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The way I look at it, if this thousand years are involving this age rather than after Christ returns, it would not be unreasonable to not take them literally. But if they are instead meaning post the 2nd coming, it is perfectly reasonable to take them literally in that case. The way I have decided whether they are literal or not is based on how other numbers followed by years are interpreted in the Bible.
And why did you choose that approach instead of looking at how the number "thousand" is used elsewhere in scripture? The term "thousand" is used figuratively several times in scripture. Is that not something to take into consideration?

They are always interpreted literally, thus they literally mean the amount of years specified. I find it to be unreasonable, if that is the pattern throughout the Bible, that this same pattern wouldn't also apply to a thousand when it is followed by years.
I find this to be a weak argument. This would be like me arguing that the word generation is used literally throughout the Bible when a number is in front of it, so why wouldn't that be true in the following verse as well?

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

This clearly isn't referring to a literal thousand generations. But, the word is used literally in every other verse in scripture that has a number before that word (Examples: Exodus 20:5, Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18, Deut 5:9, Deut 23:2-3;8, 2 Kings 10:30;15:12, Matthew 1:17).

Why wouldn't it? Why does it mean a literal amount of years in all these other verses throughout the Bible, but not if the number is a thousand and it is also followed by years?
Why does the word generation mean a literal number of generations in all the other verses throughout the Bible besides those that refer to "a thousand generations", but not in the verses that refer to "a thousand generations"? Because the word "thousand" is a common word to use to figuratively describe a large, undefined number.

And so what if a thousand doesn't mean in the literal sense every time in the Bible? Who is arguing that is.
"So what"? Why is that not significant to you? Can you at least acknowledge since that is the case, it can be true in Revelation 20 as well?

Does that then mean it can't also be meaning in the literal sense as well at times?
Of course. But, since it isn't always literal, that's something for you to seriously consider when interpreting Revelation 20.

Look how Amils argue in regards to this. They use examples not even involving years, as if a cattle on a thousand hills somehow has something in common with a thousand years.
It does. The word "thousand". That isn't insignificant. Why are you trying to downplay how the word "thousand" is used in scripture?

Per the former it is meaning every hill. If we apply that same logic to a thousand years, that has to mean it is meaning every single year since the beginning of time, and includes every single year until time is no more, which is ludicrous.
Obviously, that is not the logic that Amils are applying to the term, so you're once again (for the thousandth time) making a straw man argument here. The point is that the term "thousand" is used figuratively a number of times in scripture, so there's no reason to think it's not possible for that to be the case in Revelation 20 as well.
 
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You just assume that Day is the Return.
But it isn't, it will be the Day when the Lord sends His fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal event. The world changer which commences all the end time prophesies.
Proved by how Jesus' Return is not a worldwide disaster. Revelation 19:11
At the Return, the time of distress has passed.... Matthew 24:29-30 and Revelation 15:1

Until people get this right, they will not understand the truth about the end times.
Your arguments are stale and completely unconvincing. It's quite obvious that 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 are referring to the return of Christ. Other scripture like Matthew 24:37-39, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and Revelation 19:11-21 make it quite clear that Jesus will be taking out His vengeance on His enemies at His return and that is exactly what is portrayed in 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12.
 
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Right. So, Satan was bound after Christ's resurrection. I agree. But, you think Satan was loosed in 70 AD? That's what you seemed to be saying before.
Yes, I think Satan was loosed just prior to 70 AD to accomplish the destruction of Jerusalem. I would say that Jerusalem could have been destroyed in the last half of Daniels 70th week but he was bound from doing it at that time. God was long suffering toward the Jews.
 
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What do you think it means for them to be overcome?
I think John the Baptist was a type and he is seen in the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11. When John the Baptist questioned whether Jesus was the Christ this is an example of being overcome.
What do you think it means for them to be overcome? It just means they are killed.
Then how do you explain the 7 churches being told that they must overcome? Do you define “overcome” differently when it’s used in Revelation 2-3 then when it’s used in Revelation 11? Revelation 2:11 he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death, Revelation 2:26 overcomers are given power over the nations, and Revelation 3:21 overcomers sit in My throne. Are you say a person can both overcome and be overcome at the same time?
 
