should I take my pastor's advice?

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Yesterday I got an email from my pastor. I had sent him an email because of his sermon last Sunday. It was about doing stuff for Jesus, and how we all are involved. This got me to thinking of a work I had began doing for Jesus about 2 or 3 years ago, and Larry had advised me to quit doing what I was doing because it was evil, and it didn't profit God any. It didn't matter what defenses or scriptures I used to support what I was doing, Larry ignored them all and quoted the verses that he wanted to use. Something that is a common trait of him. I'm not calling him a bad pastor because my wife and I love him, but I'm wondering if he is right in where he advised me.

So what am I doing? I've been evangelizing, if you will, here on the Christian Forums, which is not a problem, but what I thought could potentially be a problem is that I'd also evangelize outside of the Christian Forums, in sinful video games. Like, for example, World of Warcraft and the Diablo series and stuff. Since video games like that contain magic, I was wondering if I'm being stupid, which is basically what Larry is saying because it's... I don't know. He's saying that being around video game magic isn't worth the "good" I could do by evangelizing there. And much good has come out of this. Because people have come to Christ due to God's work through me.

So, is my pastor correct? Or should I continue doing what I'm doing, since it is doing good? I mean, my pastor has a point, that we are supposed to be holy as God is holy, but I can't get around all the good that my efforts have been doing and could continue to do.

What matters is what you are doing sin before God. And you have to do the best you can to answer that with the scriptures you know. Do what you are sure is good in His sight and you will have His blessing.
 
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It's bearing good evangelical fruit. Is being around the content of those games bearing bad fruit in your life?

Well to be completely honest with you? WoW made me a very bad person who constantly yelled at people for being "noobs" and idiots.

An evangelist as to be completely calm andn in order to be efficient him job. I'm capable of it, I brought one of my close friends to Christ but, this was over Skype. I didn't start play WoW w I th him until after his conversion..

Also when I used to con money from people (this was before my comverstion) I conned to fulfill my WoW habit. I played the game for over 16 years. I might go back but I want to go back because God is telling me not because I want to go back. I do think God is calling me to video game ministry but he can't be calling me right now to a game that's only brought the worst of me.

I use more JFC Bombs when I'm playing World of Warcraf t than any o f ther game well.
 
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Well to be completely honest with you? WoW made me a very bad person who constantly yelled at people for being "noobs" and idiots.

An evangelist as to be completely calm andn in order to be efficient him job. I'm capable of it, I brought one of my close friends to Christ but, this was over Skype. I didn't start play WoW w I th him until after his conversion..

Also when I used to con money from people (this was before my comverstion) I conned to fulfill my WoW habit. I played the game for over 16 years. I might go back but I want to go back because God is telling me not because I want to go back. I do think God is calling me to video game ministry but he can't be calling me right now to a game that's only brought the worst of me.

I use more JFC Bombs when I'm playing World of Warcraf t than any o f ther game well.
OK, you made the right decision.
 
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Firstly. Computers are not magic. Electricity is not magic. Video games are not magic.

A lot of video games these days are like graphic, interactive novels.

It would not seem right to me to enjoy all novels any more than you can enjoy all movies.

Lord of the Rings includes depictions of magic but many christians think it's fairly decent, in part because there are catholic themes interwoven into the content. I personally would not think anything wrong of it. I also would not recommend enjoying gratuitous horror films. These do not involve good desires, but if you do enjoy that stuff, I'm not sure that abstinence is actually saving you. The desires are already in your heart. Something's wrong there.

As for what is or is not ok, I'm personally of the conviction that I can put myself into danger of falling away from Christ through self-effort.

That said, I'm inclined to stay away from legalists, especially of the variety who enjoy harming people over these things, but that's my preference -- I see it as no less than the sadism that is involved the likes of the horror flicks I avoid like the plague.

And, lastly, I usually avoid playing video games these days because it seems to me to be a waste of time and I just don't enjoy them like I used to. But I suppose if you can find real ministry opportunities it wouldn't be.
 
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Looking at it another way, the popularity of video games and films that have "magic" in them shows that kids have a healthy interest in the supernatural and paranormal, and when they get older they'll have hopefully outgrown them and turn to the Bible to satisfy their thirst for spiritual things.
After all, Jesus's 37 miracles can be regarded as a fascinating "superscience" that we know nothing about..:)
 
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..He's saying that being around video game magic isn't worth the "good" I could do by evangelizing there. And much good has come out of this. Because people have come to Christ due to God's work through me..

As you're bringing people to Christ, good for you; the pastor should give you a medal..:)
 
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Yesterday I got an email from my pastor. I had sent him an email because of his sermon last Sunday. It was about doing stuff for Jesus, and how we all are involved. This got me to thinking of a work I had began doing for Jesus about 2 or 3 years ago, and Larry had advised me to quit doing what I was doing because it was evil, and it didn't profit God any. It didn't matter what defenses or scriptures I used to support what I was doing, Larry ignored them all and quoted the verses that he wanted to use. Something that is a common trait of him. I'm not calling him a bad pastor because my wife and I love him, but I'm wondering if he is right in where he advised me.

So what am I doing? I've been evangelizing, if you will, here on the Christian Forums, which is not a problem, but what I thought could potentially be a problem is that I'd also evangelize outside of the Christian Forums, in sinful video games. Like, for example, World of Warcraft and the Diablo series and stuff. Since video games like that contain magic, I was wondering if I'm being stupid, which is basically what Larry is saying because it's... I don't know. He's saying that being around video game magic isn't worth the "good" I could do by evangelizing there. And much good has come out of this. Because people have come to Christ due to God's work through me.

So, is my pastor correct? Or should I continue doing what I'm doing, since it is doing good? I mean, my pastor has a point, that we are supposed to be holy as God is holy, but I can't get around all the good that my efforts have been doing and could continue to do.

There are many things in life that a grey area, magic in computer games is one of them. Have a look at the following scripture.

Ecc 7:16-17 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself? Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

What that verse refers to is the gray areas in life, if "we" feel we are not sinning, it should not be sin to us. Some people are very legalistic, to the point that they destroy their own lives, or the lives of others. That is what that verse is referring to. If you are feeling deprived by not being able to play and witness while using those games, then I feel it falls into the above gray category.

I used to play computer games with magic, but I have chosen to move away from it. But that is not to say you need to, especially if it was bearing spiritual fruit.
 
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