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You still think you love Jesus because you do some good stuff?
I never said that. You are twisting my words. Jesus doesn't love me because I do good! He loves me because he is good! I could be Hitler and he'd still love me. If you don't understand the depths of your sin how can you understand that you can't do anything to make God love you more or less? If he loves based on your good deeds, we all are doomed, because he is perfect and we never are.
 
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I've listened to you enough now to know you are not interested in learning anything from me. I think this is probably just a waste of my time.

You think I am guilty of teaching error on confession?

You taught we are saved BEFORE WE CONFESS OUR FAITH IN CHRIST.

You are not a Bible student. Paul says you confess UNTO SALVATION. Do you not understand you are the guilty one?
Romans 10:9-10
That IF, IF, IF, thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thy heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, THOU [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] BE SAVED. . THOU SHALT BE SAVED.

Is Paul teaching we are already saved before confession here? If you think so, you need some serious work on English grammar comprehension or maybe an honest heart.

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For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I know you reject Jesus' gospel. You only hear Paul say believeth with the heart. But the honest individual also hears confession with the mouth unto salvation. You know the meaning of unto?

And BTW:
"And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,"

You take this verse and automatically think Faith Alone!
Have you ever stopped to notice Paul does not use the word alone or only here?

You already forgot Synecdoche on purpose didn't you.

And to the one who does not work
All works? Not obeying any commandments in Jesus' gospel like say this commandment, 1John 3:23-24.

More ignorance on display, Paul is speaking of the works of the law of Moses not all works in general. Also he is referring to meritorious works.


And BTW:


"Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

Once again, you dont know that the works of the law is the law of Moses Paul is teaching , that does not save us.
So, this verse mentions just faith. That's the whole gospel right? Except Paul did not mention repentance did he?

BTW:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."


Can one boast from obeying the command to believe? No. Do we boast we saved ourselves when we obey the command to repent, No.

Only works one can boast from is MERITORIOUS. Paul is not teaching about the commands in Jesus' gospel. But meritorious arrogant works!! That's where boasting comes from.
Also about Epheasians 2:8-9. Teach me how the Epheasians in Ephesus were saved? Do you know the scriptures where Paul taught them the gospel? Guess what? Paul did not teach them no works to be saved, Acts 19:1-7.

And BTW:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life."
After Jesus taught those that keep all of His word love Him. You really think still this verse teaches we do no commandments to be saved.
Those scriptures I shared with you went in one ear and out the other.
So believe in this verse has the word only/alone attached to it right? Forgot Synecdoche again I see.

Whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me
You do not believe His word. You don't believe that Jesus said, Mark 16:15-16 ....he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be danmed.

That just ruined your whole false doctrine of abusing John 5:24 as you did.

And BTW:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

There it is again! You faith alone folks love to cherry pick what verses you want to believe.
Once again no mention of repentance in John 3:16!
Wonder why you left out Mark 16:15-16 in your cherry picked false gospel.

I'm afraid you're in this camp renniks,
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

That they all might be danmed who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I'm not interested in discussing Bible with you anymore. Since you put your churches creeds and traditions over the truth.















 
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I never said that. You are twisting my words. Jesus doesn't love me because I do good! He loves me because he is good! I could be Hitler and he'd still love me. If you don't understand the depths of your sin how can you understand that you can't do anything to make God love you more or less? If he loves based on your good deeds, we all are doomed, because he is perfect and we never are.
Ignorance on display, our discussion has always been on what the gospel of salvation is and how we are saved by it.

If you dont love Jesus, you cannot be saved. John 14:15 ; 1John 2:3-5.

You don't believe in keeping all of His commandments.
Jesus says you don't love Him, John 14:15
 
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Fine good news,

Paul said the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ is ONE, Epheasians 4:5.

Jude says Jesus' good news gospel was delivered ONCE FOR ALL TIME!

Guojing you have two gospels being delivered two different times.

Your doctrine, Paul disagrees with. It is heresey, Epheasians 4:5

Why would you think God only has one good news for mankind throughout the Bible?

For example, the good news that God told Nathan to relay to David, the gospel of the kingdom, in 2 Samuel 7

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

Do you think this is good news to David, and to Israel? Is this a gospel?
 
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Only works one can boast from is MERITORIOUS. Paul is not teaching about the commands in Jesus' gospel. But meritorious arrogant works!! That's where boasting comes from.
And now you are creating another kind of works? Right, no work merits us anything. What's so hard to understand about this? We can boast that we keep all the commands all the time which makes us boasting liars. Or we can acknowledge that's it's all God and not me at all. Anything good I do is through him alone by faith alone.
 
