John's Revelation

keras said:

I do agree that no unbelievers will go into the Millennium.

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Scripture indicates that believers will all be changed and have immortal bodies when Christ returns at the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:50-54), so that doesn't leave any mortals to populate a supposed earthly millennial kingdom. Paul said that mortal flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 15:50), but you have mortal flesh and blood believers inheriting the kingdom, which contradicts what Paul taught.

You are probably the only Premil in the world who believes that 1 Cor 15:50-56 happens after the thousand years. Congratulations on having a belief all to yourself.

Revelation 21:1 plainly states when the NH, NE will come. We will look forward to it, now and during the thousand years of the reign of King Jesus.

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You didn't answer my question.

Please tell me, what is the promise that Peter references in the following verse that, when kept and fulfilled, will result in a new heaven and new earth?

2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

DavidPT said:

The type of work I do requires knowing how to use a measuring tape properly. With that in mind...

Numbers 35:4 And the suburbs of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, shall reach from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about.
35 And ye shall measure from without the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits; and the city shall be in the midst: this shall be to them the suburbs of the cities.


If a thousand can also mean two thousand, why does verse 4 say a thousand cubits, and verse 5 say two thousand cubits? Why aren't two thousand cubits the same as a thousand cubits? After all, don't Amils insist that two thousand years, for example, is the same amount as a thousand years? The reason I mentioned a measuring tape and using it properly, imagine applying Amil's logic involving a thousand to that of Numbers 35:4. Imagine trying to figure out how many cubits a thousand are meaning when a thousand means any amount other than a thousand.

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What in the world are you talking about here? It seems like you're thinking that I said the term "thousand" is always used figuratively in scripture. Is that true? If so, I never said such a thing. If that isn't what you were thinking, then I have no idea why you said what you did here.

Your comparison is nonsensical.

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Why? I used the same type of argument you're using regarding numbers in front of years except I used it in relation to generations instead of years. So, if my comparison is nonsensical, then your argument is nonsensical as well.

It wouldn't be the same as if you argued in that manner. You would not be arguing facts. To argue, that when a number is followed by years, it is interpreted in the literal sense every time, that is to argue with facts, unless you can provide a verse or 2 where a number is followed be years, and that it doesn't mean the literal amount specified. You have hundreds of verses to choose from. Pick one then prove that this is not true. But if this is true, why wouldn't it still be true when the number is a thousand? Is thousand not a number also?

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Do you even read everything I say or not? I'm convinced that you don't. If your argument is valid, then why can't I make the same argument regarding the term "generations" when it's preceded by a number? Every time the word "generations" is preceded by a number it's a literal number. Except in the case when it refers to "a thousand generations". So, if there can be an exception in that case, then why not in the case of when a number is followed by years as well?

Timtofly said:

Paul says we are to take up our cross daily. Since that is figurative, then Jesus on a Cross could just be a figurative event?

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Of course not, you silly goose. That is not a valid comparison to what I was saying at all. As usual, you did not get my point. We have to interpret any given scripture in context based on the type of language being used.

How can your argument hold water that way?

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I didn't make an argument stating that a term has to always be used figuratively or always literally, so what is your point here?

Timtofly said:

The fire is the point of cleaning up this earth. Yet Satan is still given 42 months after all the destruction. Humans will still be living in sin up until Armageddon. Then all things will be made new for the 1000 years. Did America start on July 4th 1776, or was there a lot of blood shed before and after that date, before independence was won?

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You think mortal humans will still be living on the earth even after it's burned up? That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh.

Spiritual Jew said:

You think mortal humans will still be living on the earth even after it's burned up? That's a good one. Thanks for the laugh.

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The fire which the Lord will send to destroy His enemies, on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, will not destroy everyone and everything.

