Loudoun County students stage walkout over sexual assault handling

The case has now caught the attention of the MSM, as an example of misrepresentation by the right. GOP Distorts Virginia Bathroom Sexual Assault Case For Political Gain It’s even worse than Tanj’s posting. The trans bathroom policy hadn’t even been approved when the assault took place.

bekkilyn said:

I wonder how many more girls and women will need to be assaulted, raped, or even killed before we can have our bathrooms and locker rooms back. I hope Virginians do the right thing and bring Terry McAuliffe and all his ilk down, and I'm saying this as a current registered Democrat who even freaking poll greeted for Biden in the last election. I am beyond words at how disappointed I am right now to hear all of the excuses for why it's okay to oppress girls and women to accommodate males. When we are undressing in front of them in our locker rooms, are we going to be required to give them lap dances as well, or will we at least be able to retain some of our dignity?

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Have you read anything Tanj or I has posted. This has nothing to do with transgenders in bathrooms.

bekkilyn said:

So the left believes that if a female had a previous relationship with a male and the male later sexually assaults her, beats her up, etc., then it's fine. Perfectly normal and nothing to be upset about. Wow, I hadn't previously thought that was true, but I guess now I know better. Girls, you heard it right here, don't bother to report any sexual assaults from any males you've ever been involved with in any way, dated, etc. because it doesn't count as rape. And wives, marital rape apparently doesn't exist either because you know...once he's had you in any way, he owns you, and he can use and abuse you as he will.

And you know, maybe we ought to question why any of this was going on in the bathroom in the first place, consensual or otherwise. Maybe had they each had their own bathrooms to start with rather than allowing male free access to girls whenever they want, then it may have a been more difficult for this boy to rape her to begin with.

And also recall that he was CONVICTED of raping her, because as difficult as it is to have proof, they apparently plenty to PROVE that it wasn't consensual, and not to mention the fact that he went on to assault a SECOND girl.

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Don't you see, you're what's wrong in all of this!
Wow, just wow. I bet you didn't expect that. I know I didn't.

hedrick said:

The case has now caught the attention of the MSM, as an example of misrepresentation by the right. GOP Distorts Virginia Bathroom Sexual Assault Case For Political Gain It’s even worse than Tanj’s posting. The trans bathroom policy hadn’t even been approved when the assault took place.

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Actually, its the cover up that is making the news more than anything.

That whole circumstance was a mess.

The superintendent of the school made a comment AFTER this (the child's rape) took place that trans attacking others in bathrooms was a red-herring according to his news source at a school board meeting. Then another board member went on to comment about how she never heard of anyone getting attacked in their bathrooms. The video comments aren't that hard to find online. So, they knew this attack took place and knew it would make things harder for their position on the bathrooms...and basically tried to play dumb.

The superintendent knew about the attack in the bathroom and sent the board an email about it. He only acknowledged that AFTER the email was leaked, but prior to leak was attempting to one of those 'I didn't know' type of approaches. That looks REALLY bad.

When the attack happened, and parents were called and told she had an altercation at school. It was a bit more than an altercation. According to the parents the school wanted to handle this 'in house' and the father rightly threw a fit. The school called the police on him, and when the father PUSHED a little on the state police? His daughter was sent to the hospital for a rape kit that confirmed she was harmed.

What was worse? After the young man was questioned and arrested? The parents were told he would be home wearing an ankle bracelet. In the meantime the school system moved him to another school within the district in which he did it again. They also tried to keep that close to the collar as well, and so the superintendent was caught quite a few times pretty much lying to the public.

The kid was convicted a couple of days ago for the first case, and will be staying in jail for now. I guess the legal system figured since he was accused at this point for one case - and convicted in a second? He might be danger to others.

The Trans policy might NOT have taken place at that point, but they also knew they would have a harder time getting it passed if parents knew about this girl - and then to find it also happened a second time? That would be a hard hill to climb in that circumstance regarding the policy he wanted enacted. The district was the report these attacks, and didn't do that either - its a database that districts are required to report too. His response was due to politics and the agenda of what they felt the district needed in place. If it was his child, my child, or anyone else's here child? The cold and callous response didn't help things. That's why politics - no side needed - is a dirty business.

The media on the other hand? They used the father's video of the police taking him down in a school board meeting to make a point about out of control parents. If they had done any digging at all? He was there to ask them what they were doing about the safety of the children after his daughter was raped in their school. Instead, the trans activists knew he was there. Threatened to take down his business and told him they didn't believe his daughter. This was the same meeting the superintendent/board member made their comments about attacks in the bathrooms. Anyone notice that part didn't come out until recently? Good job media! Good JOB! Yes, the Dad was arrested and the DA that wants to go easier on criminals wants the Dad in jail for his outburst due to an emotional state.

This whole circumstance went from bad to worse. Its much worse than you or Tanj point of view of things.

“First, let me say to the families and students involved, my heart aches for you,” Ziegler said. “And I am sorry that we failed to provide the safe, welcoming and affirming environment that we aspire to provide. We acknowledge and share your pain and we will continue to offer you support to help your families through this trauma.”