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Ignorance on display, our discussion has always been on what the gospel of salvation is and how we are saved by it.

If you dont love Jesus, you cannot be saved. John 14:15 ; 1John 2:3-5.

You don't believe in keeping all of His commandments.
Jesus says you don't love Him, John 14:15
Do you keep all his commands all the time? Funny how you never answered that question?

And since you keep saying we are saved by obedience what I said was right on target.

You would put all the broken Christians who have failed to love God and others well into the catagory of unsaved. Thank God that he's more merciful and loving than you!
Take heed if you think you stand, lest you fall.
Pride is the root of all sin.
These days I'm an advocate for those believers who are barely holding on and fail daily to live up to their potential. There's many of these hurting people in the world and they need your compassion, not your condemnation.
 
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Do you keep all his commands all the time? Funny how you never answered that question?

And since you keep saying we are saved by obedience what I said was right on target.

You would put all the broken Christians who have failed to love God and others well into the catagory of unsaved. Thank God that he's more merciful and loving than you!
Take heed if you think you stand, lest you fall.
Pride is the root of all sin.
These days I'm an advocate for those believers who are barely holding on and fail daily to live up to their potential. There's many of these hurting people in the world and they need your compassion, not your condemnation.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do error, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. 1John 5:3

You do not know God or love God.

Your religion is not the word of Christ.

Your religion is emotionalism.

You care not of Gods teaching. Your feelings are what guide your beliefs.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word and not herers only, DECEIVEING YOURSELVES

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But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty(Christ's new Law) AND CONTINUETH THEREIN, HE BEING NOT A FORGETFUL HEARER, BUT A DOER OF THE WORK, THIS MAN SHALL BE BLESSED IN HIS DEED.

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Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction AND

TO KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD.

 
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Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do error, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. 1John 5:3

You do not know God or love God.

Your religion is not the word of Christ.

Your religion is emotionalism.

You care not of Gods teaching. Your feelings are what guide your beliefs.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word and not herers only, DECEIVEING YOURSELVES

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But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty(Christ's new Law) AND CONTINUETH THEREIN, HE BEING NOT A FORGETFUL HEARER, BUT A DOER OF THE WORK, THIS MAN SHALL BE BLESSED IN HIS DEED.

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Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction AND

TO KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD.
I see you failed to answer about your own failures.

Whenever you point at others you are pointing at yourself also.
 
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I see you failed to answer about your own failures.

Whenever you point at others you are pointing at yourself also.
I already taught what Christians are to do when they sin against God, 1John1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithfull and just to forgive us our sins AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

You do not have ears to hear,, Mark 8:18

I am righteous, I am cleansed because I repent of my sins and obey Gods commandments, 1John 1:9 ; Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS OF GOD BY FAITH.

I am cleansed because of Jesus Christ. Not of my own

I am made righteous because of Christ, Not of my own doing!
 
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I already taught what Christians are to do when they sin against God, 1John1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithfull and just to forgive us our sins AND TO CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

You do not have ears to hear,, Mark 8:18

I am righteous, I am cleansed because I repent of my sins and obey Gods commandments, 1John 1:9 ; Romans 5:8
But God commenderh his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Philippians 3:9
And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS OF GOD BY FAITH.

I am cleansed because of Jesus Christ. Not of my own

I am made righteous because of Christ, Not of my own doing!
Only you have just told me multiple times that it all depends on you doing everything right so you can be saved. If you forget to confess a sin in your theology, that's it, God drops you like a hot potato. I know your theology because I was taught it. It doesn't bring assurance of salvation. It doesn't bring peace because it's all about my performance being good enough for God.
God loves us at our worst as much as he loves us at our best.
I know it's hard to swallow.
But that's the good news.
"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

Blessings, I found this conversation enlightening because it made me marvel anew at God's grace.
 
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You have falsely accused me multiple times.

You are reframing what I have previously said about obedience by keeping Gods commandments.

Only you have just told me multiple times that it all depends on you doing everything right so you can be saved.

This above accusation against me is a flat out lie.

Not once have I taught one must be sinlessly perfect to be saved. Yet you keep accusing me of teaching this.

Fact about sinless perfection. No one, no one, no one believes this or teaches this.

