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I have three children and I want a relationship with them because I love them. If they do not want a relationship with me someday that would make me immensely sad, but I would not threaten them to keep them in a relationship they do not want because I do love them. I don't have that option with the Christian God.

My life is not in darkness, nor do I have cosmic sins that I need to atone for. I am not tainted or evil or lost or etc. I am a person that has done good and bad things. The bad things I do I ask for forgiveness from the people I have hurt and try to forgive people that have hurt me. I will not bow down to your unsubstantiated accusations that I am somehow less than or deficient in some manner. I believed that for too long.

I can assure you that you are not less or deficient in any manner. God does not see you in this way. He sent His Son to die for you, because He loves you that deeply. But He is Holy and righteous, a just God, without any sin, so the smallest lie to Him is like murder. And the smallest lies probably have meant the death to someone, because sin has consequences. Adam and Eve ate from the tree God clearly told them not to eat from and sin came into the world this way. But He made a way out and all He asks is for people to love Him. And it honestly is hard to understand why someone would not want to choose a relationship with an all powerful, all loving, all knowing God who would basically die in flesh for you. God does not send people to Hell. People choose for themselves to go to Hell.

Deuteronomy 30:19

This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
 
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Human to God analogies only go so far. We are talking about the Creator and Savior of all mankind here and not a human parent and children relationship.
So you never gave a reason as to why my analogy is invalid.

I used to be an atheist, too. I also denied His existence at one point in time. But God has an interesting way of opening up our eyes to His existence. For me: It was love. God used love in my life to guide me to Him.
I have never claimed god does not exist. I just have not seen good evidence to conclude that a god does exist.

Sometimes we have to come to the end of ourselves before we can admit the truth of God and His Word. It takes time for some to admit the truth.
What does this even mean? What does end to myself mean?

When I was losing my faith I begged God to show me He exists through tears many times. I wanted to believe and was open to believing. I considered myself a wretched sinner and God never talked to me in any way. What more did I need to do? If He wants a relationship He has the power to start that relationship. Apparently I don't.

But all are without excuse of His existence (Romans 1:20).
When Christians quote this verse to nonbelievers it just gives good evidence that God does not exist. I am sorry but you don't know my mind better than I do. That is beyond arrogance. I believe you when you say you believe God exists. Why won't you show me the same respect and believe me when I say I don't believe God exists.
 
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I can assure you that you are not less or deficient in any manner. God does not see you in this way. He sent His Son to die for you, because He loves you that deeply.
The bible says that I am a sinner and never do any good.

But He is Holy and righteous, a just God, without any sin, so the smallest lie to Him is like murder. And the smallest lies probably have meant the death to someone, because sin has consequences. Adam and Eve ate from the tree God clearly told them not to eat from and sin came into the world this way. But He made a way out and all He asks is for people to love Him. And it honestly is hard to understand why someone would not want to choose a relationship with an all powerful, all loving, all knowing God who would basically die in flesh for you.
Because He does not want a relationship with me, He wants a relationship with a version of me that acts just like Jesus. I am not that person. God wants nothing to do with me unless I conform to the likeness of Jesus. He will send me to hell if I don't act just like Jesus. That is not who I am, my flaws and failures also make up who I am today. I am not Jesus righteousness, I am a flawed human and I am happy with who I am, not an artificial Jesus clone.

God does not send people to Hell. People choose for themselves to go to Hell.
Oh good. I will choose not to go to hell.

Deuteronomy 30:19

This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
I choose life then.

Why do you believe this is true?
 
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Halloween is like Mardi Gras. It has religious roots-- as per Mardi Gras, the day before Ash Wednesday--way back when. It became intermixed with a touch of pagan customs and evolved into a secular celebration--a time for parading, dressing up in costumes, drinking, and just having fun.

Not to get off topic. But I like the concurrent Dia de los Muertos (Day of the Dead) holiday in Mexico and some other Latin American countries. It's a Hispanic take on All Saint's and All Souls Day. Where families honor loved ones who have passed on. I first saw the ofrendas (offerings) years ago when I was in San Antonio in early November for a conference. We took a tour of the old Spanish missions, which are still used for services. Quite a few ofrendas had been set up. They're altars, which display photos of the deceased and items associated with his/her life. They include skulls, and skeletons as symbols of death. And the altars are often elaborately decorated with flowers. It's a nice custom. I remember one ofrenda with an old photo of a very distinguished gentleman. His display included bottles of tequila and bourbon, a six-pack of beer, a box of cigars, and a carton of cigarettes. Which is probably why he was deceased. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Why should I believe your interpret over another Christians interpretation that believes eternal torture in hell?

