Judge not lest you be judged

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Matthew 7

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I have heard so many Christians interpret this passage to mean you can judge others as long as you are not doing the sin yourself. However, Christ compares a plank, a log, a 2x4, in your own eye, while pointing out the speck of your brother. A plank is not a speck. A plank in your eye will greatly impair your vision, and trying to remove the speck from your brother's eye will most likely result in poking his eye out. A speck in your eye, however, will irritate your eye at worst.

This is my interpretation, and I am interested to know how others understand it. We can only change our own life, and should be examining our lives, pray that the HS search our hearts and show us the sin in our own lives first. If done in sincerity, this should keep anyone occupied, looking up to Christ to reveal our sin, rather than down at our neighbor.

He begins by warning us not to judge, lest we be judged ourselves. If we judge harshly without mercy, so shall we be judged by God. If we don't have all of the information, we shall be judged without hearing your case. If we judge those we don't know, we will be judged by a stranger. It is easy to judge others as bad, and ourselves good, but unlike a modern judge, listening without bias to both sides, we often judge from our own knowledge, unfairly, or without hearing all the information, bordering on gossip.

The plank would be lack of love, for example. That is far greater a sin, because if hate your brother whom you have seen, you cannot love God whom you have not seen. You have violated the one commandment Christ emphasized, loving your neighbor as yourself, and when you do this, you love God with your heart, soul and mind.

Only when you have love can you help your brother with the speck, because you are not doing it to show superiority or to shame, but to edify your brother.

So, while this passages explains how to properly judge, it severely warns about judging others incorrectly, and of focusing on the petty sin of your brother while yours is serious and needs to be address.

And yet, after all that, I hear someone say, "See? "Judge not" tell us we are to judge!"

Pearls before swine, I suppose.

How do you interpret this passage?
 
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This is the chapter that contains one of my favorite verses:

12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets.

I think you have a good point that we often do not have all of the information. I for one take seriously the admonitions to mind one's own business, fully aware that everyone has their own battles to face which I am ill equipped to fight myself. Sin is like a complicated illness, and it's wholly insufficient to judge as if to wrap things up as "yep, that's sin, judgment time." That would be a cartoonish, Tom-and-Jerry version of the reality of sin and the role of judgment, etc. Granted, it might be fun to some who are woefully unfamiliar with their own fallibility, but the reality is far more complex.

The only context where I think judgment is called for among christians in a more immediate sense is where someone is seriously wronged by another. Then there is a problem that needs to be sorted out.
 
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I think the OP is correct. This is a major part of the sermon on the Mount which emphasizes forgiveness. On a profound & practical level, the Lord tells us to treat each other with mutual respect ( the golden rule Matthew 7:12). We have every right to discern sin wherever it is but we must be careful in our actions ( Matthew 10:16). I think the parable of the Pharisee & publican in Luke 18:9-14 lines up pretty good here as an example to beware of judging others.

This is a major challenge in living out our faith.
 
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Matthew 7

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I have heard so many Christians interpret this passage to mean you can judge others as long as you are not doing the sin yourself. However, Christ compares a plank, a log, a 2x4, in your own eye, while pointing out the speck of your brother. A plank is not a speck. A plank in your eye will greatly impair your vision, and trying to remove the speck from your brother's eye will most likely result in poking his eye out. A speck in your eye, however, will irritate your eye at worst.

This is my interpretation, and I am interested to know how others understand it. We can only change our own life, and should be examining our lives, pray that the HS search our hearts and show us the sin in our own lives first. If done in sincerity, this should keep anyone occupied, looking up to Christ to reveal our sin, rather than down at our neighbor.

He begins by warning us not to judge, lest we be judged ourselves. If we judge harshly without mercy, so shall we be judged by God. If we don't have all of the information, we shall be judged without hearing your case. If we judge those we don't know, we will be judged by a stranger. It is easy to judge others as bad, and ourselves good, but unlike a modern judge, listening without bias to both sides, we often judge from our own knowledge, unfairly, or without hearing all the information, bordering on gossip.

The plank would be lack of love, for example. That is far greater a sin, because if hate your brother whom you have seen, you cannot love God whom you have not seen. You have violated the one commandment Christ emphasized, loving your neighbor as yourself, and when you do this, you love God with your heart, soul and mind.

Only when you have love can you help your brother with the speck, because you are not doing it to show superiority or to shame, but to edify your brother.

So, while this passages explains how to properly judge, it severely warns about judging others incorrectly, and of focusing on the petty sin of your brother while yours is serious and needs to be address.

And yet, after all that, I hear someone say, "See? "Judge not" tell us we are to judge!"

Pearls before swine, I suppose.

How do you interpret this passage?

While you are correct that we can ultimately only change ourselves, we need Gods grace to do so.

We as Christians have an obligation to call out sinful behavior when it's showes itself, but at the proper time and place, not being accusatory or judgemental, but out of concern for the persons walk with the lord.

Of course, some people will not receive this well, and will spin off the handle, and freak out...quoting this passage, so be ready for that. Others will patronize you, or talk sarcastically to you, and if you know them well quickly remind you of your own failings...."your one to talk"...just saying.

