Can Salvation be lost?

friend of said:

Ephesians 1:13-14

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Ephesians 1:13-14 says,
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

What is the condition of having the seal of God?

Scripture says, God the Father has set his seal upon those who labor for the meat that endures unto everlasting life.

"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed." (John 6:27).

The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey Him (Acts of the Apostles 5:32).

In fact, what is a guarantee?

Guarantee receipts normally have conditions which you can normally read in the ”fine print”. If you get a guarantee receipt for a certain product and you would like to make a claim, the store might request that you bring both the product and the receipt with you before they are willing to look at your claim. They might also request that you do this within a certain time frame and that you state what’s wrong with the product. Another example could be if someone buys you a bus ticket which guarantees you to get to a certain city PROVIDED that 1) you don’t throw away your ticket, 2) that you embark the right bus on the right time, and 3) that you STAY ON the bus until it arrives at the city. The BUS will arrive at the city as promised, but the question is if YOU will choose to be among the bus passengers.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Psalms 51:11
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me

Again, circumcision was a ”seal” for those under the old covenant.

Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a SEAL of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

This seal WAS broken and guaranteed nothing when those who were circumcised broke the covenant and were cut off from the people of God.

Romans 2:25-27
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, IF thou keep the law: but IF thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

As you can see, this seal was conditioned on continued faith and obedience. The Holy Spirit marks us as God’s children of the new covenant but if we abandon the faith, and/or live in disobedience then the Spirit of God no longer remains in us and we are no longer sealed. Circumcised (sealed) jews were broken off through unbelief.

Acts 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

John 14:15-16
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

Romans 8:9-10
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And IF Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

God speaks of the Israelites who ”grieved” His Holy Spirit in their rebellion. These Jews were cut off from the promise of entering God’s rest and they became God’s enemies.

Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: THEREFORE he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. —

Isaiah 63:14
As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.

In the NT the ”rest” is the eternal rest that all believers will attain. The book of Hebrews continually speak of the promise of eternal rest, in combination with WARNINGS to believers not to miss out on this promised rest through hardening their hearts in unbelief, just as the Israelites did who rebelled against God during the Exodus (Read Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 10).

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Sealed UNTO the day of redemption, but a seal can be broken Eph. 4:30

friend of said:

Titus 3:4-7

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Titus 3:4-7 says,
“But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”

Ask yourself when you read this passage: Does this sound like this is referring to Initial Salvation or Salvation over the whole life of the believer?

Well, Titus 3 sounds like it is referring to Initial Salvation because it says that according to his mercy he saved us. SAVED us. “Saved us” is past tense. It also says that he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost. This is the born again experience when we first come to Jesus whereby He gives us a new heart with new desires.

By no means does this being saved by His grace include living in disobedience or sin in some way with the thinking we are saved.

“At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another.” (Titus 3:3) (NIV).

So our old life was disobedient and not the new life we have in Christ.

In fact, as I said before, Titus 1:16 says that a person can deny God by being reprobate unto every good work. So Paul is saying we need to have good works so as not to deny God; For obviously a person who denies God is not saved. Also, Titus 2:11-12 says God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. So there is no version of God’s grace that teaches us disobedience (in some way) with the thinking we are saved.

You need to realize that Paul tells us that Christ gave Himself for us so that He might redeems us from all iniquity, and to be zealous of good works. For Titus 2:14 says: “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

friend of said:

Ephesians 2:8-9

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Ephesians 2:8-9 says,


Now, when we read Ephesians 2:8-9 we must understand several things in light of the whole counsel of God's Word.


Ephesians 2:10 says,


These works are an entirely different kind of works than the one mentioned in Ephesians 2:9. In Ephesians 2:10: These are God directed works done through the believer (See: Philippians 2:13). Whereas Ephesians 2:9 is referring to Man Directed Works (or Works ALONE Salvationism). In Ephesians 2:10: This is the work of faith that Paul refers to in 1 Thessalonians 1:3, and 2 Thessalonians 1:11 (and not "Works Alone Salvationism" that does not include God's grace that is mentioned in verse 9). Ephesians 2:10 is what takes place after we accept the Lord as our Savior for salvation (i.e. After we are saved by God's grace). We are Christ's workmanship. We are His masterpiece. We are created anew by being born again spiritually after we sought out forgiveness of our sins with the Lord Jesus. We are given a new heart with new desires. Also, Jesus lives in us and does the good work, as well (See John 15:5). This is how we are able to be created unto good works. With a regenerated new born again spirit and with Jesus living in us, we can do good works which God has ordained (pre-arranged before this world was formed) that we should walk in these good works. The word "should" is used here. Saying of the necessity and importance of these good works that are to follow one's faith in the Lord for salvation.

