Futurist Only COP 26.. is it strengthening the Paris Climate Accords, a covenant with the many?

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I mean if you think about it, the Paris Accords was a form of Earth worship. Worshiping the creation instead of the creator. COP26 is showing greater committment to that Earth worship.

I could be off base.
But I'm considering the possibility and the theology/worship issues involved, and what it means to God.... it was all the nations of the world, declaring for the entire world, that mankind would worship the Earth.
That is possibly a deeper blasphemy than any political peace agreement that people always think it is.
 
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I mean if you think about it, the Paris Accords was a form of Earth worship. Worshiping the creation instead of the creator. COP26 is showing greater committment to that Earth worship.

I could be off base.
But considering the possibility and the theology/worship issues involved, and what it means to God.
I say no to the question in the title. However, I do agree and understand that the whole "man-made climate change" concept is just another way the wicked try to set their throne above the throne of God by claiming they control His creation, which they surely do not. Also, it is just another program to steal money from the people.

As to the widely used interpretation of Daniel 9:27, which many base their whole end time understanding upon, I see it quite differently. There are a number of manuscripts in both Hebrew and Greek that are rather different than the one that made it into the modern Bible. For example, here is the LXX version: [my notes from combined manuscripts and clarifications are in brackets]

Daniel 9:25 “'And you shall know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer [to Daniel's prayer] AND [from the going forth of the command] for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted.

26 “'And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed One shall be cut off, and there is no judgment in Him: and He shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed He shall appoint the city to desolations, 27 and one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week [Jesus] My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple [mount] shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.'”

Christ the Prince, the anointed one, His, He. This is all about Jesus Christ. Jesus established the covenant with many. Jesus IS God's sacrifice and drink offering that was taken away in the midst of the seven. The same "He" that was cut off, destroyed the city and sanctuary with a coming prince, and appointed the city to desolations, is the same He that established the covenant with many and is God's sacrifice and drink offering. Lastly, Gabriel tells Daniel that after these things the abomination of desolation would be built on the Temple Mount and remain until the end of time. The Islamic dome of the rock is that abomination sitting on the Temple Mount and has remained about 1300 years so far. Just as Daniel said.
I included all this to clarify why I said no to the title question. I am not looking for an evil covenant to come. Daniel 9 gives us three of the appointed times of Jesus. I hope I didn't derail your thread. I was just trying to give an explanation for my answer. Thanks.
 
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I say no to the question in the title. However, I do agree and understand that the whole "man-made climate change" concept is just another way the wicked try to set their throne above the throne of God by claiming they control His creation, which they surely do not. Also, it is just another program to steal money from the people.

As to the widely used interpretation of Daniel 9:27, which many base their whole end time understanding upon, I see it quite differently. There are a number of manuscripts in both Hebrew and Greek that are rather different than the one that made it into the modern Bible. For example, here is the LXX version: [my notes from combined manuscripts and clarifications are in brackets]

Daniel 9:25 “'And you shall know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer [to Daniel's prayer] AND [from the going forth of the command] for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks; and then shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted.

26 “'And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed One shall be cut off, and there is no judgment in Him: and He shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed He shall appoint the city to desolations, 27 and one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week [Jesus] My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple [mount] shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation.'”

Christ the Prince, the anointed one, His, He. This is all about Jesus Christ. Jesus established the covenant with many. Jesus IS God's sacrifice and drink offering that was taken away in the midst of the seven. The same "He" that was cut off, destroyed the city and sanctuary with a coming prince, and appointed the city to desolations, is the same He that established the covenant with many and is God's sacrifice and drink offering. Lastly, Gabriel tells Daniel that after these things the abomination of desolation would be built on the Temple Mount and remain until the end of time. The Islamic dome of the rock is that abomination sitting on the Temple Mount and has remained about 1300 years so far. Just as Daniel said.
I included all this to clarify why I said no to the title question. I am not looking for an evil covenant to come. Daniel 9 gives us three of the appointed times of Jesus. I hope I didn't derail your thread. I was just trying to give an explanation for my answer. Thanks.

Well the Dome of the Rock was built more than 1290 years ago so I don't think that's it.
 
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Well the Dome of the Rock was built more than 1290 years ago so I don't think that's it.

1290 years? Is that in the Bible somewhere? I know Daniel wrote about 1290 days, but 1290 years I don't know.
Also, there is more than one abomination of desolation in the scripture. An abomination of desolation is simply and idol/false god that causes God's presence to be desolate. He will not share His glory with another.
 
