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We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.

Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.

I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?
 

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We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.

Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.

I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?

I like topics like this, but I can't say I'm an expert regarding these feasts. I then try and logically reason through this by noting that Jesus fulfilled the Spring feasts in the chronological order they were fulfilled in the OT, and that the last recorded feast that He fulfilled appears to be the feast of Pentecost. None of them involved any form of animal sacrificing in order to fulfill those feasts. I expect the Fall feasts to be fulfilled in like manner, in chronological order and not involving any form of animal sacrificing even if they are not fulfilled until Christ returns first.

We have to keep in mind that Jesus fulfilled the Spring feasts in the Spring, and not the winter instead, for example. If some conclude He has already fulfilled the Fall feasts as well, where is there evidence recorded in the NT that shows that He fulfilled those feasts in the Fall and in the same chronological order they were fulfilled in the OT? IOW, in the same way He fulfilled the Spring feasts. Plus, it's not like there are not 2 advents involved. Why does everything involving the feasts have to only involve the first advent?
 
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New Testament believers held that the Rapture (which was to be signified by "the trumpet of God" [1 Thessalonians 4:16]) would occur on the Feast of Trumpets (a.k.a. the Jewish New Year), quite likely on a Year of Jubilee.

There is some Messianic Jewish teaching out there that Jesus may have been born during the Feast of Tabernacles, which would represent the Incarnation.
Overture to the trilogy, The Life (Michael Card, 1988)
 
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We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.

Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.

I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?

The fall festivals are yet to be fulfilled. It is the spring Festivals that have been fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to (Passover/Feast of unleavened bread (Jesus as the sacrificial lamb of God and Gods' Word *John 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8); Feast of First fruits and Feast of Sheaths (resurrection; *1 Corinthians 15:20; Romans 11:16; Matthew 27:51-53). Feast of weeks (Pentecost - *Acts of the Apostles 2:1-23). The resurrection of Jesus as our great high priest offers the starting of the fall festivals; The Feast of trumpets and great day of atonement and the cleansing of the true Sanctuary from all sin takes place in the Heavenly of which the earthly was only a copy. The whole earthly Sanctuary system for the remission of sins where only shadows pointing to the role of Jesus as our great High Priest and his work for us in the heavenly sanctuary laws for remission of sin *See Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22. The Feast of Tabernacles; the second Feast of fruits (full Harvest Feast) are also not fulfilled until the second coming.

God bless
 
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Cool. Is there an online source with graphs that I can learn more about this?
Prayer is your best guide asking God to be your guide and teacher here as there is so many false teachings in regards to this subject to be honest. You will not find the truth outside of Christ if you seek it without him prayerfully guiding you. The good news however he promises to if you ask him *see John 14:16; John 7:17; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27.

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We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.

Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.

I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?
The Fall Feasts are figurative of the church age.

Trumpets commemorating the trumpet call on Mount Sinai calling the people to God is a prefigure of two things: preaching the gospel, calling in the sons of God; and the trumpet call of Christ, calling the nations out of their graves at the resurrection.

Day of Atonement is a prefigure of the blood of Christ that continues (Hebrews 10:4) cleansing until he comes.

Tabernacles (In Gathering, wheat and grape harvest) commemorating the 40 years in the wilderness is a prefigure of the final gathering in of the nations (grape harvest, Revelation 14:10) at the Second Coming and joy of the saints at the completion of God's plan to glorify his mercy in the elect (wheat harvest) and his justice in the reprobate (grape harvest).
 
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Cool. Is there an online source with graphs that I can learn more about this?
Leviticus and Hebrews are the books. Also, Johns gospel relate the times Jesus went to Jerusalem to observe them. On one occasion he was at the fall festival and spoke concerning himself being the 'water of life.' (John 7)
 
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We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.

Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.

I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?

You addressed Amil, and I'm not sure if you *only* want the Amil view? But I will nevertheless add my view. I've looked at the festivals from the typical Pentecostal view for years, which tends to view these things as a prescription for a prophetic sequence.

However, many years ago I abandoned Pretrib Teaching, and the notion that the Day of Trumpets, on the 1st day of the 7th month, represents a Pretrib Rapture. I don't believe these things were designed to suggest a particular chronological order for events typified by the Day of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles.

So my current view is that yes, these things are symbolic of Christ--all aspects of the 7th month gathering of Jews in Jerusalem. All of God's people gather to Christ in the NT, whenever they are "born again." They spiritually gather to Christ, who died in Jerusalem for our sins. When we repent and enter into his Spirit, we are regenerated and live only by his spiritual guidance. We die to the flesh, or when we fall into sin, we repent and return to living by the Spirit.

The Feast of Passover in the 1st month certainly prefigured the death of Christ for our sins, as even the Gospels indicate. The Feast of Passover represents what follows when we accept the redemption and atonement of Christ for our sins. We begin to produce good fruit through Christ.