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Yes, I think Satan was loosed just prior to 70 AD to accomplish the destruction of Jerusalem. I would say that Jerusalem could have been destroyed in the last half of Daniels 70th week but he was bound from doing it at that time. God was long suffering toward the Jews.
So, to you, the thousand years figuratively represents less than 40 years. I just can't buy that.
 
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I think John the Baptist was a type and he is seen in the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11. When John the Baptist questioned whether Jesus was the Christ this is an example of being overcome.
No, being overcome has to do with being killed. Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church (Matt 16:18), remember? So, how can you think that the two witnesses, representing the church, could be overcome spiritually? That would mean the gates of hell prevailed against it.

Then how do you explain the 7 churches being told that they must overcome? Do you define “overcome” differently when it’s used in Revelation 2-3 then when it’s used in Revelation 11?
Yes, because the word is used in a different context in each passage. Revelation 2-3 is talking about believers spiritually overcoming this evil world and all the things the spiritual enemy throws at them. Revelation 11:7 is talking about the beast opposing the church and killing Christians.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 2:11 he that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death, Revelation 2:26 overcomers are given power over the nations, and Revelation 3:21 overcomers sit in My throne. Are you say a person can both overcome and be overcome at the same time?
Sure. Why not? When a person is faithful unto death then they have overcome spiritually even though they have been overcome physically.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
 
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No, being overcome has to do with being killed. Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church (Matt 16:18), remember? So, how can you think that the two witnesses, representing the church, could be overcome spiritually? That would mean the gates of hell prevailed against it
I never said I think the 2 witnesses were the church, that's an Amil belief.
Yes, because the word is used in a different context in each passage. Revelation 2-3 is talking about believers spiritually overcoming this evil world and all the things the spiritual enemy throws at them. Revelation 11:7 is talking about the beast opposing the church and killing Christians.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
If that's correct then Revelation 11:7 says the beast shall make war against them, and shall kill them, and kill them.
In the last part of Philippians 1:20 so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. A true believer can't be overcome by physical death, it only magnifies God.


Sure. Why not? When a person is faithful unto death then they have overcome spiritually even though they have been overcome physically.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. 11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the se
So when was the last time you heard someone say "Satan overcame him" at a funeral of a preacher?
 
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I never said I think the 2 witnesses were the church, that's an Amil belief.
What is your belief? Postmil? Who do you think the two witnesses represent then?

If that's correct then Revelation 11:7 says the beast shall make war against them, and shall kill them, and kill them.
No, it's just indicating the result of them being overcome is being killed.

In the last part of Philippians 1:20 so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. A true believer can't be overcome by physical death, it only magnifies God.
Good grief. Are you even trying to see my point? I'm not talking about them being overcome in the sense that you're talking about. I'm only seeing it as them being killed and not of them being overcome in a spiritual sense at all.

So when was the last time you heard someone say "Satan overcame him" at a funeral of a preacher?
I don't recall anyone ever quoting from the book of Revelation at a funeral, so you saying this means nothing as it relates to this discussion as far as I'm concerned.
 
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What is your belief? Postmil? Who do you think the two witnesses represent then?
I don't have a complete eschatology view. I see problems with all the major views.
I think the 2 witnesses represent the law and the prophets and John the Baptist was a type. I certainly wouldn't exclude any other types but I don't think the 2 witnesses represent the church. I personally see too many problems with that idea.
 
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Your arguments are stale and completely unconvincing. It's quite obvious that 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 are referring to the return of Christ. Other scripture like Matthew 24:37-39, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and Revelation 19:11-21 make it quite clear that Jesus will be taking out His vengeance on His enemies at His return and that is exactly what is portrayed in 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12.
You avoid my proof scriptures; Matthew 24:29 and Rev 15:1. They both prove that the Lord's wrath is over before He Returns.
Even the battle of Armageddon is over before He visibly Returns, Revelation 16:16-18
The 'wrath and treading the winepress', of Revelation 19:15b, are a reference to the past event of the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-1 and Revelation 14:14-20

The whole idea of Jesus destroying the world when He Returns, is quite wrong and totally illogical. He WILL reign over the world in peace and prosperity, it will be Jesus reward.
Many Psalms describe the Millennium: Psalms 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, and Psalms 47:1-2 Clap your hands you peoples, acclaim your God with joy. How awesome is the Lord, most High, the great King over all the earth.
 