Well, if you were to look at the thread link, you can test and see the weight of evidence points more heavily in favor to the truth of Conditional Immortality (i.e. the wicked will be annihilated in the Lake of Fire).

For there are only about 5 major verses in Scripture that appear at first glance to teach Eternal Torment.

  1. Daniel 12:2
  2. Matthew 25:46
  3. Mark 9:44 (Same: Mark 9:48) (Similar to Matthew 25:41).
  4. Revelation 14:11
  5. Revelation 20:10

For all of these verses can be explained properly in light of comparing Scripture with Scripture. You can check out my explanations starting in this post here.
 
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Well, if you were to look at the thread link, you can test and see the weight of evidence points more heavily in favor to the truth of Conditional Immortality (i.e. the wicked will be annihilated in the Lake of Fire).

For there are only about 5 major verses in Scripture that appear at first glance to teach Eternal Torment.

  1. Daniel 12:2
  2. Matthew 25:46
  3. Mark 9:44 (Same: Mark 9:48) (Similar to Matthew 25:41).
  4. Revelation 14:11
  5. Revelation 20:10

For all of these verses can be explained properly in light of comparing Scripture with Scripture. You can check out my explanations starting in this post here.
This does not answer my question. Why should I believe your interpretation over another Christians interpretation that believes in hell using bible versus as their support?
 
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Because He does not want a relationship with me, He wants a relationship with a version of me that acts just like Jesus. I am not that person. God wants nothing to do with me unless I conform to the likeness of Jesus. He will send me to hell if I don't act just like Jesus. That is not who I am, my flaws and failures also make up who I am today. I am not Jesus righteousness, I am a flawed human and I am happy with who I am, not an artificial Jesus clone.

No comment. That just needed repeating.
 
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This does not answer my question. Why should I believe your interpretation over another Christians interpretation that believes in hell using bible versus as their support?

Yes, it does answer your question. Like I said before, I provided a more weightier argument with Scripture. If you want to attack God’s Word (or God) for the false belief of Eternal Torment, then it is based on a faulty premise or belief. For you obviously expressed a problem with ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment). This is because it is not biblical and I demonstrate that in my thread for any rational person who does not have any preconceived beliefs. Most Christians believe in ECT because that is what they were taught by the churches they went to. It is the most popular Protestant or evangelical belief or those who claim to follow the Bible alone as their authority. But just because something is popular does not make it true. They are wrong. They are also wrong on their understanding of Soteriology, as well. Many in Christianity today think they can sin and still be saved on some level. Some try to hide it well, but I can usually in most cases spot their belief a mile a while. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 has predicted that in the last times perilous times will come and there will be those who are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. They will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.


Side Note:

If you don’t believe the Bible in general to begin with, then you have no grounds to attack it for a false premise because you really do not want to know what it truly teaches in a good way. You will only seek to find fault with God’s Word because it does not align with your life. You are not really seeking for the good answers, but you are only seeking to throw fiery darts at God’s Word. This is not a proper way to understand God’s Word. One needs to have the Spirit and live for the Lord to truly know what His Word teaches. If not, you are only looking to what you want to see (Which is to point out something wrong when there is no wrong with it).
 
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The bible says that I am a sinner and never do any good.

On your own without God… this is true. Without God, a person can only imitate the actions of doing good like an actor who plays a part or role in a movie. God is good alone (Mark 10:18). Scripture tells us that God (Christ) is the One who ultimately does the work within a believer.

Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10
Hebrews 12:1-2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22-24 (cf. Matthew 7:16-18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26-27


When we obey God’s Word, we are seeking to please Him, and not ourselves. Whenever a person does good without God, they are being motivated outside of God’s purpose. They are focused on self in some way. Even if they are selfless, if they do so without God, they are still acting on their own outside of the Creator and Savior plans for their life. God never intended man to be without Him anymore than we are intended to be without oxygen. You don’t think God exists, and so you think you can do good without Him. This is only a lie or an illusion you have convinced yourself of because you don’t want the Creator and Savior (Jesus) in your life when you can have Him in your life. You simply are making up imagined excuses to turn your Creator and Savior away.