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1290 years? Is that in the Bible somewhere? I know Daniel wrote about 1290 days, but 1290 years I don't know.

well I thought you were going off the 1335 days from Daniel 12 and going days= years, sometimes people do that.
 
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well I thought you were going off the 1335 days from Daniel 12 and going days= years, sometimes people do that.

Oh, ok. I was just using a round number to approximate how long that abomination has been on the Temple Mount. About 1300 years. Not a reference to a scripture.
 
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Oh, ok. I was just using a round number to approximate how long that abomination has been on the Temple Mount. About 1300 years. Not a reference to a scripture.

It would have been a "close" but no Cigar thing.
 
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No to the OP question.
Climate Change is a satanic agenda and hangs on a litany if lies.
This is all about Jesus Christ. Jesus established the covenant with many.
Isaiah 28:14-15 proves you wrong. It is a treaty of peace between the people in the holy Land and the leader of the One World Govt.

The Lord does not do 7 year covenants.
 
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No to the OP question.
Climate Change is a satanic agenda and hangs on a litany if lies.

Isaiah 28:14-15 proves you wrong. It is a treaty of peace between the people in the holy Land and the leader of the One World Govt.

The Lord does not do 7 year covenants.

Yes, Satanic agenda.
which the covenant with many is .. also satanic agenda.
so you can't rule it out by that.

Nor does Isaiah 28 say anything about a treaty between Israel and a One World Government, that'd be Eisegesis

anyway, we'll see what comes out of Cop26.
If there's a 7 year plan?
well, that'd be a maybe wouldn't it?
 
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Nor does Isaiah 28 say anything about a treaty between Israel and a One World Government, that'd be Eisegesis
The 7 year peace treaty of Daniel 9:27a, is between the inhabitants of the holy Land, who will be the Christian peoples, and the leader of the rest of the world.
Yes; it will be a Satanic plot, that the Christian leaders will fall for, as Isaiah 28:14-15 clearly says.
As for COP 26, bringing all those people together, will add quite a few tons of the dreaded CO2 to our atmosphere.
I see it as a thinly veiled extortion of the rich nations to the poor, overpopulated and incompetently governed nations.
The Lord is very soon to dramatically change our climate.
Wait for the Day! Isaiah 24:1-23
 
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The 7 year peace treaty of Daniel 9:27a, is between the inhabitants of the holy Land, who will be the Christian peoples, and the leader of the rest of the world.
Yes; it will be a Satanic plot, that the Christian leaders will fall for, as Isaiah 28:14-15 clearly says.
As for COP 26, bringing all those people together, will add quite a few tons of the dreaded CO2 to our atmosphere.
I see it as a thinly veiled extortion of the rich nations to the poor, overpopulated and incompetently governed nations.
The Lord is very soon to dramatically change our climate.
Wait for the Day! Isaiah 24:1-23

Isaiah 28 says nothing about 7 years
or well
anything that you said.
So you are reading it into that verse.
That is Eisegesis.
 
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Isaiah 28 says nothing about 7 years
or well
anything that you said.
So you are reading it into that verse.
That is Eisegesis.
I believe that Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to the same 'covenant' as Daniel 9:27 does. Not a covenant, a fixed term peace agreement.
But what Daniel 11:32, refers to is the everlasting Covenant between God and His faithful Christian people.
THAT Covenant is violated by the 'many' agreeing to a peace treaty with the AC.

Accusations of eisegesis, are useless, Please provide scriptural proofs of what Isaiah 28:14-15 mean, if you reject the logical interpretation above.
 
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I believe that Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to the same 'covenant' as Daniel 9:27 does. Not a covenant, a fixed term peace agreement.
But what Daniel 11:32, refers to is the everlasting Covenant between God and His faithful Christian people.
THAT Covenant is violated by the 'many' agreeing to a peace treaty with the AC.

Accusations of eisegesis, are useless, Please provide scriptural proofs of what Isaiah 28:14-15 mean, if you reject the logical interpretation above.

The covenant itself is not what is 7 years, it is "making strong" the covenant for 7 years.
and I've heard a lot of theories as to what Daniel 9:27 refers to.
It is commonly TAUGHT as a "peace treaty" but that is an assumption, it is not plainly stated to what it is, meaning that people come to different theories on it.

One that I've considered is that a lot of people say it's referring to Jesus strengthening the New Testament in the last days, a la Joel 2:28.

But nothing in Isaiah 28 is very specific to the last days. Remember that Isaiah talks not only about the final indignation, but the first coming of Christ, and the Babylonian Captivity.
It's all jumbled together and sometimes can be difficult to sort out whether Isaiah was referring to the Babylonians, or the Great Tribulation, the first coming, or the second coming. Because it doesn't flow in a Chronological order and it all seems piled into the same series of events.

