CRT and Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

Jury awards $10M to former exec who said he was fired because he is white male

White man fired for being white.

Chicago Art Institute dismantles docent program in equity effort

100 old white ladies fired for "diversity".

Survey Finds That 34% of White College Applicants Lied About Their Race

White students lie about race to improve their chances of getting into college.

Condoleezza Rice’s CRT stance proves she’s a foot solider for white supremacy

OP-Ed about CRT in schools that thinks white children should feel guilty about the past.

To quote...

Also this — white children and adults should absolutely feel bad about the past atrocities committed by white Americans. They should feel guilty. They should cringe at what their ancestors did.

And just in case you thought it's just one guy's opinion...

White Villa Duchesne student and parents accuse school of discrimination

An example of a white girl being shamed for being white in school.

I think it's rather obvious that CRT is about promoting racist stereotypes about white people and others and then tying those racist beliefs to political activism. It's about as disgusting and low as I've ever seen a political party get. None of this garbage is promoted by the political right, it's entirely coming from the political left.

The use of child level analysis of racial disparities to justify real racism and discrimination is disgusting. If you had told me in 2010 that the party that fought against these things mere decades ago was going to be promoting them in 2020+ I would have laughed. Sadly, this is just an sample of the many examples of this behavior one can find. I could easily fill this forum with threads on corporations like AT&T and Coca Cola telling employees to be less white, employees fired over being white, and children shamed for being white.

It's not that racist discrimination doesn't happen, or that non-white children don't experience racism at school. I'm sure it happens and I'm always against it.

The problem is that these racist beliefs and attacks are part of the curriculum, part of the corporate agenda, part of the far left party views. They aren't simply fringe elements anymore, they are mainstream. For one last example...

Rutgers professor calls white people 'villains'

Consider for a moment what would happen if a white professor said those things about black people. Would they keep their job? No. Would they be able to find a new job? Not in teaching.

Yet this disgusting racism gets a pass from the left because it's part of their political views.

Thoughts?

Abaxvahl · Oct 29, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Thoughts?

Misrepresentations, claims, unproven claims, and so on. What else is new? The Earth keeps spinnin'.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 29, 2021

Should I feel bad, guilty and cringe that my ancestors captured Africans and brought them over as slaves? Yes, no and yes.

essentialsaltes · Oct 29, 2021

I'm glad to hear that jury awards are proof of racism. This will make it much easier to show to people who keep insisting they can't see any.

Der Alte · Oct 29, 2021

Abaxvahl said:
Misrepresentations, claims, unproven claims, and so on. What else is new? The Earth keeps spinnin'.

Whose, those who promote CRT and similar ideologies or those who are opposed to them?

Der Alte · Oct 29, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
Should I feel bad, guilty and cringe that my ancestors captured Africans and brought them over as slaves? Yes, no and yes.

You are partially correct. The European slavers usually did not do the capturing of Africans. The capturing was usually done by African tribes capturing their current "enemies"and selling them to the Europeans. I notice there is hardly any uproar about that.

According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country's leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters.The majority of slaveholders, white and black, owned only one to five slaves. More often than not, and contrary to a century and a half of bullwhips-on-tortured-backs propaganda, black and white masters worked and ate alongside their charges; be it in house, field or workshop. The few individuals who owned 50 or more slaves were confined to the top one percent, and have been defined as slave magnates.In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation. Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000 (3). That year, the mean wealth of southern white men was $3,978 (4).In Charleston, South Carolina in 1860 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owning 10 or more. Of the $1.5 million in taxable property owned by free Negroes in Charleston, more than $300,000 represented slave holdings (5). In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners (6).
https://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

bekkilyn · Oct 29, 2021

I've been continuing to look into CRT and have heard an explanation that "whiteness" are the various systems that have been put in place by the white European males that came to America. The entire system of American government, Democracy, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution...basically everything that makes up America as America is "whiteness". Basically American IS whiteness. You can replace the word "white" with "American" and it would be the same. It's why black people and other people of color who support American ideals and American government and American institutions are considered "race traitors" or "too white" and why white people are being told that they need to be "less white". (Less American?)

CRT doesn't seem to have as much to do with prejudice or discrimination based on skin color, but rather with being anti-American in general. It isn't at all what Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement was fighting for and seems to be opposed in various ways to the ideals of the civil rights movement.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

Abaxvahl said:
Misrepresentations, claims, unproven claims, and so on. What else is new? The Earth keeps spinnin'.

Sorry? What exactly are you dismissing?

Bradskii · Oct 29, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Thoughts?

Thoughts? I think that as 13 of the last 15 threads you've started are about crt or variations on that theme, you would have had all the input you are likely to need. What else are you looking for that hasn't already been covered? Is there some aspect that's not been discussed?

