Time of the Sabbath

The Sabbath according to God is one day in seven days, I particularly don't think which day is important as long as you don't work through.

For us Messianic Jews its from Sunset Friday night till Sunset Saturday night and this changes where ever you are on the globe due to the different sunset times.

This has been this way for about 5000 years.

I celebrate the Sabbath from sunset on Friday until sunset on Sabbath (Saturday).

SFG,
you said;
"The Sabbath according to God is one day in seven days, I particularly don't think which day is important as long as you don't work through."

The Sabbath is SPECIFICALLY the seventh day. He blessed and sanctified one SPECIFIC day for us. Man has NEVER had the power to remove God's blessing and put it wheresoever he chose. Your comment in extremely un-Biblical, and with no disrespect...it is also blasphemous.

adam332 said:

SFG,
you said;
"The Sabbath according to God is one day in seven days, I particularly don't think which day is important as long as you don't work through."

The Sabbath is SPECIFICALLY the seventh day. He blessed and sanctified one SPECIFIC day for us. Man has NEVER had the power to remove God's blessing and put it wheresoever he chose. Your comment in extremely un-Biblical, and with no disrespect...it is also blasphemous.

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Just wondering adam332 if you had any thoughts on Col. 1:16-17 -- "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Are you living now in the shadow of the Sabbath or do you still observe the law of the Sabbath as being a particular day?

Just curious.

Mark.

The answer is in the chapter itself(chapter 2 BTW).

First, let me note that the book of Colossians was written approximately 30 yrs following Jesus' time on earth. Yet, it speaks of the Sabbath as being a shadow of something that is still to come, in the future tense!

Meanwhile, the ordinances that are nailed to the cross are spoken of in the past tense.

The context of the chapter is the traditions of men.

4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind
22 Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Much could be said at this point...but I'll try to make it concise.

1. Q-Is there any record in the Bible of Christ being accused of breaking the Sabbath?
1. A-Yes. (Let no man therefore judge you...of the sabbath)

2. Q-By what authority were their accusations founded?
2. A-By mans ordinances found in the Mishnah, not the Bible.(Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us)

3. Q-Were the accusations confirmed?
3. A-No, Christ openly disobeyed their man-made concepts of Sabbath keeping, as well He publically backed up His actions with Biblical examples.(he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.)

As I already said...there is much more to be found in this chapter...but this should answer that which is immediately relevant.

adam332 said:

SFG,
you said;
"The Sabbath according to God is one day in seven days, I particularly don't think which day is important as long as you don't work through."

The Sabbath is SPECIFICALLY the seventh day. He blessed and sanctified one SPECIFIC day for us. Man has NEVER had the power to remove God's blessing and put it wheresoever he chose. Your comment in extremely un-Biblical, and with no disrespect...it is also blasphemous.

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But which is the seventh day? We haven't kept track since genesis, and taking according to any particular culture seems somewhat incorrect.

WanderingMagi

seangoh said:

I would like to hear views particularly from Sabbatarians on the time Sabbath starts and when it ends and why they say it's so.

3 nominations:
6pm to 6pm (Sat night)
730pm to 730pm(Sat night)
12mn to 12mn (Sun morn)

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Wouldn't sleep to sleep be easier?
Is a day not a period of activity (that's the whole point, after all)? Therefore, it cannot end until our activity does. On the other hand, this would require that you slept at some point during the hours of darkness. It isn't a solid rule, but then it is less arbitary (& therefore we need read less into scripture) than solid rules.
Where I come from (strict Sabbath observance) we didn't talk about it. We didn't need to. A day is the bit when you are awake, or, rather, the light bit when people are noramlly awake with some dark for extra awakeness tacked on. Defining some hour when you can suddenly start digging ditches or planting turnips just didn't seem quite right...

WanderingMagi

If you want to know when the sabbath begins and ends, simply check the candle-lighting times:


http://www.chabad.org/calendar/candlelighting.asp

~cleopa

seangoh said:

I would like to hear views particularly from Sabbatarians on the time Sabbath starts and when it ends and why they say it's so.

3 nominations:
6pm to 6pm (Sat night)
730pm to 730pm(Sat night)
12mn to 12mn (Sun morn)

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Hi seangoh,

Regarding the day the Sabbath falls on, according to scripture, it's Saturday the seventh day. There are many proof texts the speak of the Saturday being the Sabbath. One example is when Jesus was on the cross the Pharisees wanted Him taken down before the next day which Saturday the Sabbath.