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You avoid my proof scriptures; Matthew 24:29 and Rev 15:1. They both prove that the Lord's wrath is over before He Returns.
I don't avoid anything. Those verses don't prove that at all. How are you coming to that conclusion? The tribulation of Matthew 24:29 is not God's wrath, it's the tribulation Jesus described here:

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Jesus was talking about time of spiritual deception that would be so bad that it could deceive even "the very elect". This lines up with passages like 1 Thess 5:1-6, 2 Thess 2:1-12 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 where Paul and Peter both warn about being alert and aware of spiritual deception and tribulation that occurs before the wrath of God comes.

Even the battle of Armageddon is over before He visibly Returns, Revelation 16:16-18
The 'wrath and treading the winepress', of Revelation 19:15b, are a reference to the past event of the Sixth Seal, Revelation 6:12-1 and Revelation 14:14-20
That's nonsense. You're not recognizing the parallels in the book of Revelation and that's why your interpretation of the book is completely off base.

The whole idea of Jesus destroying the world when He Returns, is quite wrong and totally illogical.
It doesn't matter what you think is logical, it matters what scripture teaches. And scripture repeatedly teaches that He will destroy all unbelievers when He returns. And 2 Peter 3:10-13 makes it very clear that He will even destroy the heavens and the earth when He returns.

Tell me, what is the promise that Peter references in the following verse that, when kept and fulfilled, will result in a new heaven and new earth?

2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

He WILL reign over the world in peace and prosperity, it will be Jesus reward.
Many Psalms describe the Millennium: Psalms 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, and Psalms 47:1-2 Clap your hands you peoples, acclaim your God with joy. How awesome is the Lord, most High, the great King over all the earth.
Jesus is the great King over all the earth now. Deny it all you want, but Jesus Himself said it. I'm going to side with what Jesus taught over your beliefs every time.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
 
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You just assume that Day is the Return.
But it isn't, it will be the Day when the Lord sends His fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal event. The world changer which commences all the end time prophesies.

Yes, the nerfed catastrophe that 5 years population growth will undo
 
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The whole idea of Jesus destroying the world when He Returns, is quite wrong and totally illogical. He WILL reign over the world in peace and prosperity, it will be Jesus reward.
When Amil's read the whole New Testament we see that the Day of the Lord -when Jesus returns - is it. There is no more, no in-between ages, no end-times-table. The Lord suddenly and unpredictably returns and EVERYTHING changes in an instant.

There are two ages in the New Testament - THIS AGE - and the AGE TO COME - and the transition between the two is the Day of the Lord aka Judgement Day aka the Coming of the Son of Man. There's just no separating any of this out! The dead are raised and judged, the heavens and earth melt, the New Heavens and New Earth are installed and believers are saved into their eternal new home. All together - as far as I can tell - in a flash! So read the clearer statements in Scripture first, then try and understand the less clear after that. Let's look at the clear first.

THIS AGE looks like this:-
“homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields — and with them persecutions” (Mk 10:30); “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage” (Lk 20:34); the scholar, philosopher and such wisdom are of this age (1 Cor 1:20); secular and religious rulers dominate (1 Cor 2:6-8); “the god of this age [Satan] has blinded the minds of unbelievers” (2 Cor 4:4); this age is explicitly called “the present evil age” (Gal 1:4); ungodliness and worldly passions are typical of it (Titus 2:12). All of these qualities are temporal, and are certainly destined to pass away with the return of our Lord. “This age” is the age in which we live, and is the age in which we struggle as we long for the coming of Christ and the better things of the age to come.

THE AGE TO COME looks like this:-
it is characterized by eternal life (Mk 10:30; Lk 18:30); is also denoted as a time when there is no marriage or giving in marriage (Lk 20:35); and it is which is characterized by “life that is truly life” (I Tim 6:19). These qualities are all eternal, and are indicative of the state of affairs and quality of life after the return of Christ. In other words, these two ages, the present (“this age”) and the future (the “age to come”) stand in diametrical opposition to one another. One age is temporal; the other is eternal. One age is characterized by unbelief and ends in judgement; the other is the age of the faithful and is home to the redeemed. It is this conception of biblical history that dominates the New Testament.

