Is baptism a requirement?

Is baptism a requirement to become a Christian?

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1 Corinthians 12:13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

John 1:32 And John testified, saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 And I did not recognize [ad]Him, but He who sent me to baptize [ae]in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes [af]in the Holy Spirit.’

And Scripture tells you what baptism with the Holy Spirit looks like: It was when the Spirit was poured out.

The same Spirit who was poured out is the One who is received, as gift, in the waters of Holy Baptism. That is why St. Peter, speaking in the power and authority of the Holy Spirit, said, "Repent and be baptized, all of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts of the Apostles 2:38). The gift of the Holy Spirit is here in the Sacrament of Baptism.

Through Baptism the Spirit and the gifts are ours; and that is how we have all been "baptized of one Spirit...and were all given one Spirit to drink" (1 Corinthians 12:13).

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In Acts 10:44-47 the gentiles were baptized in the Spirit without water baptism.

Notice how what happened here was the same thing that happened earlier, on the Day of Pentecost in the 2nd chapter of the Acts.

In the only two instances that the Bible says "baptism with the Holy Spirit" happened, it is a massive public act of God upon whole groups. It is never an individualistic experience. Outside of these two instances, nothing else is described as "baptism with the Holy Spirit". The Scriptures never call the laying on of hands "baptism with the Holy Spirit" as we see in Acts of the Apostles 7:14-17, and Acts of the Apostles 19:1-7. This laying on of hands, by the way, has also always been retained in Christian practice, called Chrismation because it is accompanied with anointing oil, aka chrism. The baptized have hands laid on them, are anointed with oil, to signify the reception of the Holy Spirit.

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To become a member of the Christian Church, must you be baptized with water?

What constitutes a proper baptism?

If it is NOT required, what is, and what does baptism do or what is the meaning of it?

Paul and Silas answered the question of what is required for salvation in Acts 16:30-31....

He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

No mention of water baptism.

Of course, like the Philippian jailer, after we are saved we should be baptized in water as an outward expression of the inward change and because Jesus commanded it.
 
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I can find where Scripture says that our sins are forgiven in Baptism, that we receive the Holy Spirit in Baptism, that we are born again in Baptism, that we are united to Christ, and His death, burial, and resurrection in Baptism.

But I've never been able to find anywhere in Scripture where Baptism is described as an outward work of man which is done for God. Instead, consistently, the Scriptures teach that Baptism is the work of God which is done for us.

All I can think of is that, at some point, some hyper-Protestants got it in their head that anything visible and tangible can't be spiritual; and thus a rejection of the visible, tangible, works of God has taken place--and in their stead a belief in some invisible, interior, esoteric experience of God is needed. And thus the perversion of the Gospel we see today, where there are false preachers who say that we are saved by our own power, efforts, and works. Heresy begets heresy. In this case, it is the old vile lie of Gnosticism.

This is why, instead of obeying Christ's command, these churches introduce new rituals, new observances, traditions of men contrary to the word of God, such as the sinner's prayer and the altar call. Teaching that it is up to sinful men to acquire their own salvation by their own fallible will and reason, rather than professing the salvation of God which is in Jesus Christ, freely, through faith--faith that is given as the gift of God through His word (Ephesians 2:8, Romans 10:17). As such, false teachers do not point to God's Word and Sacraments, but instead point to human works. "Having a form of religion, but denying the power thereof" (2 Timothy 3:5).

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If baptism is a requirement for salvation then Paul and Silas were lying, along with the numerous other verses that state that salvation is by belief in Christ alone. eg...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.


 
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Paul and Silas answered the question of what is required for salvation in Acts 16:30-31....

He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

No mention of water baptism.
Bring this up again when the topic of discussion is "What does it take in order to be saved?," instead of "Is Baptism a requirement to become a Christian?" (which is the topic of this one).
 
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Paul and Silas answered the question of what is required for salvation in Acts 16:30-31....

He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

No mention of water baptism.

Of course, like the Philippian jailer, after we are saved we should be baptized in water as an outward expression of the inward change and because Jesus commanded it.

That's why I said:

I do believe one can go to the alter and be "saved" by laying on of hands for example. The next thing is to pick a church or Pastor to baptize you or it likely would be offered wherever the person was saved.
 
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To become a member of the Christian Church, must you be baptized with water?