Staying calm, pulling them aside in private after the dust settles, and being respectful of the person are key. It may also help if you can relate your own struggles and failings.

If you just call them out without thinking, you will just look foolish, and hypocritical, and will not help anything.
 
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I think the OP is correct. This is a major part of the sermon on the Mount which emphasizes forgiveness. On a profound & practical level, the Lord tells us to treat each other with mutual respect ( the golden rule Matthew 7:12). We have every right to discern sin wherever it is but we must be careful in our actions ( Matthew 10:16). I think the parable of the Pharisee & publican in Luke 18:9-14 lines up pretty good here as an example to beware of judging others.

This is a major challenge in living out our faith.

I was watching a youtube video and laughed because I'm probably guilty of it - where we look at someone acting holier than thou, pointing to others and judging "sinner", and then think, "I thank you Lord that I'm not like other people .like those who are modern day Pharisees..." and have unknowingly become the very thing you condemn
 
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While you are correct that we can ultimately only change ourselves, we need Gods grace to do so.

We as Christians have an obligation to call out sinful behavior when it's showes itself, but at the proper time and place, not being accusatory or judgemental, but out of concern for the persons walk with the lord.

Of course, some people will not receive this well, and will spin off the handle, and freak out...quoting this passage, so be ready for that. Others will patronize you, or talk sarcastically to you, and if you know them well quickly remind you of your own failings...."your one to talk"...just saying.

Staying calm, pulling them aside in private after the dust settles, and being respectful of the person are key. It may also help if you can relate your own struggles and failings.

If you just call them out without thinking, you will just look foolish, and hypocritical, and will not help anything.

Exactly. It should be done to edify. But I think one has to really take on honest look at themselves first and ask, "Why do I feel motivated to say something?"

Do you approach an overweight person, and tell them gluttony is a sin, and the body is a temple for the HS because you love them?

I can't discuss being gay because of forum policies which I can respect while disagreeing. So instead, I want use the example if drinking.

The bible talks against drunkeness, but there are church goers that get frunk. Personally, I don't have more than 2-3 drinks at any time. I got drunk often in college and found I didn't like it, not line being around drunk people.

But let's say I tell someone that I met sn old friend for drinks. The other church member believes all forms of drinking, even a glass of wine with your meal, is a sin. They give me a book, Sipping Saints, that uses scripture to forbid drinking alcohol at all. While I find it interesting, I don't see the "sin." In moderation, it doesn't harm the body, nor impair you. Still they keep going back to scripture, say new wine was juice, old wine was fermenting juice or wine, and continue to state that I am sinning.

What does one do in that situation?

What does one do if the other keeps harping on it, and agreeing to disagree isn't acceptable?
 
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Exactly. It should be done to edify. But I think one has to really take on honest look at themselves first and ask, "Why do I feel motivated to say something?"

Do you approach an overweight person, and tell them gluttony is a sin, and the body is a temple for the HS because you love them?

I can't discuss being gay because of forum policies which I can respect while disagreeing. So instead, I want use the example if drinking.

The bible talks against drunkeness, but there are church goers that get frunk. Personally, I don't have more than 2-3 drinks at any time. I got drunk often in college and found I didn't like it, not line being around drunk people.

But let's say I tell someone that I met sn old friend for drinks. The other church member believes all forms of drinking, even a glass of wine with your meal, is a sin. They give me a book, Sipping Saints, that uses scripture to forbid drinking alcohol at all. While I find it interesting, I don't see the "sin." In moderation, it doesn't harm the body, nor impair you. Still they keep going back to scripture, say new wine was juice, old wine was fermenting juice or wine, and continue to state that I am sinning.

What does one do in that situation?

What does one do if the other keeps harping on it, and agreeing to disagree isn't acceptable?
I've had a couple confront me once, and my neighbors once, well meaning no doubt.

The couple had asked me to set up a meeting with my neighbors and them at my house. My neighbors' child was dying of some brain disease the Mayo Clinic had not knowledge of, and this couple told them if they had more faith their child would be healed. We neither one argued, though I was considerably offended. The couple eventually finished their coffee and left.

Later, they came to my house specifically to inform me that I, my body being a temple of the Holy Ghost, was sinning against the Spirit of God by getting a sunburn. They wouldn't accept, "well, I don't see it that way", nor any of my arguments to the contrary, of course, so I finally told them that when the Spirit convicted me of it, I would listen. Then, because I shut my mouth and they ran out of things to say, they left.

Not that it is particularly relevant, but the man had lost his first wife to cancer, refusing treatment, and still believed it was because of lack of faith. Also, eventually, the new wife divorced him, purportedly for his irresponsible use of income. I think of him like I do some other situations in life: sometimes, you just gotta muddle through what you can't reasonably avoid.
 
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I would point out that if you have a 2x4 plank in your eye...
"first remove it"

...You probably want to seek professional help with that one
(and I think that may have been part of the intent )
"Your problem is so big, you need divine help
It is beyond your ability to correct"
 
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