You said:
Because He does not want a relationship with me, He wants a relationship with a version of me that acts just like Jesus. I am not that person. God wants nothing to do with me unless I conform to the likeness of Jesus. He will send me to hell if I don't act just like Jesus. I am not Jesus righteousness, I am a flawed human and I am happy with who I am, not an artificial Jesus clone.

If you were to study the Bible, you would realize that each major believer had their own unique personality, talents, and gifts. There are gifts and talents that are different among the body of Christ. So we are not just clones. When believers follow Jesus, and conform to His image of living righteously, each believer has their own unique talents and personalities that contribute to that. Some may desire in helping the poor more. Others are extremely talented at preaching the gospel. Others can use their artistic talents to spread the Word of God to others. Others are great teachers. Others know how to listen well, and help properly the brethren. Each person contributes in their own unique way according to their talents, and personalities.

Also, lets just say you do become a mindless clone whereby you cannot be creative, and or express the person in who you are (Which is not the case): Do we really have any rights to boast in being our own gods? For that is what your really proposing. Back in the Garden of Eden, God did not want Adam and Eve to eat of the wrong tree because they would have the knowledge of good and evil and be like God. Even the devil said to Eve that they will be like gods if they ate of the tree (God did not want them to eat of). So when we sin and we do our own thing, we are being like our own god. We are calling the shots and doing what we please instead of pleasing God. God created us, and God died for our sins. So we have no rights to sin and or do evil and or run our own lives. Sure, you are free to do that, but just know that one day you will have to face the Creator and Savior (Jesus) and explain yourself to Him and your actions as to why you were not willing to accept Him. For God made you, and died for your sins. Why wouldn’t you want to live for Him? He is after all the Creator of all things and knows more about you than you do. You think you know better than God.

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That is not who I am, my flaws and failures also make up who I am today.

If Rick put a little bit of the right poison in Bob’s water, he is going to slowly die over time.
But to say Bob wants to drink poison slowly because it is their life, and it is an expression of who they are they would not be doing something that was good for them and neither would they be setting a good example for others. Usually folks think their sins or bad things they done are not all that bad. But of course God will reveal all things that are hidden.

“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.” (Luke 8:17).

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Deuteronomy 30:19

This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live.
You said:
Oh good. I will choose not to go to hell.

I choose life then.

This sounds like you are mocking God’s Word.
It sounds like you really don’t want life as God offers it.
It sounds like you only want life on your own terms but it doesn’t work like that.

You said:
Why do you believe this is true?

Christians believe in verses like these because of the changed life and heart God gave them when they stepped out in faith in seeking forgiveness with Him. They came forth and tasted that the Lord was good. For if we draw near to Him, He will draw near to us (See: James 4:8). Walking by faith is something that we as Christians do to please God. For Hebrews 11:6 says without faith, it is impossible to please Him. We trust God and that He is good, and we can see that He is by the good He does in our life. Many believers who are converted and changed by the Lord spiritually receive a love, joy, and peace that cannot compare to the pleasures of sin that this world has to offer.

Think.

There are lots of people whose lives who have been changed or transformed by Jesus Christ. People who were enslaved to sin, drugs, sexual immorality, etc. were set free by our Lord. Then there is the way God talks to His people in divine and mysterious ways. To say this is all in the person’s imagination is a stretch. Not only that but there are tons of evidences that back up God’s Word, as well.

Just check out my Blogger article here to learn more:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God
 
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Yes, it does answer your question. Like I said before, I provided a more weightier argument with Scripture.
Then you did not understand my question. I can provide you with a robust argument that the bible teaches eternal torment in hell for unbelievers. You are just claiming your interpretation is correct not providing good evidence it is the correct interpretation. The real truth is that you can make a good case for oth stances from the bible and no side can demonstrate their take is the correct one. Why won't God straighten this out? It is a huge issue for humanity.