But Ephesians 2 is primarily focuses on our initial or ultimate salvation (See Ephesians 2:11-18), and not on our Sanctification or the works that must follow. Verse 10 is merely a quick point of what needs to happen after we are saved by God's grace (Jesus). Nothing in Ephesians 2 is clearly mentioned about Sanctification (or living holy) as a part of our salvation because it's focus is fighting against Works Alone Salvationism. However, we know by other verses in the Bible that Sanctification is a part of our salvation (See 2 Thessalonians 2:13). Even Jesus said if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). Hebrews 5:9 says that Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. So Scripture has to be read as a whole and we cannot isolate verses so as to justify a wrong belief (Especially when that belief is immoral).

friend of said:

Romans 4:2

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“For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.” (Romans 4:2).

Again, Paul is making a case for a person to believe that they need to be Initially saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Paul here is condemning Works ALONE Salvationism via by the 613 Laws of Moses (that did not include God’s grace).

Romans 4:9-12 says,
“Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.”

Now, why would Paul bring up circumcision in relation to Abraham?
It’s because of Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24, and Galatians 5:2. Certain Jews were trying to deceive Christians into thinking they had to be circumcised according to the Old Law in order to be initially saved. So Paul’s whole point here is not to be justified by works ALONE via by the 613 Laws of Moses (without God’s grace). Nowhere will you see Paul condemning Sanctification of the Spirit for salvation in following the commands of Jesus and His followers after one is saved by God’s grace.

But it is true. Abraham was not justified by works ALONE (without God’s grace) by having faith in God. You tend to think that works is referring to any form of works of any kind (even works that follow after being saved by God’s grace), and this is simply not the case. For there is a difference between being saved by Works ALONE Salvationism (by the Old Law) vs. believing the Bible’s teaching that we are initially and foundationally saved by God’s grace and we need to continue in God’s plan of salvation by entering and remaining to abide in the Sanctification Process by the Holy Spirit.

friend of said:

Romans 4:5

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Romans Four & Works of Earning Money vs. Works of Responsibility in Owning a Free Gift:

To him that works his reward is not of grace but it is of debt as if it was some kind of obligation like at a job whereby he works so as to earn money.


Verse 4 explains verse 5 that says,

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” (Romans 4:5).

So we have to understand the term “works not.”

Works Alone or trading dollars for hours like at a job involving salvation is wrong. Works Alone Salvationism (without God’s grace) is wrong because one has no grace or rest ever. This would purely be a works based system of salvation with no grace or mercy (like with Christ) if one messes up. A person’s good deeds have to outweigh their bad deeds.

But this is not the same thing as "Works of Responsibility in Owning a Free Gift."

I believe God's grace is a free gift as Scripture says (Ephesians 2:8). Gifts are received, and then we do works of responsibility to take care of those gifts.

Let me give you an example:

If Rick received a car as a free gift from his dad, does that mean he can run red lights, drive drunk, and hit pedestrians? No. If he were to do that, he would not have his gift for very long. Now, was his car any less a free gift because he had to do works of responsibility in possessing his free gift? No. Did Rick have to work at a job and get a loan to buy this car? No. It was a free gift from his dad.

Here is another example:

If Billy-Bob prayed for a wife for many years and he eventually receive a wife from the Lord and consider her as a gift, then that does not mean Billy-Bob can cheat on her and or not love her and expect for her to stay with him. It is the same with God. Disloyalty to GOD means we do not really love GOD and we just love ourselves more than Him. GOD calls us to obedience to His Word. This was the problem that goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden. But men today want to say that we can break God's commands and they will not die. This was the same lie that the enemy was trying to sell Eve on. The serpent told her that she would not die if she ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Which was a violation of God's command).

Anyways, in conclusion: We know that working like at a job (trading dollars for hours) is not the same as doing "Works of responsibility in owning a free gift." Paul is not talking about responsibility in possessing Jesus Christ (Who is our gift). Paul is talking about trying to earn your salvation by a system of "Works Salvationism Alone" that did not include God's grace at all. But men today confuse the issue to justify sin under God’s grace (Which is what Jude 1:4 warns against).

