the beginning of the world (Ephesians 1:3-12), and predestined for salvation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; 1 Peter 2:7-9)
those who are chosen (Matthew 22:14; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4-10; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-17; James 2:5; Revelation 17:14)
those who are appointed to eternal life (Acts 13:48)
You're probably not a Calvinist. So, who are the elect? What percentage of those who lived from Adam to the 2nd coming of Christ are elect? I realize that you don't have an exact answer but are they around 10%, 50% or 90%.
 
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Seems you dont understand the passage if you accept they position.

Passages can have more than one interpretation. I consider UR interpretations I've examined as plausible.
 
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Sounds like you're an Australian Republican :).

I believe in the Kingdom of God, which would be a theocracy. We're called to be not ignorant of satan's devices, by the grace of God. Be vigilant my friend, for the devil stalketh as a lion, seeking whom he may devour.
 
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Salvation is selective and specific. Let’s examine the selective nature of salvation. Salvation is specifically limited to:

those who are the elect (Matthew 24:31; 2 Timothy 2:10, 19; Titus 1:1-3; 1 Peter 1:1-3), chosen since before the beginning of the world (Ephesians 1:3-12), and predestined for salvation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; 1 Peter 2:7-9)
those who are chosen (Matthew 22:14; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4-10; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-17; James 2:5; Revelation 17:14)
those who are appointed to eternal life (Acts 13:48)
those who heard the word of salvation and believed (John 5:24; Ephesians 1:13)
those who believe (Luke 18:14; John 1:11-13; 3:16, 18; 36; 11:25-26; Romans 10:11; Acts 10:43; Romans 1:16; 3:22-26; 1 Timothy 1:16; Hebrews 3:19; 6:12; 11:1-40; 1 Peter 1:5; 2:6; 1 John 5:5; etc.)
those on whom God has mercy (Romans 9:18)
those whom God calls to himself (Acts 2:39; Romans 1:5-6; 8:30; Hebrews 9:15; Revelation 17:14)
those to whom it is granted by God (2 Peter 1:3-4)
those who are known by Jesus (Matthew 7:23)
those for whom a place has been prepared (Matthew 20:23; Mark 10:40)
those to whom the truth is revealed (Luke 10:21-24)
those who receive Him (John 1:12; Revelation 3:20-21)
those who are born again (John 3:4-8; 1 Peter 1:3)
those to whom Jesus gives life (John 5:21)
those whose eyes have not been blinded by God (John 12:39-40) or their minds hardened (2 Corinthians 3:14-18)
those who do not reject salvation (Hebrews 2:3) or harden their hearts (Hebrews 3:7-15)
those who were given to Jesus (John 17:2, 6, 9, 10, 24)
those who call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21; Romans10:13)
those who received the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:11)
those who persevere in the faith (Matthew 10:22; Romans 11:17-24; 1 Corinthians 15:1-2; Colossians 1:21-23; 2 Timothy 2:12; Hebrews 3:14)
those whose names are in the “book of life” (Philippians 4:3; Revelation 13:8-9; 17:8; 20:15)
those who are not deluded and thus condemned (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12)
those who confess Jesus (Romans 10:9; 1 John 4:15)
those who have the Son (1 John 5:10-12)
those who do not deny Christ and are thus not designated for condemnation (Jude 4,5)
those who are faithful (Revelation 2:10; 17:14)
those who repent (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 17:30-31; 1 John 1:9)
those who love God (Deuteronomy 7:9; Romans 8:28; James 2:5)
those who love others (1 Corinthians 13:2-3; Galatians 5:6; 1 John 4:12, 20, 21)
those who enter through the narrow way (Matthew 7:12-14)
those who do not deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of truth (Hebrews 10:26-27)
those who have not rejected God the Father (Romans 1:18-32), God the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31-32; Mark 3:28-29), or God the Son (John 3:36; John 8:24)
those who are obedient (Deuteronomy 7:9; 9:16-18; Nehemiah 1:5; Psalm 25:10; 103; 11-19; Ezekiel 18; Matthew 5:19-20; 6:19-21; 7:16-27; 10:38; 12:36-37; 12:50; 13:36-43; 16:25-27; 18:23-35; 25:31-46; Mark 8:34-35; Luke 6:46-49; 10:25-37; 11:28; John 5:29; 8:51; 14:21-24; 15:1-6, 10, 14; Acts 5:32; Romans 1:18; 2:1-16; 6:1-23; 8:13; 14:17-18; 1 Corinthians 3:13-15; 6:9-11; 7:19; 9:24-27; Galatians 5:19-21; 6:7-9; Ephesians 5:3-14; Philippians 2:12-18; 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9; 2:10; 1 Timothy 4:16; 2 Timothy 2:21-22; Titus 1:16; Hebrews 3:6-18; 10:36; 12:14-17; James 1:12-15; 2:17-26; 1 Peter 1:22; 2:1-2; 1 Peter 4:17-19; 2 Peter 1:10-11; 1 John 1:6-7; 1 John 2:29; 3:16-24; 5:2-3; Jude 1:7; Revelation 2:2-11; 3:8-12; 21:5-9, 27; 22:14-19)
God isn't contradictory hes simple and incomprehensible.
But it already is even with condemnation.
Eternal damnation isn't what my church teaches Heaven and hell are not understood as physical places in which we are sentenced for all eternity, but an actual state of being when we encounter the Almighty God of Consuming Fire. God’s loving and fiery presence either causes us to withdraw within ourselves or to reach out and be consumed and healed.