John 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Mary went to the tomb Sunday morning the day after the Sabbath to find it empty.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

So as far as what day the Sabbath is, it's Saturday the seventh day.

Now that we know the literal Sabbath, lets look at the spiritual Sabbath. We know that the law is spiritual to be applied inwardly.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Jesus helped us to understand that it's not what we do outwardly but how we think inwardly that God is going to hold us accountable.

Matthew 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

To commit murder all you have to do is hate, hate is an inward thing and is the root of murder starting in the mind.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Prior to being born again, the law is written on stone, after receiving the Spirit, the law is know written on our hearts as an expression of love towards God and neighbor. Jesus becomes the Sabbath or inward rest, we rest in the fact that Jesus took the hand writing that is against us which is contained in the law and nailed it to the cross.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Jesus didn't take the law away, just what was contained in the law that was held against us in order to cleanse our conscience. Once our conscience is clear we can know love with a good conscience and a pure heart.

1 Timothy 1:5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,

When we have the Spirit of Jesus living inside us, He will direct of lives through convictions.

1 John 3:18-21 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

The peace and love of Christ will keep us and guard our hearts.

Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died.

This is the inward Sabbath rest but the outward is loving God. If we look at the law we will find that the first four has to do with how to express our love towards God and the last six has to do with expressing of love toward one another.

If God made one special day that He blessed and sanctified and gave us so that we could express our love for Him I think it would be the Sabbath day. What we have to be careful of is that we listen to the Spirit conviction in our hearts. If the Spirit affirms in our heart, through scripture, which day to gather on, the this is what we need hear, not anyone else. We will give account of our conscience on the last day.

John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

IF YOU LOVE ME...IF YOU WANT TO LOVE ME, keep my commandments.

Peace to you in Christ,
John

k4c,
I hate to nit-pick about the Sabbath with a fellow Sabbatarian, which I assume that you are...but I try to be objective regardless...thus I call it like I see it.

You said;
"Jesus helped us to understand that it's not what we do outwardly but how we think inwardly that God is going to hold us accountable."

This is not accurate...inwardly is where it starts but is by no means, where it ends.

Take any of the other nine commands and you will find that you can not break the letter of the law without first having broke the spirit of the law.

In other words.... the mere thought of murder is the breaking of the law even before you have committed the literal act. So on and so forth with the other commands does this stand true. The Sabbath is no exception to this rule. You cannot break the letter of the law without having first broken the spirit of the law.

Many try to spiritualize the Sabbath to the point that they convince themselves they can break the letter of that law but still have managed to keep the spirit of the Sabbath. They do so without believing that the same is possible for the other nine.

This is extremely inconsistent practice of doctrine. What is true for the other nine commands, is true for the Sabbath command as well...anything less should be a warning sign that one is trying to justify thier breaking of that command, so they have given it it's own set of standards. Simply put, it is bad theology, and poor method of Biblical application.

I am not sure if that is what you were implying...but I have seen this inconsistent application by many Sunday advocates and feel your comments lead to the root of such justification.
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You said;
"Jesus becomes the Sabbath or inward rest, we rest in the fact that Jesus took the hand writing that is against us which is contained in the law and nailed it to the cross."

Christ has always been whom His people should rest in. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, and always has been. He made the Sabbath for His people to rest in Him, this has not changed since it's inception. Just as murder has always been a sin, the breaking of the Sabbath has always been a sin.

Secondly, I suspect that you did not pay attention to my previous post about Col. 2. The focus of that chapter was mens doctrines and those who hold such as the standard instead of God's laws. The ordinances that were against us are not in His holy word but found in mans traditions that are contrary to His holy word.

Christ was accused and judged, by those who would claim to be experts in the law, of breaking the Sabbath. But note, none of His actions were forbidden by scripture. The charges against Him with regards to the Sabbath were founded in the Mishnah, which was man's ordinances about God's law...therefore let no one judge you on the Sabbath. Why? Because it is not their standards that count...it is Gods alone. Paul consistent theme throughout the book of Colossians was Christ's divinity and authority. And, in that chapter in particular Paul establishes Christ authority by repeatedly comparing it to the fallible doctrines of men. Psa. 118:8 does the same using much less words.