THE DAY OF THE LORD / LAST DAY looks like this

MATTHEW 13
The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. 40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Jesus expressly states that he will raise believers up on the “last day” (Jn 6:39, 40, 44, 54; 11:24)

“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day” (John 12:48)

The return of Christ will occur “in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed” (1 Co. 15:52; cf. 1 Thess 4:16). Notice that there are no gaps of time indicated between the resurrection and the judgement. These texts collectively speak of the resurrection, the judgment, and the return of Christ as distinct aspects of but one event, occurring at precisely the same time (cf. Mt 25:31-46). Premillennialists, who often chide amillennialists for not taking the Bible “literally” and who champion what they call the “literal” interpretation of Scripture, must now insert a thousand-year gap between the Second Coming of Christ (and the resurrection) and the Final Judgment to make room for the supposed future millennial reign of Christ! And this, ironically, when the clear declarations of Scripture do not allow for such gaps.

IT ALL HAPPENS TOGETHER!
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

(Much of the material here adapted from the following source.)
A Present or Future Millennium? by Kim Riddlebarger
 
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I don't avoid anything. Those verses don't prove that at all. How are you coming to that conclusion? The tribulation of Matthew 24:29 is not God's wrath, it's the tribulation Jesus described here:

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Jesus was talking about time of spiritual deception that would be so bad that it could deceive even "the very elect". This lines up with passages like 1 Thess 5:1-6, 2 Thess 2:1-12 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 where Paul and Peter both warn about being alert and aware of spiritual deception and tribulation that occurs before the wrath of God comes.
This idea is way out and and Matthew 24:23 simply doesn't relate to Matthew 24:29.
hat's nonsense. You're not recognizing the parallels in the book of Revelation and that's why your interpretation of the book is completely off base.
None of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls are parallels, They all describe different events.
It is the way AMill believers mess about with Revelation, that is off base.
It doesn't matter what you think is logical, it matters what scripture teaches. And scripture repeatedly teaches that He will destroy all unbelievers when He returns.
But the 3 actual descriptions of the glorious Return, do not prophecy any worldwide destruction then: Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:30, Revelation 19:11
I do agree that no unbelievers will go into the Millennium.
Tell me, what is the promise that Peter references in the following verse that, when kept and fulfilled, will result in a new heaven and new earth?

2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Revelation 21:1 plainly states when the NH, NE will come. We will look forward to it, now and during the thousand years of the reign of King Jesus.
Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Jesus has the authority, but He has yet to claim the throne of David on earth.
Yes, the nerfed catastrophe that 5 years population growth will undo
After the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, the earths population will severely reduced. People will be a scarce as fine gold; Isaiah 13:12, Isaiah 24:6, and corpses will be scattered all over the world; Jeremiah 25:33
When Amil's read the whole New Testament we see that the Day of the Lord -when Jesus returns - is it. There is no more, no in-between ages, no end-times-table. The Lord suddenly and unpredictably returns and EVERYTHING changes in an instant.
This belief cannot be correct, as the whole Bible narrative, has mankind - having fallen with Adam; being redeemed in a series of steps, a gradual way how we can overcome our fallen status, Jesus came to show the Way and it all culminates in His Millennium reign and then comes Eternity.

The rest of your post is cut and paste opinion from a 'wise and learned' fool. 1 Corinthians 1:19-21 Read and understand verse 21 especially.
 
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Do you literally accept that the gospel has been going forward for 2000 + years?
Sounds more reasonable than Satan being bound for a gazillion years. Since it has been 1991 years since the Cross, this cannot be the time frame known as 1000 years.
 
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It certainly isn't - we would have more grounds to believe it was FOREVER based on Old Testament terms - but John says it ends - showing we are in the grounds of 'a gazillion years'.
A day is not 24 hours?

A Day with the Lord is not 1000 years?

Where did Peter go wrong in avoiding being ignorant?