Paul says a person can deny God by being reprobate unto every good work (Titus 1:16).
So we do see a different kind of work that is necessary or required.
For obviously a person cannot deny God and be saved;
And yet we know a person can deny God by being reprobate unto every good work.
We also know the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness, as well (See: Matthew 25:30).

Bible Highlighter said:

God's grace, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are saved by His grace, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.

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friend of said:

Romans 8:29-30

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Romans 8:29-30 says, “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”

What does that conform to the image of his Son look like?

“…if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

That sounds like Sanctification to me.

Anyways, the full version of this verse says this:

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

What is the flesh?

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21).

Is Paul talking about how believers will die physically upon this Earth in Romans 8:13 if they sin? No, because he is contrasting it with eternal life by putting to death the deeds of the body by the Holy Spirit. For there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1).

Also, the word “justified” in Romans 8:29-30 is not referring to the Theologian Text book term of Justification here (Whereby a person is being saved exclusively by God’s grace alone). Granted, while the word “justified” in Romans 8:29-30 does refer to being justified by God’s grace, it also is referring to the Sanctification Process, as well. For James 2:24 says we are justified by works and not by faith alone.

For Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him (See again: Hebrews 5:9).

So we are justified by our faith in God’s grace, AND by obeying the Lord in the Sanctification Process. We are declared “just” like in a court of Law if we pass the test in believing in God’s grace and in obeying Him by the Holy Spirit in this life.

friend of said:

Okay. You ignored all the verses I posted in post #593.

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My apologies. For brevity’s sake, I provided an answer that was more generalized that was not always precise to all the verses you posted. So I can see your frustration, and I do apologize for that. I wanted to give a quick answer based on the verses I recognized. But many of your verses you posted did focus on dealing with Initial Salvation by God’s grace, and or the condemnation of Works Alone Salvationism. In any event, I did take the time today (Which was rather time consuming) to give you a proper reply to the best of my ability for each of the verses you posted in post #593.

You said:

I think it's best we stop the debate, because I'm not going to respond to everything you've written.

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I am not expecting you to respond to everything I have written because I wrote a lot. I mean, I wrote a crazy a lot. But that is because I am only passionate about this topic. I also don’t want to leave any stone unturned and I want to be clear as to the truth of what God’s Word is saying.

But my encouragement to you is to take only a few points (could be just 2-4) that I made with Scripture and explain them using God’s Word (Which should include context and or cross references to some degree).

Anyways, whether you want to debate or not, may God’s goodness be upon you (even if we disagree strongly on God’s Word).

friend of said:

This is legalism. This is what legalism IS. Sin once = go to hell.

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It’s not legalism to obey Jesus as a part of eternal life.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” (John 8:57).

For what do you make of the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 7:26-27, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28?
Do not the majority of these verses imply that God can condemn us for sin or disobedience?

It’s also not legalism for God to condemn a person for committing a one time sin, either. For Ananias and Sapphira died instantly for lying to the Holy Ghost and it did not sound like they still retained their salvation that they initially had.

Now, how do I know they lost their salvation?

Well, Acts of the Apostles 5:11 says, “And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”

Now, if we are to think like a detective, and look at the motives behind why the church was in great fear with various different scenarios, we are able to come to the truth of what really happened.

Okay, so imagine if Ananias and Sapphira were fake believers who were just pretending. Why didn’t Peter point out how they were false believers or professors and that they needed to repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior? For if they were fakes, then how does a great fear from the church make any sense. Believers generally are not afraid when unbelievers die from their sins. So that does not add up or make any sense. However, imagine if Ananias and Sapphira were saved and safely in the arms of Jesus. Does that make sense if the church was experiencing great fear over what happened to them? Again this would be a… “no.” Paul says to live is Christ, and to die is gain. So this earth is not our home. To be with Christ is far better for the individual who was faithful and dies. For if they were saved, the church would be sad that they missed their friends, etc. but a great fear? It makes no sense. A great fear by the church only makes sense if the church (body of believers) knew that they also could be condemned by a particular sin that the Lord found to be so bad that He would condemn them right on the spot (like with Ananias and Sapphira).

I mean, was not Adam and Eve condemned spiritually by Adam’s one time sin?
Was that legalism? Surely not.

You said:

This is an impossible burden for God to lay on anyone, hence Christ. If Christ's blood does not cover thought-sin, then what does it cover in your view? Nothing I guess.

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Jesus said, “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26).