Please check my post again and read the chapter again while considering the many accusations of sinful behavior that were lodged against Christ. This chapter is not telling us anything new...it is simply addressing that which we already know in a different manner.

The inference to specific events is undeniable, some of which involved Christ and others were surely issues that were coming about in said Church. Therefore Paul, gave them this letter for better Biblical application of doctrine and probably to clear up areas of dispute that were made known to him.

cleopa_of_emmaus said:

If you want to know when the sabbath begins and ends, simply check the candle-lighting times:


http://www.chabad.org/calendar/candlelighting.asp

~cleopa

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Should I therefore keep the Sabbath exactly as set out in the Mishnah? I doubt it - that withered hand keeps coming up again.

We shouldn't adhere to Jewish practice because it is Jewish but but because it is right, where that is the case, something that must be checked in the bible.

WanderingMagi

adam332 said:

k4c,
I hate to nit-pick about the Sabbath with a fellow Sabbatarian, which I assume that you are...but I try to be objective regardless...thus I call it like I see it.

You said;
"Jesus helped us to understand that it's not what we do outwardly but how we think inwardly that God is going to hold us accountable."

This is not accurate...inwardly is where it starts but is by no means, where it ends.

Take any of the other nine commands and you will find that you can not break the letter of the law without first having broke the spirit of the law.

In other words.... the mere thought of murder is the breaking of the law even before you have committed the literal act. So on and so forth with the other commands does this stand true. The Sabbath is no exception to this rule. You cannot break the letter of the law without having first broken the spirit of the law.

Many try to spiritualize the Sabbath to the point that they convince themselves they can break the letter of that law but still have managed to keep the spirit of the Sabbath. They do so without believing that the same is possible for the other nine.

This is extremely inconsistent practice of doctrine. What is true for the other nine commands, is true for the Sabbath command as well...anything less should be a warning sign that one is trying to justify thier breaking of that command, so they have given it it's own set of standards. Simply put, it is bad theology, and poor method of Biblical application.

I am not sure if that is what you were implying...but I have seen this inconsistent application by many Sunday advocates and feel your comments lead to the root of such justification.
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You said;
"Jesus becomes the Sabbath or inward rest, we rest in the fact that Jesus took the hand writing that is against us which is contained in the law and nailed it to the cross."

Christ has always been whom His people should rest in. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, and always has been. He made the Sabbath for His people to rest in Him, this has not changed since it's inception. Just as murder has always been a sin, the breaking of the Sabbath has always been a sin.

Secondly, I suspect that you did not pay attention to my previous post about Col. 2. The focus of that chapter was mens doctrines and those who hold such as the standard instead of God's laws. The ordinances that were against us are not in His holy word but found in mans traditions that are contrary to His holy word.

Christ was accused and judged, by those who would claim to be experts in the law, of breaking the Sabbath. But note, none of His actions were forbidden by scripture. The charges against Him with regards to the Sabbath were founded in the Mishnah, which was man's ordinances about God's law...therefore let no one judge you on the Sabbath. Why? Because it is not their standards that count...it is Gods alone. Paul consistent theme throughout the book of Colossians was Christ's divinity and authority. And, in that chapter in particular Paul establishes Christ authority by repeatedly comparing it to the fallible doctrines of men. Psa. 118:8 does the same using much less words.

Please check my post again and read the chapter again while considering the many accusations of sinful behavior that were lodged against Christ. This chapter is not telling us anything new...it is simply addressing that which we already know in a different manner.

The inference to specific events is undeniable, some of which involved Christ and others were surely issues that were coming about in said Church. Therefore Paul, gave them this letter for better Biblical application of doctrine and probably to clear up areas of dispute that were made known to him.

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Hi ADAM332,

The law is not to make one righteous before God, the law is to reveal sin. Sin is how we think, it's who we are. Jesus will clean the inside of the cup, the outside will be cleansed as a result.

The Pharisees had the outside cleansed but the inside was dead mens bones.

The law is the doctor that reveals the tumor, Jesus is the surgeon.

As a man thinks in his heart, that's who he is.

Man looks at the outside, God looks at the heart.