The Day with the Lord is not 24 hours. It is 1000 years. If you were currently in Paradise, you would be saying, what Time? Why would you be concerned about time at all? It is for our benefit on earth. Making time be viewed as a gazillion years is meaningless on earth and in the presence of God. Sounds like a made up word to me. Do you have Scripture proving gazillion is even a meaningful word?
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

Paul and Peter both taught that there will be major destruction that occurs when the day of the Lord comes. The scope of it will be such that unbelievers like the scoffers Peter mentioned in 2 Peter 3:3-4 "will not escape". How does that line up with your understanding of the day of the Lord being 1000 years in duration?

When exactly do you think the destruction that Paul and Peter described as occurring on the day of the Lord will happen? At the beginning of the 1000 years? At the end of the 1000 years? Throughout the 1000 years?
The fire is the point of cleaning up this earth. Yet Satan is still given 42 months after all the destruction. Humans will still be living in sin up until Armageddon. Then all things will be made new for the 1000 years. Did America start on July 4th 1776, or was there a lot of blood shed before and after that date, before independence was won?
 
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And why did you choose that approach instead of looking at how the number "thousand" is used elsewhere in scripture? The term "thousand" is used figuratively several times in scripture. Is that not something to take into consideration?

I find this to be a weak argument. This would be like me arguing that the word generation is used literally throughout the Bible when a number is in front of it, so why wouldn't that be true in the following verse as well?

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

This clearly isn't referring to a literal thousand generations. But, the word is used literally in every other verse in scripture that has a number before that word (Examples: Exodus 20:5, Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18, Deut 5:9, Deut 23:2-3;8, 2 Kings 10:30;15:12, Matthew 1:17).

Why does the word generation mean a literal number of generations in all the other verses throughout the Bible besides those that refer to "a thousand generations", but not in the verses that refer to "a thousand generations"? Because the word "thousand" is a common word to use to figuratively describe a large, undefined number.

"So what"? Why is that not significant to you? Can you at least acknowledge since that is the case, it can be true in Revelation 20 as well?

Of course. But, since it isn't always literal, that's something for you to seriously consider when interpreting Revelation 20.

It does. The word "thousand". That isn't insignificant. Why are you trying to downplay how the word "thousand" is used in scripture?

Obviously, that is not the logic that Amils are applying to the term, so you're once again (for the thousandth time) making a straw man argument here. The point is that the term "thousand" is used figuratively a number of times in scripture, so there's no reason to think it's not possible for that to be the case in Revelation 20 as well.
Paul says we are to take up our cross daily. Since that is figurative, then Jesus on a Cross could just be a figurative event? How can your argument hold water that way?
 
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And why did you choose that approach instead of looking at how the number "thousand" is used elsewhere in scripture? The term "thousand" is used figuratively several times in scripture. Is that not something to take into consideration?


The type of work I do requires knowing how to use a measuring tape properly. With that in mind...

Numbers 35:4 And the suburbs of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, shall reach from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about.
35 And ye shall measure from without the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits; and the city shall be in the midst: this shall be to them the suburbs of the cities.


If a thousand can also mean two thousand, why does verse 4 say a thousand cubits, and verse 5 say two thousand cubits? Why aren't two thousand cubits the same as a thousand cubits? After all, don't Amils insist that two thousand years, for example, is the same amount as a thousand years? The reason I mentioned a measuring tape and using it properly, imagine applying Amil's logic involving a thousand to that of Numbers 35:4. Imagine trying to figure out how many cubits a thousand are meaning when a thousand means any amount other than a thousand.

I find this to be a weak argument. This would be like me arguing that the word generation is used literally throughout the Bible when a number is in front of it, so why wouldn't that be true in the following verse as well?

Your comparison is nonsensical. It wouldn't be the same as if you argued in that manner. You would not be arguing facts. To argue, that when a number is followed by years, it is interpreted in the literal sense every time, that is to argue with facts, unless you can provide a verse or 2 where a number is followed be years, and that it doesn't mean the literal amount specified. You have hundreds of verses to choose from. Pick one then prove that this is not true. But if this is true, why wouldn't it still be true when the number is a thousand? Is thousand not a number also?
 
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