If you want to attack God’s Word (or God) for the false belief of Eternal Torment, then it is based on a faulty premise or belief. For you obviously expressed a problem with ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment). This is because it is not biblical and I demonstrate that in my thread for any rational person who does not have any preconceived beliefs. Most Christians believe in ECT because that is what they were taught by the churches they went to. It is the most popular Protestant or evangelical belief or those who claim to follow the Bible alone as their authority. But just because something is popular does not make it true. They are wrong. They are also wrong on their understanding of Soteriology, as well. Many in Christianity today think they can sin and still be saved on some level. Some try to hide it well, but I can usually in most cases spot their belief a mile a while. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 has predicted that in the last times perilous times will come and there will be those who are lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. They will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
This is just you saying you are correct and they are wrong with no justification. Both sides of the issue claim the bible as their evidence. Claiming yours is better and weightier is just a claim no different than the other sides claim that they are correct.


Side Note:

If you don’t believe the Bible in general to begin with, then you have no grounds to attack it for a false premise because you really do not want to know what it truly teaches in a good way.
It is arrogant to claim you know what others are thinking. I am on a quest for truth. If the bible is true then I will have to believe it. But I cannot believe anything with bad evidence. I did that for too long. It is not my problem that God has not provided us with good enough evidence for belief.

You will only seek to find fault with God’s Word because it does not align with your life. You are not really seeking for the good answers, but you are only seeking to throw fiery darts at God’s Word. This is not a proper way to understand God’s Word. One needs to have the Spirit and live for the Lord to truly know what His Word teaches.
And someone that believes in Islam can say this exact same thing about you. All you need to do is provide good evidence that any of this is true and I will have to believe. Belief is not a choice, if you think it is then choose to believe in Allah.

If not, you are only looking to what you want to see (Which is to point out something wrong when there is no wrong with it).
I don't need to believe it is true to find fault with Christians arguments when they are bad. You are essentially saying here that I have to first believe it to be true to believe it is true.
 
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On your own without God… this is true. Without God, a person can only imitate the actions of doing good like an actor who plays a part or role in a movie. God is good alone (Mark 10:18).
This is untrue. But this is probably a different thread, but a Christians morality is just as subjective as an atheists morality. I reject the idea that when I help people I am not doing good. Just ask the people I help.

Scripture tells us that God (Christ) is the One who ultimately does the work within a believer.

Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10
Hebrews 12:1-2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22-24 (cf. Matthew 7:16-18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26-27
Provide evidence that the bible is true.


When we obey God’s Word, we are seeking to please Him, and not ourselves. Whenever a person does good without God, they are being motivated outside of God’s purpose. They are focused on self in some way. Even if they are selfless, if they do so without God, they are still acting on their own outside of the Creator and Savior plans for their life.
You can still do good and have some selfishness. But again this is probably a different thread on morality.

God never intended man to be without Him anymore than we are intended to be without oxygen. You don’t think God exists, and so you think you can do good without Him. This is only a lie or an illusion you have convinced yourself of because you don’t want the Creator and Savior (Jesus) in your life when you can have Him in your life. You simply are making up imagined excuses to turn your Creator and Savior away.
I want to be clear I have never said God does not exist. I do not believe He exists. There is a difference.

More arrogance on your part that you think you know my thoughts. I respect you enough to believe you when you say you believe in God. Please respect me enough to believe me when I say I don't believe God exists. Whether I want to follow God or not is a different question than whether He exists. I can believe He exists and still not follow Him. These are two different issues.


If you were to study the Bible, you would realize that each major believer had their own unique personality, talents, and gifts. There are gifts and talents that are different among the body of Christ. So we are not just clones. When believers follow Jesus, and conform to His image of living righteously, each believer has their own unique talents and personalities that contribute to that. Some may desire in helping the poor more. Others are extremely talented at preaching the gospel. Others can use their artistic talents to spread the Word of God to others. Others are great teachers. Others know how to listen well, and help properly the brethren. Each person contributes in their own unique way according to their talents, and personalities.

Also, lets just say you do become a mindless clone whereby you cannot be creative, and or express the person in who you are (Which is not the case): Do we really have any rights to boast in being our own gods? For that is what your really proposing. Back in the Garden of Eden, God did not want Adam and Eve to eat of the wrong tree because they would have the knowledge of good and evil and be like God. Even the devil said to Eve that they will be like gods if they ate of the tree (God did not want them to eat of). So when we sin and we do our own thing, we are being like our own god. We are calling the shots and doing what we please instead of pleasing God. God created us, and God died for our sins. So we have no rights to sin and or do evil and or run our own lives. Sure, you are free to do that, but just know that one day you will have to face the Creator and Savior (Jesus) and explain yourself to Him and your actions as to why you were not willing to accept Him. For God made you, and died for your sins. Why wouldn’t you want to live for Him? He is after all the Creator of all things and knows more about you than you do. You think you know better than God.
I would simply say there was insufficient evidence to believe you existed and that there was insufficient evidence to believe that you are good. That is the truth.