It should be obvious to everyone on earth with access to news information that some kind of cataclysmic event will probably occur in the near future. The lessons of history, over population, natural disasters and the preparedness of nations for war are all dire warning signs for us. But we who study the Bible can, and should know what the prophets tell us about the end of this age. Amos 3:7

The Book of Revelation tells us about a sequence of terrible events called the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements and we note that the Sixth Seal is referred to as ‘the great Day of the Lord’s wrath’.
But many prophesies show how it will mostly affect just the Middle East region. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 12:14, +

Therefore, the Sixth Seal is the event that the Lord intends to use in order to punish the nations, who at present conspire to annihilate Israel. Their attack and its consequences are prophesied in Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12. Prophecies that parallel the Sixth Seal are; Isaiah 34:4 ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, Isaiah 2:21 ‘hide in caves, etc’, Zeph.1:14 ‘The Day of the Lords wrath, a Day of doom and disaster’, then in Amos 1 – it says how the Lord will send fire to destroy the Ishmaelite peoples [those mentioned in Psalm 83] for all their crimes. There are over 70 verses in the Bible that speak of a forthcoming fire judgement and most of them state clearly that it is the Lord Himself who instigates this fire. Joel 1:15 & 19 ‘The Day of the Lord comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty and fire has consumed the trees and pastures.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously, You traverse the earth, in anger, You trample on the nations.

Isa. 66:15-16 The Lord will judge with fire....He will test all mankind, many will be slain.

How He will do this, is told to us in Isaiah 30:26-30 where it is undeniably written about ‘a devouring fire, from the Lord Himself’, that is caused by ‘the sun shining seven times stronger’. This can only be a Coronal Mass Ejection; something that the earth has experienced in the past and is expected to happen again, that can have worldwide devastating consequences - a seemingly natural occurrence that will maintain the hidden-ness of the Lord. With this scenario in mind, many other prophecies make sense, passages like Ezekiel 20:47-48, about a fire in the Land, kindled by the Lord, and 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, where Peter says: ‘The Day of the Lord will come like a thief, the Day the heavens disappear and flames bring all the earth to judgement’. Psalms 18:7-15

keras said:

The fire which the Lord will send to destroy His enemies, on His terrible Day of fiery wrath, will not destroy everyone and everything.

It should be obvious to everyone on earth with access to news information that some kind of cataclysmic event will probably occur in the near future. The lessons of history, over population, natural disasters and the preparedness of nations for war are all dire warning signs for us. But we who study the Bible can, and should know what the prophets tell us about the end of this age. Amos 3:7

The Book of Revelation tells us about a sequence of terrible events called the Seal, Trumpet and Bowl judgements and we note that the Sixth Seal is referred to as ‘the great Day of the Lord’s wrath’.
But many prophesies show how it will mostly affect just the Middle East region. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 12:14, +

Therefore, the Sixth Seal is the event that the Lord intends to use in order to punish the nations, who at present conspire to annihilate Israel. Their attack and its consequences are prophesied in Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12. Prophecies that parallel the Sixth Seal are; Isaiah 34:4 ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, Isaiah 2:21 ‘hide in caves, etc’, Zeph.1:14 ‘The Day of the Lords wrath, a Day of doom and disaster’, then in Amos 1 – it says how the Lord will send fire to destroy the Ishmaelite peoples [those mentioned in Psalm 83] for all their crimes. There are over 70 verses in the Bible that speak of a forthcoming fire judgement and most of them state clearly that it is the Lord Himself who instigates this fire. Joel 1:15 & 19 ‘The Day of the Lord comes, a mighty destruction from the Almighty and fire has consumed the trees and pastures.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously, You traverse the earth, in anger, You trample on the nations.

Isa. 66:15-16 The Lord will judge with fire....He will test all mankind, many will be slain.

How He will do this, is told to us in Isaiah 30:26-30 where it is undeniably written about ‘a devouring fire, from the Lord Himself’, that is caused by ‘the sun shining seven times stronger’. This can only be a Coronal Mass Ejection; something that the earth has experienced in the past and is expected to happen again, that can have worldwide devastating consequences - a seemingly natural occurrence that will maintain the hidden-ness of the Lord. With this scenario in mind, many other prophecies make sense, passages like Ezekiel 20:47-48, about a fire in the Land, kindled by the Lord, and 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, where Peter says: ‘The Day of the Lord will come like a thief, the Day the heavens disappear and flames bring all the earth to judgement’. Psalms 18:7-15

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You ignore 2 Peter 3:13 which indicates that what will result from what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12, which will happen at His return, is the new heavens and new earth. It is ludicrous to think that mortals will still be alive after what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 occurs.