Also, while it is true that Romans 3:25 says, “…through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,” we also have to accept the truth of 1 John 1:7 that says, “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” In other words, we need to also walk in the light for the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin, too. The light = God (1 John 1:5). Walking in the light = Loving your brother (according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11). So we have to love our brother so that the blood will cleanse us from all sin. This lines ups with 1 John 3:10, and 1 John 3:15.

friend of said:

This is legalism. This is what legalism IS. Sin once = go to hell.

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So when a cop arrests somebody for murder, that’s legalism and or somehow wrong? Is God against justice or in doing that which is good and right?
I mean, how do you tell the good guys vs. the bad guys in a movie, novel, or news report? Is it not by their actions? Do you not ever get upset at certain sins?

“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

To quote another about the popular “Sin and Still Be Saved” type belief:

Sorry to say this, but I think this kind of belief is not just unbiblical but shameful, careless and dirty in its entire content. Imagine a person who thinks he was already saved and destined to heaven no matter what he will do, whether he do evil or not. Remember what happened in LA Fitness Gym in Pennsylvania on August 4, 2009? When a man named George Sodini fired 50 rounds into an aerobic class before turning the gun on himself. The shooting resulted four deaths (including Sodini himself) and nine injured. George Sodini was a member of the Tetelestai Church where he sat quietly for many years, listening to the deceptions of his preacher. Talking about the pastor of his Church, Sodini wrote in his blog dated Dec. 31, 2008,


And in a post dated August 3, 2009, Sodini said;

“Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell. Christ paid for every sin, so how can I or you be judged by GOD for a sin when the penalty was already paid. People judge but that does not matter. I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them.

After the horrible incident in Pennsylvania, Pastor Knapp’s deacon, Jack Rickard commented on Sodini’s death and said;


Kenneth Nally, another believer of this unscrupulous doctrine, committed suicide in 1980 after he was taught that even self-murder would not stop a person once saved from going to heaven. Definitely!

I also remembered a certain time when I tried to ask a Born Again pastor who preaches about the assured salvation. I asked him, “Pastor. If doing good works is unnecessary for salvation so that I decided to cease from giving my tithes, am I still saved?” The pastor answered and said, “Definitely not, son. If you will cease from giving your tithes and offerings, you will become a robber, because the Bible said, ‘ye rob God’.” See??? Born Again and many Baptist and Evangelical pastors who hold this kind of shameful doctrine are just after to our tithes! They don’t care about our salvation. They don’t care whether we will become evil or not, but what matters most is our money. They telling their members that in salvation, good works are unnecessary things, except the giving of tithes and donations!


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O.S.A.S. – THE WATCHMAN'S CRY

Bible Highlighter said:

It’s not legalism to obey Jesus as a part of eternal life.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.” (John 8:57).

For what do you make of the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 7:26-27, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28?
Do not the majority of these verses imply that God can condemn us for sin or disobedience?

It’s also not legalism for God to condemn a person for committing a one time sin, either. For Ananias and Sapphira died instantly for lying to the Holy Ghost and it did not sound like they still retained their salvation that they initially had.

Now, how do I know they lost their salvation?

Well, Acts of the Apostles 5:11 says, “And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”

Now, if we are to think like a detective, and look at the motives behind why the church was in great fear with various different scenarios, we are able to come to the truth of what really happened.

Okay, so imagine if Ananias and Sapphira were fake believers who were just pretending. Why didn’t Peter point out how they were false believers or professors and that they needed to repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior? For if they were fakes, then how does a great fear from the church make any sense. Believers generally are not afraid when unbelievers die from their sins. So that does not add up or make any sense. However, imagine if Ananias and Sapphira were saved and safely in the arms of Jesus. Does that make sense if the church was experiencing great fear over what happened to them? Again this would be a… “no.” Paul says to live is Christ, and to die is gain. So this earth is not our home. To be with Christ is far better for the individual who was faithful and dies. For if they were saved, the church would be sad that they missed their friends, etc. but a great fear? It makes no sense. A great fear by the church only makes sense if the church (body of believers) knew that they also could be condemned by a particular sin that the Lord found to be so bad that He would condemn them right on the spot (like with Ananias and Sapphira).

I mean, was not Adam and Eve condemned spiritually by Adam’s one time sin?
Was that legalism? Surely not.



Jesus said, “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26).

