Swag365
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Or purgatory.Correct. And to clarify further, the status of having "eternal life" is contrasted with those whose names are not written in the Book of Life, and will be cast into the lake of fire after the Great White Throne Judgment. And the Bible describes this as the "second death".
So, eternal life is opposite of the second death. One either goes to heaven or goes to the lake of fire.
Sure, but he can cross right back over from life to death again. Not being judged is conditional on the belief. There are plenty of Christians who love the Lord today but will be ranting atheists tomorrow (and don’t even try the “they were never really among us” argument because I ain’t buying that).You should read John 5:24 more carefully, if you really believe that.
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."
Well I don’t want to get into a lengthy debate. I just wanted to make a brief point about that specific verse. I’m sure that every verse and every argument that either of us would raise has been discussed to death before, but I see OSAS clearly refuted in Romans 11 and John 15.This verse tells us quite clearly the result of believing in Jesus Christ:
1. they POSSESS eternal life.
2. they WILL NOT BE judged. Doesn't say "may not", it says WILL NOT.
3. they have crossed over from spiritual death to eternal life.
Where do you see any kind of wording that would even suggest that these things are conditioned on something else? I don't.
Plus, we have Jesus' plain words in John 10:28 - I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
We see that Jesus is the Giver of eternal life, and we saw from John 5:24 that occurs WHEN a person believes.
And the result of receiving the gift of eternal life is clearly stated: and they shall never perish.
So the Bible teaches in the clearest of words that from the MOMENT of faith in Christ, the person shall never perish, or experience the second death.
Right. A bit of discernment and one should obviously realize that is referring to eternity itself. But John 5:24 is very clear; the actual gift of eternal life is received WHEN one believes.
So you just make up your own rules and believe whatever you want to, huh.
When John 5:24 and 10:28 are combined, it is very obvious that salvation is permanent.
For John 10:28, you merely need to look at verse 27. There you see that having eternal life is conditional on being a sheep and following our Lord. There are plenty of Christians who follow the Lord today, but who will curse him a few years from now.
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