Honestly asking is all. You're quite entitled to start as many as you like, but personally I have no intention of repeating anything I've previously said or reading anything that's already been beaten to death in the last 13 discussions.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I've been continuing to look into CRT and have heard an explanation that "whiteness" are the various systems that have been put in place by the white European males that came to America. The entire system of American government, Democracy, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution...basically everything that makes up America as America is "whiteness". Basically American IS whiteness. You can replace the word "white" with "American" and it would be the same. It's why black people and other people of color who support American ideals and American government and American institutions are considered "race traitors" or "too white" and why white people are being told that they need to be "less white". (Less American?)

I don't entirely disagree.

CRT doesn't seem to have as much to do with prejudice or discrimination based on skin color, but rather with being anti-American in general. It isn't at all what Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement was fighting for and seems to be opposed in various ways to the ideals of the civil rights movement.

I would argue that the term "whiteness" in the context of CRT is an attempt to create a white racial identity which is abhorrent, evil, and oppressive.

If you're like me and most white people....your racial identity doesn't really mean anything to you. It's because racial identity is central to CRT...a racial identity for "whiteness" has to be created.

As Robin Diangelo (author of White Fragility) explains "a positive white identity is an impossible goal".

The term whiteness then becomes an attempt to construct this evil racial category which everyone should hate. If it were just about the US and all of its history....you would have to attribute so much good and so many positive aspects, then you would have no reason to attack whiteness.

Whiteness only gets attributed the negative though. Whiteness gets "slavery" attached to it....yet historically that's ridiculous. Every racial group practiced slavery, including blacks and native Americans here in the US. That negativity doesn't get attached to those groups though...instead the CRT scholar would claim that those groups were engaging in whiteness or imitating it.

This is, of course, entirely false. Every racial category has practiced slavery well before they ever came in contact with whites.

So while I understand why you think it's attached to a certain view of history....that history is never correctly presented. It's an attempt to create.a racial view of white people that is entirely negative.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
Should I feel bad, guilty and cringe that my ancestors captured Africans and brought them over as slaves? Yes, no and yes.

Probably didn't "capture" them...almost certainly bought them off African slavers.

That's a bit of history the CRT promoters never worry about children learning.

Regardless though, why would you feel guilty or bad? That was the norm in most of the world at the time.

bekkilyn · Oct 29, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
I don't entirely disagree.

I would argue that the term "whiteness" in the context of CRT is an attempt to create a white racial identity which is abhorrent, evil, and oppressive.

If you're like me and most white people....your racial identity doesn't really mean anything to you. It's because racial identity is central to CRT...a racial identity for "whiteness" has to be created.

As Robin Diangelo (author of White Fragility) explains "a positive white identity is an impossible goal".

The term whiteness then becomes an attempt to construct this evil racial category which everyone should hate. If it were just about the US and all of its history....you would have to attribute so much good and so many positive aspects, then you would have no reason to attack whiteness.

Whiteness only gets attributed the negative though. Whiteness gets "slavery" attached to it....yet historically that's ridiculous. Every racial group practiced slavery, including blacks and native Americans here in the US. That negativity doesn't get attached to those groups though...instead the CRT scholar would claim that those groups were engaging in whiteness or imitating it.

This is, of course, entirely false. Every racial category has practiced slavery well before they ever came in contact with whites.

So while I understand why you think it's attached to a certain view of history....that history is never correctly presented. It's an attempt to create.a racial view of white people that is entirely negative.

Do you think that the CRT supporters *intentionally* ignore the good aspects US history and how they themselves have also benefitted even if they weren't white? I see what you mean about the racial category that everyone is supposed to hate because I can clearly observe it happening in "woke" areas...(I just don't know if it's specifically CRT or some other thing), but I'm struggling to discern why the utter hatred for everything American and even for all of western civilization in general, even when they themselves (the haters) have greatly benefitted from it in spite of any negative things, such as slavery, that happened in history.

Pavel Mosko · Oct 29, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Thoughts?

So many! But these people don't realize how all their other ideas can conflict and potentially sabotage their objectives. Take all the Gender Fluid nonsense, etc. if they keep this stuff up I am going to begin self identifying as a Black Lesbian Woman and begin haranguing them how they have persecuted my people for too long and now I am no longer going to stand for it !!

(I was a big fan of the comedy show Strangers With Candy that used that schtick).

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

bekkilyn said:
Do you think that the CRT supporters *intentionally* ignore the good aspects US history and how they themselves have also benefitted even if they weren't white?

Absolutely. It's not just that they ignore the good they exaggerate the bad to a ridiculous degree.

Without going deep into the philosophical underpinnings of it....the goal of this sustained and unrelenting criticism is ultimately the power to enact a form of Communism.

That's why you hear complaints about not everything being perfectly equal. Does one group have less of something than another group? The only explanation they accept is that the "systems" that create these outcomes are "oppressive" and therefore need to be torn down and rebuilt.

Think "defund the police". The very idea actually harms black people far more than it could help them. There is a very real problem of homicide and gang violence in the black community (in some places) that leads to a very large disparity of both murders and incarceration.

Instead of focusing on that, they focus on the extremely rare event of a black person being unlawfully killed by the police. Why? That provides the justification for tearing down the system.