If Rick put a little bit of the right poison in Bob’s water, he is going to slowly die over time.
But to say Bob wants to drink poison slowly because it is their life, and it is an expression of who they are they would not be doing something that was good for them and neither would they be setting a good example for others. Usually folks think their sins or bad things they done are not all that bad. But of course God will reveal all things that are hidden.

“For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.” (Luke 8:17).
Again, provide evidence this is true.

This sounds like you are mocking God’s Word.
It sounds like you really don’t want life as God offers it.
It sounds like you only want life on your own terms but it doesn’t work like that.
Then provide sufficient evidence that God exist and that He is good.

Christians believe in verses like these because of the changed life and heart God gave them when they stepped out in faith in seeking forgiveness with Him. They came forth and tasted that the Lord was good. For if we draw near to Him, He will draw near to us (See: James 4:8). Walking by faith is something that we as Christians do to please God. For Hebrews 11:6 says without faith, it is impossible to please Him. We trust God and that He is good, and we can see that He is by the good He does in our life. Many believers who are converted and changed by the Lord spiritually receive a love, joy, and peace that cannot compare to the pleasures of sin that this world has to offer.

Think.

There are lots of people whose lives who have been changed or transformed by Jesus Christ. People who were enslaved to sin, drugs, sexual immorality, etc. were set free by our Lord. Then there is the way God talks to His people in divine and mysterious ways. To say this is all in the person’s imagination is a stretch. Not only that but there are tons of evidences that back up God’s Word, as well.

Just check out my Blogger article here to learn more:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God
The reason this is unconvincing is that I can get t this same reasoning from other religions. It is not hard to find someone that gives credit to a life change to Allah. So how do I determine who is correct?
 
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You kept asking for evidences for the Bible. I already provided a link to my Blogger article that provides these evidences. Here is that link again, just in case you missed it.

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

If you don’t accept the evidences I provided, it’s time for us to move on then. For nothing I will say will ever convince you (if you are not open to the overwhelming amount of evidence I have provided in support of God’s Word) and or you simply just want to scoff, or attack the Bible because you don’t like it.
 
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You kept asking for evidences for the Bible. I already provided a link to my Blogger article that provides these evidences. Here is that link again, just in case you missed it.

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

If you don’t accept the evidences I provided, it’s time for us to move on then.
I will look at these and see. What actually convinced you?

For nothing I will say will ever convince you...
This is untrue and almost defamatory. Good evidence will convince me. Claiming nothing will convince me because I am not convinced by your evidence in in itself a logical fallacy.

(if you are not open to the overwhelming amount of evidence I have provided in support of God’s Word)...
I am open to it. That does not mean I will be convinced by it. I actually started seeking truth, that is why I became an atheist.

and or you simply just want to scoff, or attack the Bible because you don’t like it.
Not believing it is true based on the evidence presented is not scoffing, showing where there are inconsistencies in the bible is not scoffing, showing where the bible supports immorality is not scoffing.

There are parts of the bible I like and some I don't like. This is irrelevant to whether if there is good evidence to believe it is true.
 
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I will look at these and see. What actually convinced you?

Love.

God softened my heart to His Word ultimately with love.
God kept bringing certain women into my life that I had a crush on.
Turns out they each were Christian.
So I one day had received a Chick Tract called, “This Was Your Life” and sought forgiveness of my sins with the Lord Jesus and i was forever changed.
My walk with the Lord from that point was eye opening.
Many years later, I prayed for a soul mate, and I met her half way around the globe.
It took two decades of prayer, but God answered, and we are now happily married.
I can only see it as God bringing that special someone into my life (who held God’s Word in high regard like I did).

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Not believing it is true based on the evidence presented is not scoffing, showing where there are inconsistencies in the bible is not scoffing, showing where the bible supports immorality is not scoffing.

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Scoffer | Definition of Scoffer by Webster's Online Dictionary

No offense, but when you say things like you don’t want to be a Jesus clone, you are mocking God’s Word and holding it in contempt (or strong dislike or displeasure).

Anyways, I hope you understand.

May God’s love shine upon you;
And good evening to you.
 
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