Who else is ready for an electric car?

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Problem is there’s no guarantee that any vehicle approaching a red light is actually going to stop so self driving cars can’t anticipate that because their sight is not as efficient as our’s.
I wish human drivers came with a guarantee like that.
 
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I have more confidence in myself than any computer when it comes to awareness and evasive maneuvers.
I have less confidence in most people than in a computer for awareness and evasive maneuvers.... unless and until computers start looking at their phones, that is.
 
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I have less confidence in most people than in a computer for awareness and evasive maneuvers.... unless and until computers start looking at their phones, that it.

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Each person can control this factor, the lag and error factor is beyond our control. Every time I buy a new iPhone, it works absolutely flawlessly out of the box. Two years later it never fails with every iPhone I’ve owned all the way back to my 4s they begin to have severe issues. Same thing happens with PCs. They work great until they don’t work great. I’d hate to be traveling at any speed when these self driving cars decide to have an error. There’s no telling what they’ll do.
 
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Each person can control this factor, the lag and error factor is beyond our control. Every time I buy a new iPhone, it works absolutely flawlessly out of the box. Two years later it never fails with every iPhone I’ve owned all the way back to my 4s they begin to have severe issues. Same thing happens with PCs. They work great until they don’t work great. I’d hate to be traveling at any speed when these self driving cars decide to have an error. There’s no telling what they’ll do.
Thats a great point. But I think there's a lot of freedom with phones to "move fast and break things" because the stakes arent so dire. Plus a million app developers are playing in the ecosystem. I think with vehicles the tolerances would be a lot tighter and lots of redundancies built in. We'll see....
 
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The fastest chargers can fully charge most vehicles in 45 minutes but not all chargers are the fastest and can take 3 or more hours. So if there’s a line you could be stuck waiting for several hours

I see this (electric vehicles) as only practical for a day or two driving around with out having to charge during the day. Then charge at night for the next day, but that depends on how far can a battery go on a charge.

Me personally i drive about on average 50-60 miles a day.
 
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I see this (electric vehicles) as only practical for a day or two driving around with out having to charge during the day. Then charge at night for the next day, but that depends on how far can a battery go on a charge.

Me personally i drive about on average 50-60 miles a day.

Most of them have an average range of 300 miles
 
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Thats a great point. But I think there's a lot of freedom with phones to "move fast and break things" because the stakes arent so dire. Plus a million app developers are playing in the ecosystem. I think with vehicles the tolerances would be a lot tighter and lots of redundancies built in. We'll see....

Come to think of it iPhones are a bad example because it’s common knowledge that the devs sabotage our devices with their software updates so they become less efficient forcing us to upgrade to a newer device. I don’t think this problem would occur in self drive vehicles, at least not on such a large scale as we see with smartphones.
 
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The fastest chargers can fully charge most vehicles in 45 minutes but not all chargers are the fastest and can take 3 or more hours. So if there’s a line you could be stuck waiting for several hours

Hi @BNR32FAN

So, who wants to wait 35-45 min. every 400 miles or so to fill up their tank on a 1,300 mile trip? When the same can now be done in about 4 minutes with gasoline in a hybrid model. My Lincoln MKZ has a 14gal. tank and I can fill it up in about 3 minutes and get another 500 miles to the next fill up. Although, realistically I don't drive my tank to empty, so I actually fill up about every 425-450 miles, but then I only get 12 gals at such fill-ups.

I'm calculating fill-up time from the time I get out of my car at the pump and get back in the car when I'm done, without considering any restroom or food purchases. If I do have to make a restroom stop, then I'm off the road for about 10 minutes. So, I still contend that under current technology, a hybrid system is the least time consuming, as regards refueling time. Whether it's cheaper or not is going to depend a lot on what a retailer's markup is for electric service.

Yes, we can all charge our EV's at home pretty cheaply, but a guy paying to run a charging station on the road is going to want to feed his family as a part of the bargain. Some guy who's invested in the new ABB charging system that charges in about 15 minutes, is likely to charge a retail 'premium' for that service. So the per Kw hour I pay at a charging station out on the road at 3 a.m., is likely to be a bit more costly.

Of course, just the cost of electricity isn't the only variable in EV fueling costs. Unless one is going to use their basic 110A outlet in the garage and a light duty extension cord, a charging system is usually installed and these can run, for the least expensive level 2 chargers, a couple of thousand dollars. A level 3 charger can run up to $20,000 to install in a home and requires a 480amp/hr circuit.