Also, while it is true that Romans 3:25 says, “…through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,” we also have to accept the truth of 1 John 1:7 that says, “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” In other words, we need to also walk in the light for the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin, too. The light = God (1 John 1:5). Walking in the light = Loving your brother (according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11). So we have to love our brother so that the blood will cleanse us from all sin. This lines ups with 1 John 3:10, and 1 John 3:15.

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The blood cleanses us from all evil consciences, from all dead works, that is why we believe in the pure blood of Jesus Christ, to purify our conscience, to believe is being pure as He is pure.( it is a pure faith)

Loving your brother, is when you stop being lovers of your own selves, until then, how can you love anyone else.

Knowledge edifies nobody, charity edifies, if you have the love of God in your heat, you can show what the love of God is, talking about it shows it is not there.



2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

@friend of

Anyways, I am going to strive to take a second break from CF for a little while unless you reply back to a few my Biblical points with Scripture.

May God’s love shine upon you greatly (even if we disagree greatly on Scripture).

Trivalee said:

If the blood of Jesus purged man's conscience from evil to good, would please explain why evil and all sorts of wickedness conceived from the heart still occur? Are you telling your readers that the blood of Jesus didn't do a good job or what?

According to the Bible, the blood of Jesus purged us from sin, (1 John 1:7) not our conscience. There's a difference!

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I believe he was referring to Hebrews 9:14 in how the blood purges our conscience from dead works.

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).

Bible Highlighter said:

I believe he was referring to Hebrews 9:14 in how the blood purges our conscience from dead works.

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14).

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Hello Bible Highlighter. Would you please explain to me what this green triangle is above your picture?

I have this also. I've noticed not everyone has this.

Titus Dorn said:

Hello Bible Highlighter. Would you please explain to me what this green triangle is above your picture?

I have this also. I've noticed not everyone has this.

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I could be wrong, but I believe it may be referring if you are online at the forums or not.
If you go to the main page of Christian forums, it shows you who is online.

Thank you for the positive rep on my one post.

May God bless you this fine day;
And always stay strong in the Lord.

Bible Highlighter said:

I could be wrong, but I believe it may be referring if you are online at the forums or not.
If you go to the main page of Christian forums, it shows you who is online.

Thank you for the positive rep on my one post.

May God bless you this fine day;
And always stay strong in the Lord.

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Thankyou.

I have a very simple way to prove christians can forfeit their salvation.
1John 3:15
Whoever hates His brother(christian brothers) is a murderer and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Anyone who doubts this is not a saved Christian told not to hate his brother in Christ lest he lose his eternal life.
Read the context of the chapter. Who is the audience?

1John 3:1-2
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

Beloved now we are children of God; and it has not been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him as He is.

It is obvious the man who can lose his eternal life by hating his brother is a born again christian.

Titus Dorn said:

Thankyou.

I have a very simple way to prove christians can forfeit their salvation.
1John 3:15
Whoever hates His brother(christian brothers) is a murderer and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

Anyone who doubts this is not a saved Christian told not to hate his brother in Christ lest he lose his eternal life.
Read the context of the chapter. Who is the audience?

1John 3:1-2
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.

Beloved now we are children of God; and it has not been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him as He is.

It is obvious the man who can lose his eternal life by hating his brother is a born again christian.

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I agree. I have mentioned 1 John 3:15 many times to others and they still are not able to see it.

Bible Highlighter said:

I agree. I have mentioned 1 John 3:15 many times to others and they still are not able to see it.

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Some truly are blinded by false teachers. Others are not searching for truth.

Why would anyone want to stop believing they cannot be lost?
It's hard to accept the truth. Gods gospel is not always what we want to hear. But those who truly love God always were willing to sacrifice their comfort for service to the Lord. Paul as a great example.

OSAS is for those who only desire to be comfortable.

Talking about initial salvation.


The good seed goes into the good heart, and keeps all that is sown.


There are other methods.

The heart that is not good, and is then bad.


It can come in many forms, such as Israel, having the words up until the messiah, and no more than that.

It then divides, a split seed, divisions of Christianity, JW, Baptist, SDA, Catholic, Protestant, all having a divided seed, and then a different sower, as Jesus sowed it whole.


Here is the initial salvation, it needed to b planted correctly, or it will be initial.

But if done as Jesus says, in an honest and good heart to receive, in good ground, and from Christ the good sower, giving the good seed ( His words are Spirit and life) then it cant be initial, as that is how a divided seed was received, to after fall away, and become unfruitful, but the one done truly, BEARS FRUIT ( and the good fruit bearing cant produce evil fruit)