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Hello.

Why unclean food? I know Jesus said nothing is unclean that goes in, but in the OT, some types of food are unclean. Also in Acts it says we are to avoid food dedicated to idols, meat of strangled animal or blood.

How it matters to God? Food is food, just nutrients and energy source. Why divide clean and unclean?

They say unclean is not good for your health like Pork, but many people eat pork and remain so healthy and live pretty long. Muslim friends even don’t eat candy with gelatine made from pig parts.

I don’t know. The idea of unclean food doesn’t make sense to me.
 
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but why was not allowed in the OT is the question

The majority of Jews dont eat pork etc now. They dont believe Jesus is the Messiah.

The OT is the old covenant. These were rules laid down for the Jewish population at that time.
 
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The majority of Jews dont eat pork etc now. They dont believe Jesus is the Messiah.

The OT is the old covenant. These were rules laid down for the Jewish population at that time.

Indeed unfortunately which saddens me :(
 
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Hello.

Why unclean food? I know Jesus said nothing is unclean that goes in, but in the OT, some types of food are unclean. Also in Acts it says we are to avoid food dedicated to idols, meet of strangled animal or blood.

How it matters to God? Food is food, just nutrients and energy source. Why divide clean and unclean?

They say unclean is not good for your health like Pork, but many people eat pork and remain so healthy and live pretty long. Muslim friends even don’t eat candy with gelatine made from pig parts.

I don’t know. The idea of unclean food doesn’t make sense to me.
It would make sense if you lived during a time where the USDA regulatory standards did not exist. We have to take into consideration that the "Seed" of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the remnant who obeyed, needed to stay alive, unblemished, righteous etc. in order to usher in the Messiah. Pork as well as other foods and other practices were basically unsafe. Simple as that. No mystery.
Blessings.
 
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It would make sense if you lived during a time where the USDA regulatory standards did not exist. We have to take into consideration that the "Seed" of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the remnant who obeyed, needed to stay alive, unblemished, righteous etc. in order to usher in the Messiah. Pork as well as other foods and other practices were basically unsafe. Simple as that. No mystery.
Blessings.

why pork unsafe? Good meat
 
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It would make sense if you lived during a time where the USDA regulatory standards did not exist. We have to take into consideration that the "Seed" of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the remnant who obeyed, needed to stay alive, unblemished, righteous etc. in order to usher in the Messiah. Pork as well as other foods and other practices were basically unsafe. Simple as that. No mystery.
Blessings.

there is more to it than just that, man wasn't to eat animals that killed other animals thus become killers themselves but that didn't work out to well.
 
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Hi @James_Lai

You raise a great question.

I know Jesus said nothing is unclean that goes in

When the Messiah said this, He was refering specifically to eating with unceremonially washed hands, a practice of the Pharisees. If you read the whole passage it will become clear.

The Lord wasn't saying "it is now okay to eat pork". But if He did mean that, or the people understood it that way, He would have been stoned or disregarded as a false prophet. He would have also become a sinner according to the Law and therefore His sacrifice would have been compromised.

Food is food, just nutrients and energy source. Why divide clean and unclean?

What constitutes as food in your book and God's though? Some people would think James Lai is just food for nutrients and energy :)

Yahweh is the Creator. He understands the animal kingdom with far greater intimacy than any biologist or nutritionist. If He says some animals are unclean to eat, who are we to argue?

But let’s take pork for example. Pigs eat anything, they are walking bins effectively. The same with shellfish who hoover up the sea floor full of waste material. Or birds of prey, who sully their stomach with the blood of others.

The Creator has said what is clean and unclean to eat in His great wisdom and knowledge. If we don't understand it all like He does, does that even matter when it comes to obedience? We must be careful not to listen to our stomachs over the Word.

many people eat pork and remain so healthy and live pretty long. Muslim friends even don’t eat candy with gelatine made from pig parts.

Indeed. An also people suffer from various diseases, mental health issues, shortened life spans, blood conditions, skin issues and spiritual problems.

It's not as easy as saying "he ate pork yesterday and he seems fine today". Otherwise we can do the same for those who commit adultery or lie.

We have no idea of the long term repercussions from extended periods of consumption which may not be so obvious immediately. But stomach issues and cancer are amongst the most major ailments in the West. Who is to say that unclean food and consuming blood isn't to blame for such conditions and others?

But let’s say you have a child. You tell the child not to touch the unclean dog poo in the park as he plays, because it's dangerous. However, he picks it up and plays with it and then drops it, wiping his hands on his trousers. "I'm fine" he thinks "what is dad talking about, there is no danger here". Does the child have unclean hands in your eyes? Because the child was okay this time, are you glad or are you still disappointed at the lack of obedience?

Anyway, great question. I was asking the same things before I switch to eating clean according to the Creator. It's not an easy transistion as first, as this world makes eating unclean very easy and desirable. Nevertheless, I'm so glad I did.

Peace.
 
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but why was not allowed in the OT is the question

First of all, you must understand that the Old testament is not a faithfull account of historical facts; it contains important spiritual and moral teachings, which however are to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament teachings.

John 1: 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ .

The Bible provides a progressive understanding of God's nature and of the moral law.
God gradually revealed himself to humanity, using his pedagogy, which adapted the revelation to the moral and cultural backwardness of the people to whom it was addressed. jesus Himself explained this:
Matthew 19:7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

The idea that some food was unclean is simply the expression of the backwardness of the ancient Jews.
 
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First of all, you must understand that the Old testament is not a faithfull account of historical facts; it contains important spiritual and moral teachings, which however are to be interpreted in the light of the New Testament teachings.

John 1: 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ .

The Bible provides a progressive understanding of God's nature and of the moral law.
God gradually revealed himself to humanity, using his pedagogy, which adapted the revelation to the moral and cultural backwardness of the people to whom it was addressed. jesus Himself explained this:
Matthew 19:7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

The idea that some food was unclean is simply the expression of the backwardness of the ancient Jews.

In what way were they backward? Why food?
 
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cook well, all good, like any meat
cat get bad stuff from any meat…
maybe vegetarian is best like the Hindus?


One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. Romans 14:2
 
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One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. Romans 14:2

Still question stands, why unclean and clean. If you say for health reasons, I don’t see why. Cook well and it’s okay. Why not God decree “make sure meat is thoroughly cooked”? Much healthier than forbidding certain foods - a better more effective overall measure.
 
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Still question stands, why unclean and clean. If you say for health reasons, I don’t see why. Cook well and it’s okay. Why not God decree “make sure meat is thoroughly cooked”? Much healthier than forbidding certain foods - a better more effective overall measure.

Pigs and shellfish etc are scavengers.
 
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In what way were they backward? Why food?
We are talking about people who were living about 1500 years BC. They were backward both from a moral point of view (the hardness of their heart) and from the point of view of scientific knowledge. Food is what gets into our body and an ignorant person may think that some food can introduce a moral evil inside yourself.
 
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We are talking about people who were living about 1500 years BC. They were backward both from a moral point of view (the hardness of their heart) and from the point of view of scientific knowledge. Food is what gets into our body and an ignorant person may think that some food can introduce a moral evil inside yourself.

I understand that, but still, what is the meaning and reasoning of clean and unclean exactly? I want to know where it’s coming from.

Looking at what the ancients created, like some pagodas, temples, pyramids or paintings, sculptures, mosaics etc, or their literary or spiritual writings, I tend to think the people of 1500 years ago were superior to us
 
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