Because its heresy and leads people astray and false hope which the bible doesn't defend.
God is a god of love (John 3:16; 1 John 4:8; etc.). But God hates sin and indeed throughout the Bible we see that God is also a god of wrath (Psalm 2:4-6, 5:4-6, 7:11, 11:5, 89:46, 90:7-11; Proverbs 6:16-19, 12:22, Ezekiel 36:16-21; Hosea 5:10, 9:15; Nahum 1:2-6; Zephaniah 3:6-8; Malachi 1:3; Matthew 21:40-45, 23:29-39; John 3:36; Romans 1:18, 9:22-24; 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; Hebrews 10:30-31). He is not simply a grandfatherly figure in the sky that gives out candy. While some may hope for a different God than the God of the Bible, God’s nature is one of justice. We must infer that for God to forgive, without repentance and faith before God Almighty, the heinous crimes of Hitler or ISIS, or serial rapists, or child molesters—is contrary to God’s nature—and indeed, contrary to common sense.
I dont think thats the case people who holds that position probably assert that works in spirit is proof of grace in Christ.

Not even everyone who calls Jesus “Lord” enters the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21; James 2:19).Also God said that salvation are for his elect.
Thats pride anyone who says that are equal to the pharsees.

not a group all who arent Gods elect wont see salvation.

I agree pride is wrong but to say all will be saved would diminish the teachings of Jesus and the Old Testament in general.


Not seeing salvation doesn't make God a monster. Quite the opposite.

That's a whole LOT of boxes to check off to be saved. How many do you suppose get a firm grip on each one? Very few, I'm sure. Happily, our salvation comes from God, not from ourselves.
 
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I believe in the Kingdom of God, which would be a theocracy. We're called to be not ignorant of satan's devices, by the grace of God. Be vigilant my friend, for the devil stalketh as a lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Have you ever read that verse and thought that it implies that there are those who he may NOT devour?
 
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Passages can have more than one interpretation. I consider UR interpretations I've examined as plausible.
I wasn't insulting you I basically was saying if they position is biblical than it would only break logic I apologise.
 
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I wasn't insulting you I basically was saying if they position is biblical than it would only break logic I apologise.

Care to elaborate? In what way does the restoration of all, God's desire and want, "break logic"?
 
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Care to elaborate? In what way does the restoration of all, God's desire and want, "break logic"?
If all are saved than God desired for them to be saved wouldn't matter and the election wouldst be for those who are in Christ but for those who dont follow Christ.
 
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That's a whole LOT of boxes to check off to be saved. How many do you suppose get a firm grip on each one? Very few, I'm sure. Happily, our salvation comes from God, not from ourselves.
I know our salvation comes from God you must be born again to enter the kingdom John 3:5 and Mark 16:16.
 
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If all are saved than God desired for them to be saved wouldn't matter and the election wouldst be for those who are in Christ but for those who dont follow Christ.

Not sure I follow you - God's desire that all will be saved doesn't matter? Let's take a step back... Do you agree or disagree that God desires all to be saved?
 
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