And then, in the 7th month the harvest season of Israel prefigures the entire NT harvest of Christian salvation. Jesus said the fields are already ripe for the harvest. That isn't just endtime fulfillment, but includes the entire age. We live in the world just as Israel lived in booths in the wilderness. This world is not our home--we're just passing through.

The feast of trumpets likely represents the call of God to come to Christ for salvation. When Christ rose from the dead and empowered his apostles to bring the Gospel to the world, this was like a trumpet call to the world, to call in those who were willing to embrace Christ as their salvation.

That being said, the 7th month may also allude to the endtimes and to the final blowing of the trumpet of God at the coming of Christ. It does precede the gathering of the marriage feast, which begins the Millennial Age.
 
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Cool. Is there an online source with graphs that I can learn more about this?
There is an interesting article that discusses the annual Feasts quite simply which also looks at all arguments and views of interpretation linked here if your interested. That said prayer to Jesus to be your guide and teacher is best before beginning any study.

God bless.
 
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The Fall Feasts are figurative of the church age.

Trumpets commemorating the trumpet call on Mount Sinai calling the people to God is a prefigure of two things: preaching the gospel, calling in the sons of God; and the trumpet call of Christ, calling the nations out of their graves at the resurrection.

Day of Atonement is a prefigure of the blood of Christ that continues (Hebrews 10:4) cleansing until he comes.

Tabernacles (In Gathering, wheat and grape harvest) commemorating the 40 years in the wilderness is a prefigure of the final gathering in of the nations (grape harvest, Revelation 14:10) at the Second Coming and joy of the saints at the completion of God's plan to glorify his mercy in the elect (wheat harvest) and his justice in the reprobate (grape harvest).


I don't know if you are correct or not but I do at least acknowledge that what you are proposing, that it is a possibility. It makes me wonder though, why did Jesus bother fulfilling the first 4 feasts on the same days they were fulfilled in the OT, but as to these Fall feasts, He doesn't bother to do likewise, He doesn't bother to follow the same pattern He bothered to follow concerning the Spring feasts? Why would He be inconsistant like that?
 
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You addressed Amil, and I'm not sure if you *only* want the Amil view? But I will nevertheless add my view. I've looked at the festivals from the typical Pentecostal view for years, which tends to view these things as a prescription for a prophetic sequence.

However, many years ago I abandoned Pretrib Teaching, and the notion that the Day of Trumpets, on the 1st day of the 7th month, represents a Pretrib Rapture. I don't believe these things were designed to suggest a particular chronological order for events typified by the Day of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles.

So my current view is that yes, these things are symbolic of Christ--all aspects of the 7th month gathering of Jews in Jerusalem. All of God's people gather to Christ in the NT, whenever they are "born again." They spiritually gather to Christ, who died in Jerusalem for our sins. When we repent and enter into his Spirit, we are regenerated and live only by his spiritual guidance. We die to the flesh, or when we fall into sin, we repent and return to living by the Spirit.

The Feast of Passover in the 1st month certainly prefigured the death of Christ for our sins, as even the Gospels indicate. The Feast of Passover represents what follows when we accept the redemption and atonement of Christ for our sins. We begin to produce good fruit through Christ.

And then, in the 7th month the harvest season of Israel prefigures the entire NT harvest of Christian salvation. Jesus said the fields are already ripe for the harvest. That isn't just endtime fulfillment, but includes the entire age. We live in the world just as Israel lived in booths in the wilderness. This world is not our home--we're just passing through.

The feast of trumpets likely represents the call of God to come to Christ for salvation. When Christ rose from the dead and empowered his apostles to bring the Gospel to the world, this was like a trumpet call to the world, to call in those who were willing to embrace Christ as their salvation.

That being said, the 7th month may also allude to the endtimes and to the final blowing of the trumpet of God at the coming of Christ. It does precede the gathering of the marriage feast, which begins the Millennial Age.


An interesting way to look at things. I don't know if you are correct though.
 
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An interesting way to look at things. I don't know if you are correct though.

I base my beliefs on the idea, expressed in the Scriptures, that Christ fulfilled everything necessary for our salvation at the Cross, and that all of the Law and the Prophets, including all 3 festivals, were fulfilled in him.

The trumpet call to begin the NT age, calling all of mankind to Christ, is suggested in Hebrews.

Heb 12.18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”

The NT age was not initiated with a literal trumpet blast, but rather, with the call of God to mankind through his Son, when he rose from the dead. This is the beginning of the NT age of harvest.

However, the "trumpet" also symbolizes the conclusion of the age of harvest when the saints are called up to God to obtain a resurrection to immortality, beginning an eternal feast with God. But I'll leave you to your own conclusions. Thanks for giving me some consideration!
 