The law never made anyone righteous, to make yourself righteous by the law you would have to keep everyone perfectly. The Pharisees thought they had it covered but Jesus revealed their heart.

The law is spiritual to be understood inwardly.

We are carnal, sold under sin.

To stand up against the law we are dead and hopeless.

To rest in Christ we have freedom to worship God in love with a good conscience a pure heart and a sincere faith.

Yes, the Sabbath is part of the law but not to make one righteous but rather to express our love to a God we can't see.

Do you love God? Then keep His commandments. Do you love your neighbor? Then don't steal from him.

How we keep God's commandments is determined by our conscience.

Is all lying a sin? Under the law of righteousness it is but under the law of love it's not. Why? Because some lies are necessary and does not go against conscience.

If we have Jesus living inside us and He is our Lord and Savior, His peace will keep us. When we lose the peace of Christ we are straying away from truth. That peace is experienced in the conscience.

Jesus is our Sabbath, He will direct our path. So is Sunday your day to gather, praise God, maybe He has you there to be a witness of His love to those who don't know Him.

Who are we to tell anyone how to express their love to God? We can only govern people according to outward behavior pertaining to each other.

What ever day we gather on does not change the seventh day Sabbath of the letter, it still remains on Saturday but we are not of the letter, we are of the Spirit in which we are lead through the conscience. 1 John 3:18-21

Peace to you my brother in Christ,
John

Well, I agree that keeping the law does not make you righteous. I never indicated in the slightest that it did. Works save no-one. Works performed as a manifestation of your love is the only works that are considered. Anything less is false works and does not fool God, He knows the heart.

Sin is sin, period. We cannot redefine sin to fit our lives, this falls back to taking your own doctrines over God. If you think that some lying is ok, simply because your conscience doesn't affect you when you do it, then you are wrong.

As far as the Sabbath goes, there is nothing you or I can do about it. It is ONE SPECIFIC DAY, period. No man has the power to substitute another day for it, period. He has blessed a specific day for our use...so it's quite simple...if you want the Sabbath blessing then keep THE SABBATH. You cannot get the Sabbath blessing by trying to keep another day as you would the Sabbath.

This would be like trying to purchase an aircraft carrier at a butcher shop, they simply don't sell it no matter how much you may want them to. You cannot make your butcher sell it, just as you can't make God switch the day He blessed.

If your sincere faith, good conscience etc... tells you it is ok to break His holy word either in letter or in spirit...it does not come from God.


There are many who sincerely believe it is ok to murder abortion doctors...their sincerity and conviction does not make them correct. The Bible speaks strongly against what you appear to be promoting...which seems to be that mans personal feelings can make sin not to be sin anymore.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Explain to me how someone who has knowledge of His commands and who professes to believe in God could murder someone every week, without repentance or any intention to stop, which is unnacceptable...yet, that same person could break the Sabbath every single week, without repentance or intention to stop, and it could be acceptable?

You cannot have your own set of standards for the Sabbath. If such behavior cannot be applied to all the other commands then it cannot be applied to the Sabbath command, period.

As I already explained, before you have broken the letter of the law...you had already broken the spirit of it!

adam332 said:

Well, I agree that keeping the law does not make you righteous. I never indicated in the slightest that it did. Works save no-one. Works performed as a manifestation of your love is the only works that are considered. Anything less is false works and does not fool God, He knows the heart.

Sin is sin, period. We cannot redefine sin to fit our lives, this falls back to taking your own doctrines over God. If you think that some lying is ok, simply because your conscience doesn't affect you when you do it, then you are wrong.

As far as the Sabbath goes, there is nothing you or I can do about it. It is ONE SPECIFIC DAY, period. No man has the power to substitute another day for it, period. He has blessed a specific day for our use...so it's quite simple...if you want the Sabbath blessing then keep THE SABBATH. You cannot get the Sabbath blessing by trying to keep another day as you would the Sabbath.

This would be like trying to purchase an aircraft carrier at a butcher shop, they simply don't sell it no matter how much you may want them to. You cannot make your butcher sell it, just as you can't make God switch the day He blessed.

If your sincere faith, good conscience etc... tells you it is ok to break His holy word either in letter or in spirit...it does not come from God.