Peter also made it clear in 2 Peter 3:13 that the way in which the promise of Christ's second coming (return) will be kept is by way of the new heavens and new earth being ushered, not by way of an earthly millennial kingdom. So, your interpretation of all these other passages contradicts what Peter taught in 2 Peter 3:10-13. We should trust that Peter knew what he was talking about.

Spiritual Jew said:

We should trust that Peter knew what he was talking about.

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But you don't.
2 Peter 3, is a sequence of events; commencing with the Sixth Seal, verses 7 and 10, then he mentions the promise of the NH, NE, which we know from Revelation 21:1-7, does not come until after the Millennium.
The Return of Jesus isn't mentioned by 2 Peter 3.

Spiritual Jew said:

Of course not, you silly goose. That is not a valid comparison to what I was saying at all. As usual, you did not get my point. We have to interpret any given scripture in context based on the type of language being used.

I didn't make an argument stating that a term has to always be used figuratively or always literally, so what is your point here?

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Of course you did. You claim 1000 used in Revelation 20 has to be symbolic because many other uses of 1000 in Scripture is symbolic. The exact same argument.

eclipsenow said:

Oh, and until you can show how every single one of the 1000 verses I quoted from the Old Testament is LITERAL - they are not homilies, but actual live examples of Hebrew metaphors that make profound theological points. Too bad you always miss this

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Actually you only quoted a handful of verses containing the phrase one thousand.

There 395 such verses in the bible.

But only two having the phrase one thousand years.

Really, I don't understand why you continue. Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37 are clear that when Jesus returns it is not going to be the destruction of this world.

In Acts 15:16, when Jesus returns (after the time of the gentiles) he is going to rebuild the tabernacle of David, the place where David lived. Not destroy the world.

Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Douggg said:

Actually you only quoted a handful of verses containing the phrase one thousand.

There 395 such verses in the bible.

But only two having the phrase one thousand years.

Really, I don't understand why you continue. Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37 are clear that when Jesus returns it is not going to be the destruction of this world.

In Acts 15:16, when Jesus returns (after the time of the gentiles) he is going to rebuild the tabernacle of David, the place where David lived. Not destroy the world.

Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

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I don't deny that there are many other verses that contain the word 'thousand' in them. Like a LITERAL counting of the census, or a LITERAL counting of the army. So the word 1000 is usually surrounded by other numbers - like 'about four thousand' or whatever. That's when it is literal.

But on its own? Oh my oh my - that's when it shines as a completely symbolic thing, doesn't it? Which I really don't understand why you continue to deny it.

Unless you think some other 'god' owns the MILLION hills on earth, and our God only owns 1000?

keras said:

But you don't.
2 Peter 3, is a sequence of events; commencing with the Sixth Seal, verses 7 and 10, then he mentions the promise of the NH, NE, which we know from Revelation 21:1-7, does not come until after the Millennium.
The Return of Jesus isn't mentioned by 2 Peter 3.

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Yes, it most certainly is. There was a first coming of Christ and there will be a second coming of Christ. And 2 Peter 3 is undeniably related to the second coming of Christ. To try to say that the second coming of Christ isn't the return of Christ is a joke and can't be taken seriously.

What is the promise that is mentioned in 2 Peter 3?

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

His promise refers to the promise of the second coming of Christ. The Lord is not being slow in keeping His promise to return. And, according to the promise of His second coming/return, we are looking forward to new heavens and a new earth. In your view, we are looking for an earthly millennial kingdom according to the promise of His second coming/return instead. You are contradicting what Peter taught. You should be looking forward to new heavens and a new earth in accordance with the promise of Christ's second coming, but you're not.

Douggg said:

Actually you only quoted a handful of verses containing the phrase one thousand.

There 395 such verses in the bible.

But only two having the phrase one thousand years.

Really, I don't understand why you continue. Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37 are clear that when Jesus returns it is not going to be the destruction of this world.

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Tell that to Peter.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

What is "his promise" that should have us looking forward to "new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness"? It's the promise of His second coming, right (2 Peter 3:4)?

