Schools providing sexually explicit material to minors

Do you support the dissemination of sexually explicit materials to minor children?

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You are operating under the assumption that "Just say no" and "Don't have sex!" means people are going to do drugs or have sex less. That doesn't seem to be the case. "Just say no" was a failure (including programs like DARE). "Just Don't have sex!" also doesn't work.

Can't you even say how they supposedly don't work?

For example, how does not having sex result in a single pregnancy?

Alternatively, explain how exchanging needles prevents someone from doing drugs.
 
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No, that's not the intent. The intent of needle exchange programs is to minimize the risk of spreading diseases that are passed via shared needles (like HIV and Hep-C). Studies have shown that needle exchange programs are effective at this goal while not causing an increase in drug usage. IIRC other studies have shown it also helps people to get treatment for addiction because it puts providers in more direct contact with users, where they can push for treatment.

ETA: from my previous link from the CDC:

What you're talking about here is preventing spread of disease by people sharing needles, but not about how to prevent illegal drug use.
 
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And here you are missing the point. The point is, people still take drugs and had no clear way off of drugs until needle exchange programs brought them in so they could find out about programs to get off drugs.

Then the idea is to get them on treatment programs, which is to do what? To get them to stop using the drugs!

You can tell people to say no all you want, that didn't stop the pain pill epidemic or marijuana or cocaine or etc. Figuring out why people are taking these drugs and dealing with them helps more. Cutting them off will just keep them on the drugs.

Cutting them off keeps them on drugs? Does that work for overeating as well--cutting off someone's food source will keep them overeating?

Same with sex, hormones are going to drive people to have sex, period. How they have sex and how safe is all dependent on education and the tools they have. If they just get told, "Don't have sex." we know that doesn't work. About 50% will still have sex, the same in the crowd that gets sex ed. It doesn't matter if they get sex ed or not, they will still have sex. So it is better, IMHO, that they get sex ed to reduce pregnancies.

The sex drive can be dealt with in ways other than to have sex with someone.
 
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the first problem with this claim is that only students are allowed to check out books from any FairFax Va public school Ref: Fox News Nov 8 2021

The woman's child could have checked it out to show it to her mother.
 
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Unfortunately the answer is that it depends upon the age and the purpose of the material. I wouldn’t want things that are really inappropriate content in school libraries. But sexually explicit could include age appropriate sex education. Not to mention the posting earlier in this thread showing a picture of someone talking about their feelings of what is now called gender dysphoria. It wasn’t sexually explicit at all. It was obviously part of a story. Without seeing the rest, and knowing how it was used in the school it’s hard to say much. But by high school, kids should be exposed to controversial ideas. I certainly was in the good old days.

I was in high school in the 1960s. During that period the civil rights movement was controversial. One class had us read a book by a radical black activist. I don’t recall which one. That was completely appropriate. For all their talk about cancel culture, conservatives certainly seem to be practicing it. Are high schoolers such snowflakes that they need to be protected from anything that would make them uncomfortable, as some laws are proposing?

A lot of young adult literature includes references to sex. There’s a difference between literature dealing realistically with the lives of kids and inappropriate contentography. I’d hope schools could tell the difference. If not, some adjustment is needed. But the attacks on schools sound like the attacks on Judy Blume in previous generations.
 
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What you're talking about here is preventing spread of disease by people sharing needles, but not about how to prevent illegal drug use.
Which is the point of the needle exchange programs. Which they do well without increasing drug usage or crime. In fact, as a secondary goal it does seem to help decrease usage some as indicated in my previous link

Can't you even say how they supposedly don't work?

Study after study has shown that kids who have gone through abstinence only education are just as likely to have had premarital sex by age 18 as kids who went through comprehensive sex ed. The downside here is that the kids with abstinence only education are significantly less likely to use protection, and IIRC, kids with comprehensive sex ed tend to wait about a year longer before having sex for the first time. IIRC, as abstinence only ed has gotten phased out, the average age of first sexual experience has gone up. Now, of course, that doesn't mean causation, but it does go against the idea "just don't do it!" works.

For example, how does not having sex result in a single pregnancy?
Yes, absolutely, not having sex won't result in pregnancy. That's not in discussion. What is in discussion is how do you get someone to not have sex? Telling them "JUST DON'T DO IT!" doesn't work because they WILL DO IT ANYWAY.
 
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Can't you even say how they supposedly don't work?

Easy -- simply telling someone "don't do that!" does not insure that they don't, in fact, do that.

Your own Bible attests to this -- it's right there in the beginning -- and still you haven't learned.
 
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When I was in high school, we also read some radical books in class, including "The Communist Manifesto" by good old Karl Marx, as well as George Orwell's "1984" and although 1984 did have a few sexual encounters, none were explicit or inappropriate contentographic and I don't recall that Marx's Manifesto had any depictions of sex in it at all.