What constitutes a proper baptism?

If it is NOT required, what is, and what does baptism do or what is the meaning of it?

By baptism we confess our faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and testify of our death to sin and of our purpose to walk in newness of life. Thus we acknowledge Christ as Lord and Saviour, become His people, and are received as members by His church. Baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, the forgiveness of our sins, and our reception of the Holy Spirit. It is by immersion in water and is contingent on an affirmation of faith in Jesus and evidence of repentance of sin. It follows instruction in the Holy Scriptures and acceptance of their teachings. (Matt. 28:19, 20; Acts 2:38; 16:30-33; 22:16; Rom. 6:1-6; Gal. 3:27; Col. 2:12, 13.)

Some earthly church institutions require it for membership into their particular church.

Jesus saves (through His sacrifice) .... not being baptized by water .... rather by getting water baptized we are publicly testifying that we have been saved.
 
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Maybe it would be best if, when answering questions like this one, all of us posters indicate which church we belong to or associate with. It seems terribly misleading to tell an inquirer what amounts to the POV of a small branch of Christianity as if it is the standard Christian answer.
 
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To become a member of the Christian Church, must you be baptized with water?

What constitutes a proper baptism?

If it is NOT required, what is, and what does baptism do or what is the meaning of it?

I think this is overcomplicating it.

If one is born again, and has the Holy Spirit inside of them, it is expected and normal for them to have a desire to get baptized, and do the ordinance.
 
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Bring this up again when the topic of discussion is "What does it take in order to be saved?," instead of "Is Baptism a requirement to become a Christian?" (which is the topic of this one).

Is someone who has saving faith in Christ not a Christian? (whether baptized or not).
 
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To become a member of the Christian Church, must you be baptized with water?

What constitutes a proper baptism?

If it is NOT required, what is, and what does baptism do or what is the meaning of it?
Baptism is equivalent to OT circumcision (Colossians 2:11-12).
Baptism enters you into the New Covenant community of faith, sets you apart (sanctified, holy) as in the household of God and under his provision (1 Corinthians 7:14).
Sanctified, holy = set apart.
 
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It doesn't specify water baptism.
Jesus will baptize with the Spirit

John 1:32 And John testified, saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. 33 And I did not recognize [ad]Him, but He who sent me to baptize [ae]in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes [af]in the Holy Spirit.’


But even if it did specify water baptism, why would the Lord not send Paul to baptize?

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made of no effect.
Death precedes resurrection, No one is baptised in the Holy Spirit if they do not have resurrection life. So the baptism Paul refers to is not the Holy Spirit. You have to ask the Lord why Paul was not sent to baptise. I don't think it is all that important or it would be clear.
 
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Is someone who has saving faith in Christ not a Christian? (whether baptized or not).
Saving faith in Christ is what makes a person a Christian. Baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation. Read the first chapter of John. It makes it clear.
 
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Death precedes resurrection, No one is baptised in the Holy Spirit if they do not have resurrection life. So the baptism Paul refers to is not the Holy Spirit. You have to ask the Lord why Paul was not sent to baptise. I don't think it is all that important or it would be clear.
And Mark 16:16?

You might consider that baptism is the NT circumcision (Colossians 2:11-12), wherein we put off the sinful nature (flesh), not with the hands of men cutting off flesh as in the OT, but done by Christ in being buried with him in baptism (dying to the sinful nature) and then raised into new (eternal) life of the spirit by that power of God which raised Christ from the dead.

Baptism is closely associated with faith in the sacramental union, where baptism graphically depicts what happens as the result of one's union with Christ, which comes with faith--through faith we are united with Christ (union), just as through our natural birth we are united with Adam (union). As we fell into sin and became subject to death in father Adam, so we now in baptism have died and been raised again in/with Christ, where in terms of sacramental union, the effects of faith (death to sin, raised to eternal life) are attributed to baptism.
 
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If baptism is a requirement for salvation then Paul and Silas were lying, along with the numerous other verses that state that salvation is by belief in Christ alone. eg...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.



They weren't lying. We are saved through faith alone.

This is like saying that since we are saved through faith alone, then that means we can't be saved by Christ's atoning work alone. These are not mutually exclusive statements, they are mutually inclusive statements.

We are saved through faith alone BECAUSE of Christ alone.