Then you have the more expensive tires that most EV's require if you want any kind of tire life. EV's, because of the weight of the battery pack and the additional torque on take off, tend to need heavier duty tires with a greater load carrying capacity than the standard tire for a similar model aspirated engine. From Continental tire information: Tires for electric vehicles carry a heavier load and have to withstand high instant torque, leading to higher tire wear, so we need tires with stronger constructions and more robust rubber compounds. Greater mass and increased inertia means longer braking distance, so we place a special emphasis on optimal grip.

So, while the cost of electricity is a large part of the savings in owning an EV, there have been studies that, when all variables are considered, they aren't necessarily a lot cheaper. One note: once a level 3 or level 2 charging station is installed, then that cost is going to be amortized over many years and likely many vehicles as the EV line of cars becomes greater and more widely purchased. I certainly can foresee a day when there won't be any aspirated engine cars sold, but that day is still a bit away. Just as we had when we changed over from leaded to unleaded gasoline, once reliable and readily recharged vehicles are available, it will likely take 10 years to rid the world of aspirated engines in personal vehicles.

Trucks will be the next big step. It's going to take quite a charging system to be able to charge some 18 wheeler to go across the country in the time it takes to now cross the country with diesel power. Truckers aren't going to want to sit around for hours to charge up their trucks under the current system which is strictly pay by miles driven/hour. If we add 5-6 hours to a cross country trip without making any pay allowance for the time a truck is being recharged, I doubt that many truckers will be on board.


God bless,
Ted
 
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Hi @BNR32FAN

So, who wants to wait 35-45 min. every 400 miles or so to fill up their tank on a 1,300 mile trip? When the same can now be done in about 4 minutes with gasoline in a hybrid model. My Lincoln MKZ has a 14gal. tank and I can fill it up in about 3 minutes and get another 500 miles to the next fill up. Although, realistically I don't drive my tank to empty, so I actually fill up about every 425-450 miles, but then I only get 12 gals at such fill-ups.

I'm calculating fill-up time from the time I get out of my car at the pump and get back in the car when I'm done, without considering any restroom or food purchases. If I do have to make a restroom stop, then I'm off the road for about 10 minutes. So, I still contend that under current technology, a hybrid system is the least time consuming, as regards refueling time. Whether it's cheaper or not is going to depend a lot on what a retailer's markup is for electric service.

Yes, we can all charge our EV's at home pretty cheaply, but a guy paying to run a charging station on the road is going to want to feed his family as a part of the bargain. Some guy who's invested in the new ABB charging system that charges in about 15 minutes, is likely to charge a retail 'premium' for that service. So the per Kw hour I pay at a charging station out on the road at 3 a.m., is likely to be a bit more costly.

Of course, just the cost of electricity isn't the only variable in EV fueling costs. Unless one is going to use their basic 110A outlet in the garage and a light duty extension cord, a charging system is usually installed and these can run, for the least expensive level 2 chargers, a couple of thousand dollars. A level 3 charger can run up to $20,000 to install in a home and requires a 480amp/hr circuit.

Then you have the more expensive tires that most EV's require if you want any kind of tire life. EV's, because of the weight of the battery pack and the additional torque on take off, tend to need heavier duty tires with a greater load carrying capacity than the standard tire for a similar model aspirated engine. From Continental tire information: Tires for electric vehicles carry a heavier load and have to withstand high instant torque, leading to higher tire wear, so we need tires with stronger constructions and more robust rubber compounds. Greater mass and increased inertia means longer braking distance, so we place a special emphasis on optimal grip.

So, while the cost of electricity is a large part of the savings in owning an EV, there have been studies that, when all variables are considered, they aren't necessarily a lot cheaper. One note: once a level 3 or level 2 charging station is installed, then that cost is going to be amortized over many years and likely many vehicles as the EV line of cars becomes greater and more widely purchased. I certainly can foresee a day when there won't be any aspirated engine cars sold, but that day is still a bit away. Just as we had when we changed over from leaded to unleaded gasoline, once reliable and readily recharged vehicles are available, it will likely take 10 years to rid the world of aspirated engines in personal vehicles.

Trucks will be the next big step. It's going to take quite a charging system to be able to charge some 18 wheeler to go across the country in the time it takes to now cross the country with diesel power. Truckers aren't going to want to sit around for hours to charge up their trucks under the current system which is strictly pay by miles driven/hour. If we add 5-6 hours to a cross country trip without making any pay allowance for the time a truck is being recharged, I doubt that many truckers will be on board.


God bless,
Ted

One thing to consider about CDL trucks is drivers are only allowed to drive, I believe it’s 10-12 hours before they’re required by law to take a break. I think it’s 10-12 hours of driving then an 8 hour break but I’m not 100% sure. They are required by law to keep a log of their driving and rest times. So with that in mind that could make electric CDL vehicles a possibility.
 
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