But nowadays, we're to treat depictions and descriptions of oral sex (with pictures!) as "normal" for children even as young as elementary age, and graphic sexual indoctrination and delusions of transgenderism, transhumanism, and even the acceptance of "minor attracted people" (pedophilia) as the societal norms in all the graphic, sexual detail that is pushed on young kids. I saw a poll just the other day that 39% of people between 18 and 24 self-identified themselves as LGBTQUERTY+++.

I used to laugh at the idea of "they are coming for your children" because only just a few years ago, it was still primarily arguments over sexual orientation (which is still not much of concern to me outside of all the radical "pride" stuff) but what has been going on in just the past 5 years at most shows that they most obviously and very blatantly ARE coming for your children. Not so much the LGBs (who are also under attack) but the TQ+++++'s.

Go see some of the recent videos and documentaries of parents proudly parading around their "trans-identified" children who are far too young to have any clue about anything. It's abusive to put it mildly.

Parents beware. See what's going on in your schools and check the libraries and classrooms and everything else to make sure your kids aren't going to be indoctrinated away from the values and ethics that you are trying to teach them. It's not every school, but make sure it's not your school, and if it is, do what you can to elect school boards and other officials that will bring it back to real education rather than indoctrination.
 
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So does sexual education--particularly dispensing condoms-- acknowledge the reason why kids have early sex and try to fix those issues?

No, it is acknowledged they are going to have sex, no matter what you tell them. It is a biological drive that is hard to stop, so while you can tell them it is bad until you are blue in your face, might as well give the ones that decide to have it some condoms.

Because I haven't heard any responsible people argue that early sex is beneficial...particularly not for young girls.

While I don't think older people would argue that, for teens, it is a social mechanism that is biologically wired into them. Stopping it would require either locking the sexes away from each other or giving them drugs to limit their sex drive.

I think history shows that neither of those would work.
 
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When I was in high school, we also read some radical books in class, including "The Communist Manifesto" by good old Karl Marx, as well as George Orwell's "1984" and although 1984 did have a few sexual encounters, none were explicit or inappropriate contentographic and I don't recall that Marx's Manifesto had any depictions of sex in it at all.

But nowadays, we're to treat depictions and descriptions of oral sex (with pictures!) as "normal" for children even as young as elementary age, and graphic sexual indoctrination and delusions of transgenderism, transhumanism, and even the acceptance of "minor attracted people" (pedophilia) as the societal norms in all the graphic, sexual detail that is pushed on young kids. I saw a poll just the other day that 39% of people between 18 and 24 self-identified themselves as LGBTQUERTY+++.

I used to laugh at the idea of "they are coming for your children" because only just a few years ago, it was still primarily arguments over sexual orientation (which is still not much of concern to me outside of all the radical "pride" stuff) but what has been going on in just the past 5 years at most shows that they most obviously and very blatantly ARE coming for your children. Not so much the LGBs (who are also under attack) but the TQ+++++'s.

Go see some of the recent videos and documentaries of parents proudly parading around their "trans-identified" children who are far too young to have any clue about anything. It's abusive to put it mildly.

Parents beware. See what's going on in your schools and check the libraries and classrooms and everything else to make sure your kids aren't going to be indoctrinated away from the values and ethics that you are trying to teach them. It's not every school, but make sure it's not your school, and if it is, do what you can to elect school boards and other officials that will bring it back to real education rather than indoctrination.

If it's not enough that they include questionable materials for children in the schools, they also take the kids out of the schools to even more questionable locations: After outrage over field trip to gay bar and grill, Florida town rallies to spread acceptance
 
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I don't think a school should visit a bar and grill. That doesn't sound very educational.

Going to a straight bar might educate the kids about where Daddy goes when Mommy is gettin' all up in his business and won't let him watch the game.
 
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But nowadays, we're to treat depictions and descriptions of oral sex (with pictures!) as "normal" for children even as young as elementary age, and graphic sexual indoctrination and delusions of transgenderism, transhumanism, and even the acceptance of "minor attracted people" (pedophilia) as the societal norms in all the graphic, sexual detail that is pushed on young kids. I saw a poll just the other day that 39% of people between 18 and 24 self-identified themselves as LGBTQUERTY+++.
other than illustrate your own petty personal prejudice regarding that minority what does this have to do with books libraries and claims of inappropriate contentography?
 
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Do you attend that school, or work there?
directs you to post #5
The irate mother blasting the Virginia school board with the book "Lawn Boy" a book depicting sexual acts between an was holding the book Lawn Boy by Jonathan Evison. However the book available that the public school library was "Lawn Boy by Gary Paulson which is a book about a 12 year old boy who gets a gift of an old lawnmower and starts his own business mowing laws.


and post #118 Which you personally responded to....
And did you know you can access the library catalog of any of the Fairfax county libraries including the schools' libraries and you will find that LawnBoy by Jonathan Evison is not in any of the school libraries in Farifax Va. but LawnBoy by Gary Paulson is in the schools.
 
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I don't think a school should visit a bar and grill. That doesn't sound very educational.
according to the article Rosie's is a restaurant that happens to be gay owned not a gay bar and the purpose of the field trip and to other operating business is for job education and the managing of a small business.
 
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