In order for us to receive Christ's perfect and finished work through faith, we need faith--and faith does not originate from within ourselves as an operation of our sinful, human, fallen will; but as a gift from God alone, apart from ourselves and all our efforts (Ephesians 2:8-9), and God works and creates faith in us by the power of the Gospel, the power of Christ's word (Romans 10:17).

So wherever Christ's word is, wherever there is Gospel, we should be confident that the Spirit Himself is at work converting, giving faith.

That means Baptism is efficacious, not efficacious apart from faith, but efficacious because of faith. Because Christ's holy and precious word is connected with the water, as the Apostle Paul writes in Ephesians 5:26, Christ cleansed the Church "by the washing of water with the word".

We also have the clear words of Scripture that baptism is salvific, while Scripture says this many times and in many ways, the most clear statement is found in 1 Peter 3:21, which in explicitly plain words tells us that baptism is salvific, not as a mere washing away of dirt from the body like the Jewish mikveh or an ordinary bath, but as "the pledge of a new conscience toward God through Christ's resurrection".

So, yes, we have salvation in our baptism, and we can remember our baptism, have confidence before God on account of our baptism. Because there in our baptism we were born again (John 3:3-5, Titus 3:5), we were washed with God's word connected with the water (Ephesians 5:26), which gives and works faith in us (Romans 10:17).

Is Baptism the only place where God's word is found? Of course not. The preaching of the Gospel is also plainly efficacious, after all that is the context of what the Apostle is saying in Romans ch. 10, that without someone sent to preach the Gospel no one can hear, and thus believe the Gospel. Because it is through the preaching of the Gospel that is efficacious to create faith. Wherever, and whenever, God's word is found, there God works to create faith, and we know His word is perfect and unfailing (Isaiah 55:11). This is why we speak of the Means of Grace as "Word and Sacrament", not as two things, but as one thing.

Through the preaching of the Gospel.
Through the waters of Holy Baptism.
Through the bread and wine of the Holy Eucharist.
There is God's grace, because here is God's living, active, word. His word is not dead, but alive, and it actually does things, it is efficacious.

Wherever Christ and His Gospel are found, there the Spirit is active creating and working faith in sinners, in us. To justify us before God on Christ's account, by His grace alone. This is the meaning behind the three great Solas of the Reformation: Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, Solus Christus. Grace Alone, Faith Alone, and Christ Alone.

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Notice how what happened here was the same thing that happened earlier, on the Day of Pentecost in the 2nd chapter of the Acts.

In the only two instances that the Bible says "baptism with the Holy Spirit" happened, it is a massive public act of God upon whole groups. It is never an individualistic experience. Outside of these two instances, nothing else is described as "baptism with the Holy Spirit". The Scriptures never call the laying on of hands "baptism with the Holy Spirit" as we see in Acts of the Apostles 7:14-17, and Acts of the Apostles 19:1-7. This laying on of hands, by the way, has also always been retained in Christian practice, called Chrismation because it is accompanied with anointing oil, aka chrism. The baptized have hands laid on them, are anointed with oil, to signify the reception of the Holy Spirit.

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Is that not an adorable baby?
 
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To become a member of the Christian Church, must you be baptized with water?

What constitutes a proper baptism?

If it is NOT required, what is, and what does baptism do or what is the meaning of it?
I did not like any of the alternatives

New Christians may not tap into everything that is available to them to help them experience the transformation:

I do not know of any Christian group, who believe the water itself saves you, since all believe it is God who saves and God is not limited by water.

Water baptism is not a “requirement” for salvation since God does the saving, but is something Christians get to do in order to help them and others.

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You need to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.
 
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I did not like any of the alternatives

New Christians may not tap into everything that is available to them to help them experience the transformation:
Sure

I do not know of any Christian group, who believe the water itself saves you, since all believe it is God who saves and God is not limited by water.
That's right. It's a non-issue.

Water baptism is not a “requirement” for salvation since God does the saving, but is something Christians get to do in order to help them and others.
A few Christians would agree with that.

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally.
That would be a personal thing, then.

You need to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.
Again, that's a minority opinion among Christians.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.
I don't know WHO would agree with all of that. ;)
 
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They weren't lying. We are saved through faith alone.

