FOLLOWING MAN MADE TRADITIONS AND TEACHINGS OR THE WORD OF GOD?

LoveGodsWord said:

You post here dear friend does not really make much sense. How can one be under the law of Christ through faith by not believing and following what God's Word says? - You cannot as the fruit of faith is following what God's word says (John 10:26-27). Faith is not demonstrated in not following what God's Word says it is expressed in doing what God's Word says *Matthew 7:21-23. *James 2:17-26. As shown from the scriptures in the posts already shared with you from the very words of Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40 who is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12; John in 1 John 2:3-4; love is expressed in obedience to Gods' law. Love is not expressed in disobedience to breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods Word says, because as Jesus says on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40.

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law)

Take Care dear friend.

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pasifika said:

Hello LGW,
Be very careful of using that statement "following God's Word"...
As God's Word can be a "Blessing" if you follow it perfectly...
AND
Can also be a "curse" if you fail to follow it...

The law in Sinai (10commandments) you claim to follow them, will Only end up "condemning You"...

Read.. book of Romans for a start..

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LoveGodsWord said:

According to the scriptures, Jesus says unless a man is born again he will not enter the Kingdom of heaven. Truly, truly, I say to you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit *John 3:5-6. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; Romans 14:23. According to the scriptures, those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods Word say) *1 John 3:6-9; see also Romans 6:1-23 and those who claim to know God while breaking God's commandments are liars and the truth is not in them according to 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6. According to John those who practice sin and those who do not practice sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:4-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Paul in Romans agreeing with John says that those who walk in the Spirit do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *Galatians 5:16. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. *Romans 8:1-4. For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if we through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God (Romans 8:13-14). Faith therefore does not abolish God's law like some people teach it establishes God's law in the lives of all those who believe and follow what God's Word says *see Romans 3:31. Anything else according to James is the dead faith of devils in James 2:16-27.

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law)

Take Care dear friend.

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SabbathBlessings said:

Who is teaching you that keeping the commandments of God is a curse? That sinning is good and not sinning is bad. I know it was predicted the lawlessness would be abound- this teaching is not coming from God.

Romans tell us Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

And John tells us For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome 1 John 5:3

And in the Revelations of Jesus Christ we are told:

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Perhaps you don’t understand the different laws and their roles for us in the scriptures. God personally wrote the Ten Commandments with His own Finger and they were placed inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple.

That does not sound like a curse to me. God’s commandments reflect the character of our Savior and are PERFECT. James 1:25, RIGHTEOUS Psalm 119:142, PURE Psalm19:8 and UNCHANGING Matthew 5:18

You might want to rethink what you are teaching others. Jesus has some warnings of this very thing. Matthew 5:19, Matthew 7:21-23

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LoveGodsWord said:

This is non-responsive to the post you are quoting from and simply ignoring all the scriptures shared with you there that disagrees with you. As shown in the post you are quoting from according to the scriptures, no one is born again if they are breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments (see 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9) Please read the scriptures provided in post you are quoting from (post # 124 linked). As posted in the post you are quoting from sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *see James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; Romans 14:23. According to the scriptures, those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's law and not believing and following what Gods Word say) *1 John 3:6-9; see also Romans 6:1-23 and those who claim to know God while breaking God's commandments are liars and the truth is not in them according to 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6. According to John those who practice sin and those who do not practice sin is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:4-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law)

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pasifika said:

Hello SB
Here, the commandments brought death...Romans 7:10...
Yes the Law is holy, just and good..."But" Are you???
Since we are the one who have to follow that law...
You should quote Romans 7:12-14 to see what Paul is saying here...

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pasifika said:

Hello LGW,
I agree with all the Scriptures you posted...it has nothing to do with the 10 commandments But Faith...

You see, the problem here you seem that you don't distinguish the difference between "Faith" AND "law of works or 10C"...

You need to distinguish between the two so we can be on same page..

There is no lawless in Faith..rather Faith uphold law (Righteousness)...

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SabbathBlessings said:

We are certainly not made holy or righteous by sinning, which is what you are teaching. Paul does not teach lawlessness. The disciples had a hard time understanding Paul and it seems things have only gotten worse over time. Paul does not teach a different Gospel than Jesus and Paul tells us that keeping the commandments of God is WHAT MATTERS 1 Cor 7:19 Jesus says IF you love Me Keep My commandments, which you teach something different.

We don’t follow the law to be righteous, our obedience to God is out of pure love. Sorry it seems you do not understand this concept. God bless

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LoveGodsWord said:

Then if you agree with the scriptures posted you will see that our faith has everything to do with keeping Gods' commandments as faith does not break Gods' laws it upholds them and establishes them as shown in Romans 3:31; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-9. Once again no one has ever said to you once that we get our righteousness from keeping the law. According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4. According to James if our faith does not lead to obedience to what God's Word says then all we have is the dead faith of devils *James 2:17-26 that Jesus says at the second coming "depart from me you who work iniquity I never knew you" *Matthew 7:21-23 links to 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6.

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law)

Take Care dear friend.

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pasifika said:

If you follow the 10 commandments to be righteous...then you must understand the "Righteous requirements" under the covenant in which the 10commandments was given...see Ex 19

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We don’t follow the law to be righteous, our obedience to God is out of pure love. Sorry it seems you do not understand this concept. God bless

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LoveGodsWord said:

No one said anywhere to you that we get our righteousness from keeping the law so please stop pretending that they have. In fact we have only been showing scripture that says the opposite of what your saying here (see post # 132 linked). No one has said anywhere that God's 10 commandments are faith either so your making arguments now that no one is arguing about. According to God's Word in the new covenant the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. The purpose of God's law therefore is to show us that we are all sinners in need of God's grace and forgiveness for our sins *Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:9-20 and to lead us to Christ so that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. Faith however according to Paul in Romans 3:31 says that faith does not abolish Gods' law (like your teaching) but establishes God's law in all those who believe and follow what God's Word says *see also Romans 8:1-4; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14. Gods salvation therefore according to the scriptures is not salvation so that we can continue to practice known unrepentant sin *Hebrews 10:26-31, but salvation from sin which is disobedience to God's word and not believing and following what God's Word says. *John 8:31-36. Therefore as James says if our faith does not lead to obedience to what God's Word says then all we have is the dead faith of devils *James 2:17-26 that Jesus says at the second coming "depart from me you who work iniquity I never knew you" *Matthew 7:21-23 links to 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6.

Gods' Word does not teach lawlessness (without law)

Take Care dear friend.

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Bob S said:

LGW wrote: "No one said anywhere to you that we get our righteousness from keeping the law so please stop pretending that they have."

Why are you hiding what you believe under a bushel? Why haven't you proclaimed what your reverend prophet wrote? Why not proclaim what you believe? The following smacks of salvation by works. It didn't work for the Israelites, so why do you think it will work for all of us "weaker" generations? (Another Ellen belief)

But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light. {HS 234.3}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

Salvation by works of the old covenant Law.

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”

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