It is part of why the Pharisees did not recognize Jesus as Messiah, and why the disciples were let down when Jesus died.
Because they expected Jesus to bring in the New Heaven and New Earth right then and there.
They didn't understand He was supposed to die, then come back later.

So.. Isaiah 28 talks about Ephraim (Northern Kingdom), being swept away by the Assyrians, and a warning that Judah will meet the same fate. Are you absolutely certain, it's not about the Babylonian captivity? Because Isaiah hops around time a lot.

Besides "covenant with death" and "agreement with hell" isn't specifically a peace treaty with a nation or group of nations. Covenant just means a statement of promises. It could be peace, but it could also be something else.
 
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I mean if you think about it, the Paris Accords was a form of Earth worship. Worshiping the creation instead of the creator. COP26 is showing greater committment to that Earth worship.

I could be off base.
But I'm considering the possibility and the theology/worship issues involved, and what it means to God.... it was all the nations of the world, declaring for the entire world, that mankind would worship the Earth.
That is possibly a deeper blasphemy than any political peace agreement that people always think it is.
I'm watching the "Abraham Accords" for Daniel 9:27
 
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The covenant itself is not what is 7 years, it is "making strong" the covenant for 7 years.
This treaty is clearly for one 'week', that is: 7 years. And despite many people wanting to fit that 70th 'week' into Christ's first Advent, it remains unfulfilled.
This is proved by how it is divided into 2 halves, the first half will be peaceful, as the treaty holds, then the AoD happens and second half will be as described in Revelation; the Great Tribulation, then the Return of Jesus. No assumptions, all as told us in scripture.
 
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I'm watching the "Abraham Accords" for Daniel 9:27
Remember that the Islamic code of Al Takkqua, allows them to make 'accords' and promise anything, then break them at will.
Anyway, it is Iran who will do what they openly boast they will; wipe Israel off the map.
That will be their downfall. Jeremiah 49:32-37, Psalms 83
 
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This treaty is clearly for one 'week', that is: 7 years. And despite many people wanting to fit that 70th 'week' into Christ's first Advent, it remains unfulfilled.
This is proved by how it is divided into 2 halves, the first half will be peaceful, as the treaty holds, then the AoD happens and second half will be as described in Revelation; the Great Tribulation, then the Return of Jesus. No assumptions, all as told us in scripture.

The original covenant is not for a week or for 7 years.
The original covenant's length is not discussed.

In the KJV it's confirm the covenant for one week
in other translations it's "make strong the covenant"
in either case. it's an existing covenant, that is referred to, it's not a new treaty.

So like, it couldn't be the Abrahamic Accord, but it would be something that expands on the Abrahamic Accord, for instance. Or in this case, the COP26 would be expanding on the Paris Climate Agreements
it's the expansion of an existing covenant for 7 years
and it is only assumption that it's a peace treaty.
Covenant isn't always a peace treaty. It's a set of promises, and it's not always bilateral. God made a one sided, unconditional covenant with the Earth after the flood.
 
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Isaiah 28:14-15 proves you wrong. It is a treaty of peace between the people in the holy Land and the leader of the One World Govt.

The Lord does not do 7 year covenants.

I never said anything about the Lord making a seven year covenant, neither did Daniel. During a specific seven year period appointed for Israel only, the Lord made a covenant with many. After that, the gospel went forth to the Gentiles. Cornelius being the first. I know you do not agree so I'm not trying to argue about it. I just wanted to clarify my position.
Also, the Isaiah 28 passage is something you will see soon when the drunkards of Ephraim at Jerusalem violently reject Elijah preaching the gospel.
 
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I never said anything about the Lord making a seven year covenant, neither did Daniel. During a specific seven year period appointed for Israel only, the Lord made a covenant with many. After that, the gospel went forth to the Gentiles. Cornelius being the first. I know you do not agree so I'm not trying to argue about it. I just wanted to clarify my position.
Also, the Isaiah 28 passage is something you will see soon when the drunkards of Ephraim at Jerusalem violently reject Elijah preaching the gospel.

I disagree with it being fulfilled in the past, but I definitely think on the possibility that it is a 7 year strengthening of the new covenant by Jesus.
Then again, because I'm not "pre-trib" that makes that a possibility. For a pre-trib believer, that'd be impossible.

Because I do not have a definitive answer on it, I'm open to multiple possibilities on it.
about all I can do is pray and meditate about all of them.
 
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