Why are you looking forward to something other than the new heavens and new earth in accordance with His second coming? Do you think Peter didn't know what he was talking about? Do you think Peter wasn't aware of Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37? I'm sure he was. And, yet he still wrote what he did in 2 Peter 3, which clearly contradicts your interpretations of Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37.

keras said:

I made a 'profound theological point', when I posted the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind. You didn't miss it, you dismissed it.

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All you have done is show how many years of history there have been so far. There is NOTHING in scripture that teaches ANYTHING about a 7000 year plan of God. You made that up in your imagination.

Spiritual Jew said:

Yes, it most certainly is. There was a first coming of Christ and there will be a second coming of Christ. And 2 Peter 3 is undeniably related to the second coming of Christ.

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Peter never says his prophecy is about Jesus Return in glory. None of 2 Peter 3:1-12 relates to Jesus Return, as described in Revelation 19:11

Peter tells us about the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath. Then, finally in verse 13; when the NH,NE comes.
Failing to understand the difference between the Lord's wrath and His glory, is your fundamental error.

Spiritual Jew said:

All you have done is show how many years of history there have been so far. There is NOTHING in scripture that teaches ANYTHING about a 7000 year plan of God. You made that up in your imagination.

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It isn't imagination to add the given time periods in the Bible to show the 3/ 2000 year tranches, up to today. We are now at 5991 years since Adam.
Your denial of God's 7000 year Plan for mankind, is your other fundamental error.

keras said:

Peter never says his prophecy is about Jesus Return in glory. None of 2 Peter 3:1-12 relates to Jesus Return, as described in Revelation 19:11

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Yes, it does. You are completely lacking in discernment. He is only returning once and each of those clearly are referring to His return. This should be simple to discern, but you are still missing it.

Peter tells us about the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath. Then, finally in verse 13; when the NH,NE comes.
Failing to understand the difference between the Lord's wrath and His glory, is your fundamental error.

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His wrath will come down when He comes in glory. There's nothing hard to understand about that. According to what promise are we to look forward to the new heavens and new earth? If you can't answer this question then that shows that you have no idea of how to properly interpret 2 Peter 3.

It isn't imagination to add the given time periods in the Bible to show the 3/ 2000 year tranches, up to today. We are now at 5991 years since Adam.

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That doesn't prove some 7000 year plan of God.

Your denial of God's 7000 year Plan for mankind, is your other fundamental error.

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Which you are completely unable to prove since you have no scriptural evidence that speaks of a 7000 year plan of God. I can't take you seriously since you have no scriptural support for that.

eclipsenow said:

I don't deny that there are many other verses that contain the word 'thousand' in them. Like a LITERAL counting of the census, or a LITERAL counting of the army. So the word 1000 is usually surrounded by other numbers - like 'about four thousand' or whatever. That's when it is literal.

But on its own? Oh my oh my - that's when it shines as a completely symbolic thing, doesn't it? Which I really don't understand why you continue to deny it.

Unless you think some other 'god' owns the MILLION hills on earth, and our God only owns 1000?

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You ignored the proof I gave you against Amil in that post of....


In Acts 15:16, when Jesus returns (after the time of the gentiles) he is going to rebuild the tabernacle of David, the place where David lived. Not destroy the world.

Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Rebuilding the tabernacle of David is found in Amos 9:11, which God regathers the Jews back into the land, never to be pulled out of again in Amos 9:15.

11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

The Jews returned to land Israel and the nation was borne in a single day fulfilling Isaiah 66:7-8 fulfilling also Amos 9:14 above.

In 1967, the Jews regained possession of Jerusalem and the temple mount, establishing the parable of the fig tree generation, who will see Jesus's return. We are living in that generation.

eclipsnow, I don't understand you continue, using abstract arguments, in spite of the very clear verses in the bible, like the above, that point out when Jesus returns, He is not going to destroy the world.

Spiritual Jew said:

Do you think Peter wasn't aware of Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37? I'm sure he was. And, yet he still wrote what he did in 2 Peter 3, which clearly contradicts your interpretations of Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37.

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I think you don't accept Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37, nor that God considers from the day the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God to the destruction of this world a thousand years later - as being as one day in His eternal being.

Douggg said:

I think you don't accept Zechariah 14 and Ezekiel 37

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I think you have no idea of what you're talking about. I accept all of scripture. But, I refuse to interpret any given passage of scripture in such a way that contradicts other more clear scripture.