His comment after he got caught with his pants down. To bad his heart wasn't in it at the time it happened. Actions speak louder than words.

I feel awful for all those involved. He needs to step down IMO.

I don’t doubt that the school handling was a disaster. I just don’t think the incident had anything to do with the fact that the student was trans, though I do see why the administration thought it would be spun that way. They were right. But that doesn’t justify covering it up, or letting the kid go back to school. Even if it was moral, coverups just make things worse. Yes, the administrators involved should get in trouble. Just how much I’m not sure I can judge.

bekkilyn said:

I wonder how many more girls and women will need to be assaulted, raped, or even killed before we can have our bathrooms and locker rooms back. I hope Virginians do the right thing and bring Terry McAuliffe and all his ilk down, and I'm saying this as a current registered Democrat who even freaking poll greeted for Biden in the last election. I am beyond words at how disappointed I am right now to hear all of the excuses for why it's okay to oppress girls and women to accommodate males. When we are undressing in front of them in our locker rooms, are we going to be required to give them lap dances as well, or will we at least be able to retain some of our dignity?

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I don't know. What was the rate it was happenning at 10 years ago before it was important that women and girls are getting assaulted in bathroom?

Tanj said:

What are you talking about? The perp was charged and convicted.

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That's not enough! All transsexuals should suffer because of this!

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No, he was convicted in the last 48 hours. It's in the article in the OP. He's been charged with the second assault as well, but the trial has not taken place yet (because the first trial was still ongoing, I presume). They're holding sentencing until after the second trial is complete.

The primary issue in this case is that the school district allowed the student to just switch to another school and attend as usual after his arrest on the initial assault charge, which resulted in him assaulting another girl at the second school.

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Sometimes I think the only justice conservatives would be satisifed would be judge dredd style.

At least until they're on the wrong side of law enforcement.

bekkilyn said:

So the left believes that if a female had a previous relationship with a male and the male later sexually assaults her, beats her up, etc., then it's fine. Perfectly normal and nothing to be upset about. Wow, I hadn't previously thought that was true, but I guess now I know better. Girls, you heard it right here, don't bother to report any sexual assaults from any males you've ever been involved with in any way, dated, etc. because it doesn't count as rape. And wives, marital rape apparently doesn't exist either because you know...once he's had you in any way, he owns you, and he can use and abuse you as he will.

And you know, maybe we ought to question why any of this was going on in the bathroom in the first place, consensual or otherwise. Maybe had they each had their own bathrooms to start with rather than allowing male free access to girls whenever they want, then it may have a been more difficult for this boy to rape her to begin with.

And also recall that he was CONVICTED of raping her, because as difficult as it is to have proof, they apparently plenty to PROVE that it wasn't consensual, and not to mention the fact that he went on to assault a SECOND girl.

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This is just a huge strawman fallacy.

bekkilyn said:

Even just 10 years ago it seems that decent men at least weren't feeling entitled enough to force themselves into our bathrooms or dressing rooms against our will. When a man exposed himself to us without our consent, it used to be that we could call the police and he might be arrested, but nowadays we are labeled "transphobic" or worse for the same and *we* are the ones thrown out of our own spaces.

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Decent men (or women) are NEVER the problem; it doesn't matter how they identify.
Indecent people are going to do it. It's the same population of people. It's not like people are thinking "Well now I can FINALLY go into a women's bathroom and rape them!"

bekkilyn said:

So the left believes that if a female had a previous relationship with a male and the male later sexually assaults her, beats her up, etc., then it's fine. Perfectly normal and nothing to be upset about. Wow, I hadn't previously thought that was true, but I guess now I know better. Girls, you heard it right here, don't bother to report any sexual assaults from any males you've ever been involved with in any way, dated, etc. because it doesn't count as rape. And wives, marital rape apparently doesn't exist either because you know...once he's had you in any way, he owns you, and he can use and abuse you as he will.

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Who ever said this?

bekkilyn said:

The difference being that no one is going to question a man being in the women's bathroom or dressing rooms in the first place, making it easier for men to rape, and that it is somehow perfectly normal for him to expose himself to girls and women because it's his right "as a woman" to do so. Now decent men would have issues with this whole thing, but it seems like there are fewer and fewer decent men in general considering how many are cheering on the idea putting males in bathrooms and dressing rooms with their wives, daughters, sisters, and other family members and everyone is supposed to just pretend it's okay and that women aren't allowed to say no.
Well it's not okay.

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1) How do you use a bathroom? I don't stand in a man's bathroom and expose myself. Gender neutral bathrooms still have expectations of discretion.
My wife and daughter have been in gender neutral bathrooms and they survived urinating.
I have NO problem with them.
Apparently that means I'm not a decent man. Lame definition frankly...and CERTAINLY one my dear wife would take exception to.

But I want to be clear, I wouldn't rape a woman; EVEN if I had a "free ticket" to be in their bathroom.

I also know enough transgender people and I know they aren't interested in raping and far more interested in taking a dump when they go to the bathroom. I guess heterosexual men just constantly think about raping women.

bekkilyn said:

Yes, I have read you both and it has only served to incense me further.

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So you understood none of what was written?