This is like saying that since we are saved through faith alone, then that means we can't be saved by Christ's atoning work alone. These are not mutually exclusive statements, they are mutually inclusive statements.

Yes but of the five Sola's "Sola Fide" is the only requirement by us for salvation. We are saved by faith and faith alone, not faith + baptism, as the verses I previously quoted clearly state. Baptism contributes nothing to our salvation.

Baptism is a valuable ordinance commanded after a person is saved, as shown by the patterns of baptism described in scripture. There are numerous reasons for being baptised, but a contribution to salvation is not one of them. There is nothing magical that happens when we are baptised such as receiving the Holy Spirit or being cleansed from sin.

That means Baptism is efficacious, not efficacious apart from faith, but efficacious because of faith. Because Christ's holy and precious word is connected with the water, as the Apostle Paul writes in Ephesians 5:26, Christ cleansed the Church "by the washing of water with the word".

Ephesians 5:26 makes no mention of baptism. The ordinance has to be read into the text, which is not sound exegesis. If Paul was referring to baptism he would undoubtedly have used that word.

More likely, "washing of water by the word" is a metaphor for the cleansing effect of the God's word. cf. John 15:3, "you are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you". Paul is comparing the sanctifying effect of God's word with washing with water, and specifically the bridal bath which Jewish brides undertook before their wedding. Remember the context of this verse is the relationship between husbands and wives, and the subsequent verses clearly allude to the church being the "bride of Christ".

Also notice the whole church here is pictured as being washed, whereas baptism is a rite only for the individual - a further indication that Paul is not referring to baptism here. It is people who are baptised, not the church as a whole.

Note also that the water described here is used for washing, but the water in Christian baptism is never used for washing, nor is it ever used as such in scripture accounts. When I stepped into the baptistry pool 22 years ago, I never took a bar of soap with me!

It is not the waters of baptism that washes away sin, it is the blood of Jesus Christ (1 John 1:7) and baptism is only a symbol of that true cleansing.

Scripture makes it abundantly clear that sins are washed away the moment we repent of our sins and turn to Christ in faith....

Acts 3:19 "Repent, then, and turn to God so that your sins may be wiped out"

Acts 10:43 "everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

Luke 24:47 "repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations"

Acts 5:31 "God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Saviour that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins."

Acts 13:37-38 "I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin"

Luke 5:20 Seeing their faith, He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven you.”

We also have the clear words of Scripture that baptism is salvific, while Scripture says this many times and in many ways, the most clear statement is found in 1 Peter 3:21, which in explicitly plain words tells us that baptism is salvific, not as a mere washing away of dirt from the body like the Jewish mikveh or an ordinary bath, but as "the pledge of a new conscience toward God through Christ's resurrection".

Although at first glance 1 Peter 3:21 appears to say that baptism is salvific ("baptism now saves you"), that cannot be the literal meaning because it would contradict the dozens of other verses that say salvation is attained when a person puts their faith in Christ. And there can be no contradictions in scripture. (See Luke 7:50; 8:12; John 3:16; 6:36; 5:24; 3:36; 5:24; 6:40; 6:47; 11:25-26; 20:31; Acts 2:21; 10:43; 13:39; 16:30-31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22; 2:16; Ephesians 1:13-14; 2:8; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 15:2; Phil. 3:9; 1 Timothy 4:10; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 Peter 1:5; 1:9; 1 John 5:13)

Peter is not saying that the act of baptism provides salvation. It is not the outward physical ceremony of baptism that saves, but rather the inward spiritual reality which baptism represents. Peter makes this clear by saying that baptism is not the removal of filth from the flesh (ie. cleansing of sin), but rather an appeal to God for a clear conscience. ie what saves is crying out to the Lord for forgiveness because "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved" (Rom 10:13) and that occurs before baptism. The saving is done “through the resurrection of Jesus Christ” and not “through water”. Notice Peter's analogy to Noah's ark. It was boarding the ark that saved Noah from divine wrath, not being immersed in flood water. The ark is a type of Christ, a picture of the means of being saved by putting our trust in Christ. And Peter says that baptism is a similar corresponding type, "Corresponding to that, baptism...". So baptism too is an external picture of the inward reality of salvation.

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Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? | GotQuestions.org

Because there in our baptism we were born again (John 3:3-5, Titus 3:5)

Neither of those verses make any mention of baptism.
 
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