I see what you mean about the racial category that everyone is supposed to hate because I can clearly observe it happening in "woke" areas...(I just don't know if it's specifically CRT or some other thing), but I'm struggling to discern why the utter hatred for everything American and even for all of western civilization in general, even when they themselves (the haters) have greatly benefitted from it in spite of any negative things, such as slavery, that happened in history.

It's been institutionalized....they're fighting to keep it in the schools. I believe the left has latched onto this mainly for votes. Realistically, after passing equality of marriage for gay people....there's no real "rights" which are denied to any group. It's harder for a Democratic candidate to run on something complex and nuanced that might actually improve the lives of non-white voters....so they demonize whites as the cause of all social ills.

If you can think of any social problem they don't blame on white people, I would be impressed.

bekkilyn · Oct 29, 2021

Pavel Mosko said:
So many! But these people don't realize how all their other ideas can conflict and potentially sabotage their objectives. Take all the Gender Fluid nonsense, etc. if they keep this stuff up I am going to begin self identifying as a Black Lesbian Woman and begin haranguing them how they have persecuted my people for too long and now I am no longer going to stand for it !!

(I was a big fan of the comedy show Strangers With Candy that used that schtick).

Why not? If we can feel our biological sex to be something that it's not, why not our race or our age or anything else? How can there be racism if we can just feel like a different race and avoid any prejudices that way? How can there be ageism if we can just feel like 24 and so we are? There can't be any sexism either if we can just will ourselves to be whatever avoids it? It doesn't at all matter if we're straight or not a woman because if we think we're a lesbian then so we are! How can CRT solve racism or anything else if none of it actually exists?

bekkilyn · Oct 29, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
Absolutely. It's not just that they ignore the good they exaggerate the bad to a ridiculous degree.

Without going deep into the philosophical underpinnings of it....the goal of this sustained and unrelenting criticism is ultimately the power to enact a form of Communism.

That's why you hear complaints about not everything being perfectly equal. Does one group have less of something than another group? The only explanation they accept is that the "systems" that create these outcomes are "oppressive" and therefore need to be torn down and rebuilt.

Think "defund the police". The very idea actually harms black people far more than it could help them. There is a very real problem of homicide and gang violence in the black community (in some places) that leads to a very large disparity of both murders and incarceration.

Instead of focusing on that, they focus on the extremely rare event of a black person being unlawfully killed by the police. Why? That provides the justification for tearing down the system.

It's been institutionalized....they're fighting to keep it in the schools. I believe the left has latched onto this mainly for votes. Realistically, after passing equality of marriage for gay people....there's no real "rights" which are denied to any group. It's harder for a Democratic candidate to run on something complex and nuanced that might actually improve the lives of non-white voters....so they demonize whites as the cause of all social ills.

If you can think of any social problem they don't blame on white people, I would be impressed.

What I also don't understand is why so many are just going along with the insanity, especially once they know it's going on. I've actually been hearing more black people ranting about it lately than white people. Is it perhaps because many black people know how harmful it is except for so many white, woke "virtue signalers" have latched onto it and just make the whole thing worse?

hedrick · Oct 29, 2021

Reverse discrimination has been an issues for decades. Sometimes it’s real, sometimes it’s not. Both black and white people tend to claim racial discrimination when they are fired. Sometimes it’s probably true.

This doesn’t have much connection to CRT.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

Bradskii said:
Thoughts? I think that as 13 of the last 15 threads you've started are about crt or variations on that theme, you would have had all the input you are likely to need. What else are you looking for that hasn't already been covered? Is there some aspect that's not been discussed?

Honestly asking is all. You're quite entitled to start as many as you like, but personally I have no intention of repeating anything I've previously said or reading anything that's already been beaten to death in the last 13 discussions.

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of lying on the left about how "crt isn't in schools" and "it's just about teaching history" or "this is a right wing conspiracy theory"...

I thought I would help dispel some of these outright lies and gaslighting by pointing out what is actually happening.

I understand that some people aren't being deliberately dishonest. They simply believe whatever their side tells them without any real thought. This is a chance to help them out as well.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

hedrick said:
Reverse discrimination has been an issues for decades.

You can just say racial discrimination. It's not like there's a reverse version.

I could give you more recent examples of it if you want, but I don't see the point if you're just going to deny it's racial. The guy was awarded millions because the company had no evidence of any other reason. The 100 old white ladies were let go because they are white....that's the museum that cut them, not me.

This doesn’t have much connection to CRT.

Seems like a rather remarkable coincidence that the left is pushing a race essentialist agenda and white people are getting fired for being white.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2021

essentialsaltes said:
I'm glad to hear that jury awards are proof of racism.

How else does one prove that claim?

This will make it much easier to show to people who keep insisting they can't see any.

You have examples like this...

White Starbucks manager claims racial bias in her firing after arrests of 2 black men

But who knows if it's true or not? At least if damages are awarded, someone considered all the evidence.

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