You are completely unable to show how 2 Peter 3 lines up with Premil. But, you don't care about that. You don't care about the fact that the New Testament interprets the Old Testament prophecies for us. Sometimes in a way that no one would have ever guessed. Such as how the promises to Abraham and his seed were made to Christ and those who belong to Christ (Galatians 3:16,29).

nor that God considers from the day the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God to the destruction of this world a thousand years later - as being as one day in His eternal being.

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Do you plan to ever give any kind of convincing evidence to show that some future physical temple built by unbelieving Jews could possibly qualify as something Paul would call "the temple of God"? If you can't provide such evidence, then you shouldn't expect your interpretation to be taken seriously.

Douggg said:

You ignored the proof I gave you against Amil in that post of....


In Acts 15:16, when Jesus returns (after the time of the gentiles) he is going to rebuild the tabernacle of David, the place where David lived. Not destroy the world.

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Wow - I've never heard that verse interpreted literally as prophecy for the temple.
And you know why? Because James is interpreting this promise of "David's fallen tent" as what is happening in the people of the church. "choose a people for his name from the Gentile"... "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God."

It's actually blasphemous to insist the Gentiles need a temple. They don't.

Jesus says HE is the temple, and will tear it down and build it up again in 3 days.
(His death and resurrection.)
Hebrews says we don't NEED a building, because Jesus is our temple.
Basically the way the apostles and Jesus spoke of everything 'law' and 'temple' and 'sacrifice' make it clear that Jesus fulfils all those things so perfectly that there's simply no room for a literal Ezekiel temple. That was a vision of the perfection of Jesus acting as temple and sacrifice and living as the perfect Israel to fulfil the law perfectly.

Historians think Hebrews 8 was written before 70AD - while the current second temple still existed. What does Hebrews 8 make of the temple and temple system?

Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
John 2
18 The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”

19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

Or 1 Corinthians 3
16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Or Ephesians 2
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Or 2 Corinthians 6:
16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,
“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Going back to the temple would be as much of an abomination as going back to circumcision, food laws, and sacrifice. It would spit on what Jesus has accomplish. It's gospel-denying man-made religion. It's an abomination! It's heresy! It's un-Christian! The temple sacrificial system pointed to Jesus - not to itself. Jesus fulfilled and did away with all that.

Douggg said:

You ignored the proof I gave you against Amil in that post of....


In Acts 15:16, when Jesus returns (after the time of the gentiles) he is going to rebuild the tabernacle of David, the place where David lived. Not destroy the world.

Acts 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

Rebuilding the tabernacle of David is found in Amos 9:11, which God regathers the Jews back into the land, never to be pulled out of again in Amos 9:15.

11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

The Jews returned to land Israel and the nation was borne in a single day fulfilling Isaiah 66:7-8 fulfilling also Amos 9:14 above.

In 1967, the Jews regained possession of Jerusalem and the temple mount, establishing the parable of the fig tree generation, who will see Jesus's return. We are living in that generation.

eclipsnow, I don't understand you continue, using abstract arguments, in spite of the very clear verses in the bible, like the above, that point out when Jesus returns, He is not going to destroy the world.

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You are taking Acts 15:16 COMPLETELY out of context. You clearly have not examined the context closely at all.

Acts 15:12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles.

Up to this point Peter was talking about how God brought the Gentiles to Himself. It is talking about something that God had already done and was continuing to do. I hope you can at least discern that much. Then Peter said this in direct relation to what God had already done and was continuing to do for the Gentiles:

Acts 15:15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return and rebuild David’s fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, even all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things’ 18 things known from long ago. 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God.

When it says "the words of the prophets are in agreement with this" that means Peter was saying the words of Amos 9:11-12 had to do with what he had just spoken about which was the salvation of the Gentiles that had already been happening.

Peter was applying the prophecy from Amos 9 to what had already happened and was continuing to happen up to that point, which is that God was including Gentile believers among His people. So, Peter indicated that the timing of "that day" referenced in Amos 9:11 would be the time during which Gentile believers would join Israelite believers as God's people. That time period has been going on for almost 2,000 years.