Prophetice speech

Birck DK said:

Hallo

what are your opinion on prophetic speech?
how do you know it come from God Holy Spirit?

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Hi and welcome to the forum in Jesus name, a very interesting question, I will pray about that.

Birck DK said:

Hallo

what are your opinion on prophetic speech?
how do you know it come from God Holy Spirit?

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My opinion would depend on what you mean by prophetic speech. Maybe you can be more specific, maybe using one of more of the below: does the term imply necessarily a directly inspired one-time utterance?; directly inspired utterance equal to scripture in its authority and use?; merely driven to speak to one person or group concerning a temporary situation?; specific advice/admonition?; general warning/admonition/comfort?; foretelling future events?; or what?

Mark Quayle said:

My opinion would depend on what you mean by prophetic speech. Maybe you can be more specific, maybe using one of more of the below: does the term imply necessarily a directly inspired one-time utterance?; directly inspired utterance equal to scripture in its authority and use?; merely driven to speak to one person or group concerning a temporary situation?; specific advice/admonition?; general warning/admonition/comfort?; foretelling future events?; or what?

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Yes indeed. I beleive the biblical use is coined as 'Foretell' or 'Forthtell'. The later one being the speaker interpreting and or speaking as inspired by God.

Birck DK said:

how do you know it come from God Holy Spirit?

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One shouldn't conclude there isn't any 'acid-test' of determining whether something said is Holy Spirit directed authenticity. There is an interesting trail of logic here He has provided in my opinion. But keep ever in mind; the bottom line in all spoken inclusion is “the edifying of the church” (1 Corinthians 14:12, 26).

To attain a fuller understanding, we need to re-attach the gift of tongues and prophesy, which the scriptures do (if in fact, the gift is distributed to that individual): “If any man speak in an unknown tongue, , let one interpret” (1 Corinthians 14:27). Although, “he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues”.

Where does authenticity live? Two things must be maintained.

Liberality of tongues V-39
Church critiquing of prophesy V-29

Glory to God for this tradition, enablement, and understanding!

"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:" (Acts 2:17).

"Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (I Thess 5:20-21). Books have been written on this Biblical topic.

Since this is the Pentecostal & A of God forum, posters should not post against their teachings.

Birck DK said:

Hallo

what are your opinion on prophetic speech?
how do you know it come from God Holy Spirit?

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As this is the Pentecostal/AOG forums, all who post, outside of fellowship, should believe that the sign gifts (Prophecy, Tongues et. al.) are still for today.

Given that, how do we know it's from God and the Holy Spirit? Discernment and use of scriptures against what is said. If it goes against scripture, it is not of God.

Think it's interesting that Moses said to Joshua "...Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!." Num 11:29

''For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted." I Cor 14:31

Birck DK said:

I asked this question because if somebody says a prophecy
how can you tale where it come from God or mans mind or devil.
how to judge the prophecy.

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Probably the best thing to do is, if a word is spoken to you, keep it in your mind, if you can record it or write it down. Pray to God about it, ask the Holy Spirit to give you discernment regarding the word and if it involves a life change, ask God that if it is His will, to open the doors and make it happen. Be willing, but don't do anything drastic. When it comes to life changing words (words like move to Africa and become a missionary etc.), if that is truly God's will for you, He will make it plain for you and provide the way and you will have peace in your spirit. If it comes to pass that it was true, great! Otherwise, it was of man and you do not need to pay any attention to it.

Birck DK said:

I asked this question because if somebody says a prophecy
how can you tale where it come from God or mans mind or devil.
how to judge the prophecy.

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Not that I can always tell immediately, but I am almost always skeptical right from the start, even sometimes before I hear what a person has to say. And Skepticism is healthy, I think, in these matters.

But the Scriptural tests are true:

#1. Of the spirits: If [a spirit] confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, then it is of God. (While, (as I heard one atheist/agnostic describe this as silly, and he said, "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. There —I said it!") this can be quoted, not claimed —i.e. they are not really claiming it, but if anything demonstrating the opposite by way of attitude in merely quoting it— discernment and a habit of prayer and obedience, time spent with Christ, is very useful in these matters.

(A note concerning test #1: Some translations accurately use the word, 'confesses'. Some others go so far as to say, 'acknowledges', which to modern readers is rendered more definite as to the motivation behind the words. To merely say the words does not of itself, then, mean that the spirit (or the person) saying the words is of God. Yet it can well enough be said, that the words themselves, regardless of where/how they meet our attention, are of God.)

#2. The predicted event MUST come to pass. If it does not, the prophet was false. This is not always as immediately useful, as the predictions of even some of the Old Testament prophets have not yet come to pass, as far as we know. Thus healthy skepticism is useful.

What complicates, but from another POV simplifies, the matter, is that God uses even the false ones to accomplish his purposes! (It simplifies, because one doesn't always have to decide whether the so-called prophet is of God or not. God still gets his message across!)

What seems to be accepted here is advice to Churches who DON'T wiegh when a word hits the congregation, just the framework (which is good). But how is the framework going to invigorate 1 Cor 14:29B selection of wording just as God said to, let alone whether it is authentic.

And I caution to use that {questioning authenticity) wisely so as not to subtily drift from faith!!

Birck DK said:

Hallo

what are your opinion on prophetic speech?
how do you know it come from God Holy Spirit?

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When a person is prophesying you get one of 2 feelings; you either can sense it is the Spirit or sense it is from the soul of the person. Being able to sense it comes with maturity in the Spirit as Paul mentions in Ephesians 4. That’s why each church must be one in the Spirit. The Holy Spirit talks to me/prepares me during the week for what I will receive at church. When the message don’t match, that’s a big red flag. I feel unease in my Spirit because many messages nowadays come from personal hurt and unforgiveness instead of revelation.

We can use John 10:10 to help determine the source:
"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

I would be shocked to find some here whom have not run into this type of Chistian who does not 'rightly divide' 1 John 4:1, but lives by the first-half:


No one has to convince me among those who immerse themselves in a hatred of this avenue of faith, are likely shoppers of other evil baggage as well.

rocknanchor said:

I would be shocked to find some here whom have not run into this type of Chistian who does not 'rightly divide' 1 John 4:1, but lives by the first-half:

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, , "​

No one has to convince me among those who immerse themselves in a hatred of this avenue of faith, are likely shoppers of other evil baggage as well.

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On the flip side, I've met some people who believes that the gifts are for today, whether they be Pentecostal/AOG, WOF, Charismatic etc. who ignore that verse completely and accept every type of word or alleged miracle as gospel.

spiritfilledjm said:

On the flip side, I've met some people who believes that the gifts are for today, whether they be Pentecostal/AOG, WOF, Charismatic etc. who ignore that verse completely and accept every type of word or alleged miracle as gospel.

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Discernment is of constant importance, I agree. Surely, we all take solace in the simple, genuine admonition of the Apostles (1 John 4:6) of what to steer into, and what to flee. This cannot be excluded from the Gospel of Christ. Message, commandment and precept is the mission.