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Isn't Gabriel associated with the trumpet? He arrive at the annunciation (albeit that's not the Ascension). I know it doesn't say in Scripture, but perhaps there were trumpets at the Ascension when the angels appeared? Idk. I'm just an inquirer.
I base my beliefs on the idea, expressed in the Scriptures, that Christ fulfilled everything necessary for our salvation at the Cross, and that all of the Law and the Prophets, including all 3 festivals, were fulfilled in him.

The trumpet call to begin the NT age, calling all of mankind to Christ, is suggested in Hebrews.

Heb 12.18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”

The NT age was not initiated with a literal trumpet blast, but rather, with the call of God to mankind through his Son, when he rose from the dead. This is the beginning of the NT age of harvest.

However, the "trumpet" also symbolizes the conclusion of the age of harvest when the saints are called up to God to obtain a resurrection to immortality, beginning an eternal feast with God. But I'll leave you to your own conclusions. Thanks for giving me some consideration!
 
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Questions:

1) What was Christ doing during the fifty days before the Holy Spirit was sent?

2) When did we move from the feast of Trumpets to the Day of Atonement and will we know when we move to the feast of Tabernacles?

Thanks

There is an interesting article that discusses the annual Feasts quite simply which also looks at all arguments and views of interpretation linked here if your interested. That said prayer to Jesus to be your guide and teacher is best before beginning any study.

God bless.
 
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We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles.

Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70.

I'm not sure how amil Christians view this. (Im not sure myself) So, how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?
Where is the scripture which indicates that Christ needed to fulfill the Jewish fall festivals?

Anyway, for the sake of the purpose of this thread, I'll assume that He was supposed to fulfill all of the Jewish festivals.

It seems to me that if Christ was supposed to fulfill the Day of Atonement then that would have been fulfilled when Christ shed His blood for the atonement of our sins.

In terms of the festival of trumpets, it seems that it would make the most sense for Him to fulfill that at the sounding of the last trumpet when He returns (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17, Matt 24:29-31).

As for the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles, I see a couple of possibilities. I suppose it would make the most sense for that to be fulfilled when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in at Christ's return (2 Peter 3:10-13) at which point the tabernacle of God will be with us.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

But there is one other possibility for its fulfillment that I see. It's interesting to note that on the last day of the feast of tabernacles, Jesus said this:

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

So, if Jesus said this specifically on the last day of the feast of tabernacles for a certain reason then I think it's possible that Jesus was indicating that the fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles would relate to people receiving the Holy Spirit and having Christ dwell them in a spiritual sense since our bodies are the temple/tabernacle of God (1 Cor 6:19).
 
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I don't know if you are correct or not but I do at least acknowledge that what you are proposing, that it is a possibility. It makes me wonder though, why did Jesus bother fulfilling the first 4 feasts on the same days they were fulfilled in the OT, but as to these Fall feasts, He doesn't bother to do likewise, He doesn't bother to follow the same pattern He bothered to follow concerning the Spring feasts? Why would He be inconsistant like that?
Actually, all the feasts are figurative of the church age. . .being figurative of both single and on-going events, the Sabbath and Unleavened Bread being figurative of on-going church-age events only, the Passover being figurative of a single church-age event only, and Firstfruits and Weeks being figurative of both single and on-going church-age events.

Sabbath--commemorating God's full-time rest from work, prefiguring our entering into God's full-time Sabbath rest in the full-time salvation rest of Jesus Christ, where we rest from our own work to save, and in Jesus' completed work which saved us.

Passover--commemorating salvation from the angel of death, figurative of our salvation from eternal death in our Passover Lamb. Christ was sacrificed on this feast as our Passover Lamb.

Unleavened Bread--commemorating the exodus, figurative of the purging of sin from our lives.

Firstfruits--first fruits (stem) of the wheat harvest presented to God, figurative of two things: the Branch (stem) of the Lord (Messiah) presented to God as firstfruits of the resurrection, Christ rose on this feast; and we now have firstfruits of eternal life on earth; i.e., the Holy Spirit indwelling us (Romans 8:23).

Weeks (wheat full harvest)--commemorating the giving of the law on Sinai, figurative of two things: the pouring out of the Holy Spirit who is the full harvest of the cross; and harvest time in the kingdom of God, when the (wheat) harvest of the cross is reaped, with joy in heaven at the repentance of the elect. The Holy Spirit was poured out on the church on Weeks (Pentecost).
 
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how did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, and if they haven’t yet, when?

I believe here in the physical:

Trumpets-Jesus human birth

Day of Atonement-Christ's death,

Tabernacles-His resurrection.

In the coming spiritual:

Trumpets-Jesus return/2nd coming

Day of Atonement-at the believers transformation from the physical/corrupted to spiritual/incorruptible

Tabernacles-after Christ's 1000 yr reign when He/God our creator that after 7 days rested. Begins to create a new eternal kingdom, with the Redeemed Body/Church/Assembly helping Him
 
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