There are many who sincerely believe it is ok to murder abortion doctors...their sincerity and conviction does not make them correct. The Bible speaks strongly against what you appear to be promoting...which seems to be that mans personal feelings can make sin not to be sin anymore.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Explain to me how someone who has knowledge of His commands and who professes to believe in God could murder someone every week, without repentance or any intention to stop, which is unnacceptable...yet, that same person could break the Sabbath every single week, without repentance or intention to stop, and it could be acceptable?

You cannot have your own set of standards for the Sabbath. If such behavior cannot be applied to all the other commands then it cannot be applied to the Sabbath command, period.

As I already explained, before you have broken the letter of the law...you had already broken the spirit of it!

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Hi ADAM332,

I agree that we can not change the literal Sabbath day but we have to remember that the written law on stone is a shadow of an inward truth.

When dealing with the literal day of Sabbath it's Saturday. But the Sabbath day is a picture of the inward rest that Jesus was to bring to the believer. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, in other words, Jesus governs our rest from the works of the law. Jesus doesn't tell us not to obey the law but He does define the law for us in our daily lives. The literal Sabbath day rest was made for man so that he could rest his body. I find no where in the bible where God calls us to gather on the Sabbath day. I do find the early believers gathering on the Sabbath as it was their custom. I keep the literal Sabbath day because God blessed it and sanctified it, what better day to gather together to reflect on God's love than the day God set aside for us.

As far as lying, I believe what makes a lie a sin is the motive. The spirit of the law is love. If my lie is to preserve life or to bring about good then I believe it's not sin. Rahab lied to save the spies and she was counted righteous and was saved. King Solomon lied when he said he would cut the baby in half in order to reveal the true mother and he was called the wisest man that ever lived. God sends lying spirits to people to bring about a good work. God is a discerner of the intents of the heart, He knows your motive in all things, even the good things.

As far as outward sin, no sin can be committed without it first being committed in the heart. Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

What is sin? Sin is anything that is not of faith. Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is condemned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith:for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Faith is understanding, the understand of Christ. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Sin is lawlessness, 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

To be lawless is to be without God's governing authority in our lives.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, to be Lord of the Sabbath is an inward work, He is the governing authority in our lives through our conscience.

As we seek after God through His word He will sharpen our conscience by the washing of water by the word. Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

In other words, did you know, prior to reading your bible, that eating or drinking something that offended a weaker brother was your sin? After reading your bible you now know this so your conscience is now sharper to the ways of God.

1 John 3:18-21 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

As far as people murdering people, God says you will know them by their fruit.

Truth in love,
John

k4c,
you said;
"As far as lying, I believe what makes a lie a sin is the motive. The spirit of the law is love. If my lie is to preserve life or to bring about good then I believe it's not sin."

What you believe is not the issue...
Isa. 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

We are searching for whether it is Biblical or not.
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You said;
"Rahab lied to save the spies and she was counted righteous and was saved."

Yes, Rahab was counted righteous. But, nowhere does the Bible indicate that her lie was ok, righteous, approved, or in any other way alright. I'm sure I don't need to list the many Godly people or the un-Godly behavior they have displayed from time to time.
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You said;
"King Solomon lied when he said he would cut the baby in half in order to reveal the true mother and he was called the wisest man that ever lived."

First, it could be said that this was a test to reveal the truth and not to hide it. Secondly, where in the scripture does it say that this was a lie? Is this again your opinion? Has God granted you the wisdom that He gave Solomon?
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You said;
"God sends lying spirits to people to bring about a good work."

God can and has instructed the breaking of His commands. Has He instructed you to do so?

Again, His ways are not yours.
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You said;
"God is a discerner of the intents of the heart, He knows your motive in all things, even the good things."

Exactly! So why do you think you are able to discern your own heart?

Jer. 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
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Can you murder and it be justifiable?
Can you steal and it be justifiable?
Can you use the Lord's name in vain and it be justifiable?
ETC........

It seems that you have given your personal standards to the commandments regarding the Sabbath and Lying by trying to read more into scripture than is there. It also appears that you have equated your thoughts with God's.

What you apply to one command, must be applied to all...anything less is obvious justification for the breaking of His commands.

You do not need permission to lie, kill, break the Sabbath, etc... God has given you freedom of choice to do such if you so choose. But, please don't try to convince others that their own justifications make breaking the spirit or letter of God's laws ok.

Mat. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.