Not mormons

Not muslims

Not Catholics

Not seventh day Adventist

Not Baptist

Not Hindus

Not Buddhists

Not hari Krishna

Not seekism

Not one religion on the planet ever teaches you must be absolutely perfect.

So, where does this made up false claim come from?

It comes from folks who have been taught that if we try to be faithfull obedient servants of God.

This automatically makes us proud arrogant believers in self salvation. A false accusation of self- righteousness.

How did this idea, this perversion of seeing someone who is striving to do Gods will as best to their ability. Become a supposed person who is self-righteous, proud and trusting in self-salvation?

Why the very followers of the religion of do nothing for God (Obedience to God) or else God WILL NOT SAVE YOU!!!!

The perverted religion of belief only and no obedience to God for salvation. Sola fide!

This is their made up false accusation that they accuse anyone who dares try and keep all of Gods commandments for God to bless them.

True faithfull obedient followers of Christ can only be one thing to these unbelievers in obeying God to be saved by God.

Proud boaters of self. Self-righteous, self serving, meritorious works salvationists.

AMAZING!!!! Amazing how deceived folks who do not know the scriptures can be led by false teachers and their false doctrines into complete blindness from reality and the truth.

Faith and obedience to be saved? They think: ARE YOU INSANE!!!!

The devil is excellent at turning good into evil and evil into good isn't he.

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

The belief only and zero obedience religion will tell you:

You're saved if you will not obey Jesus.

And to the obedient servants of Jesus they believe:

You are damned to hell for obeying God.

Their minds are corrupted, they are deceived followers of doctrines of demons.

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said,
Father forgive them; for they know not what they do

 
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You have falsely accused me multiple times.

You are reframing what I have previously said about obedience by keeping Gods commandments.



This above accusation against me is a flat out lie.

Not once have I taught one must be sinlessly perfect to be saved. Yet you keep accusing me of teaching this.

Fact about sinless perfection. No one, no one, no one believes this or teaches this.

Not mormons

Not muslims

Not Catholics

Not seventh day Adventist

Not Baptist

Not Hindus

Not Buddhists

Not hari Krishna

Not seekism

Not one religion on the planet ever teaches you must be absolutely perfect.

So, where does this made up false claim come from?

It comes from folks who have been taught that if we try to be faithfull obedient servants of God.

This automatically makes us proud arrogant believers in self salvation. A false accusation of self- righteousness.

How did this idea, this perversion of seeing someone who is striving to do Gods will as best to their ability. Become a supposed person who is self-righteous, proud and trusting in self-salvation?

Why the very followers of the religion of do nothing for God (Obedience to God) or else God WILL NOT SAVE YOU!!!!

The perverted religion of belief only and no obedience to God for salvation. Sola fide!

This is their made up false accusation that they accuse anyone who dares try and keep all of Gods commandments for God to bless them.

True faithfull obedient followers of Christ can only be one thing to these unbelievers in obeying God to be saved by God.

Proud boaters of self. Self-righteous, self serving, meritorious works salvationists.

AMAZING!!!! Amazing how deceived folks who do not know the scriptures can be led by false teachers and their false doctrines into complete blindness from reality and the truth.

Faith and obedience to be saved? They think: ARE YOU INSANE!!!!

The devil is excellent at turning good into evil and evil into good isn't he.

Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

The belief only and zero obedience religion will tell you:

Your saved if you will not obey Jesus.

And to the obedient servants of Jesus they believe:

You are damned to hell for obeying God.

Their minds are corrupted, they are deceived followers of doctrines of demons.

Luke 23:34
Then Jesus said,
Father forgive them; for they know not what they do
Wow, you got all that from what I said?
I'm all for obedience. I never said don't be obedient. I never said don't serve God. I never said we aren't commanded to be obedient. Is any of this sinking in?
But you have stated over and over that obedience is part of salvation. That works are part of what saves you.
I have done ministry. I have done works. Believing those works made God love me more or earned me salvation, though? That's a false gospel. Are you going to tell God he should let you into heaven because of your deeds or because of what Jesus did on your account?
All your good deeds are like dirty tampons to a holy God. That's scripture.
 
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Wow, you got all that from what I said?
I'm all for obedience. I never said don't be obedient. I never said don't serve God. I never said we aren't commanded to be obedient. Is any of this sinking in?
But you have stated over and over that obedience is part of salvation. That works are part of what saves you.
I have done ministry. I have done works. Believing those works made God love me more or earned me salvation, though? That's a false gospel. Are you going to tell God he should let you into heaven because of your deeds or because of what Jesus did on your account?
All your good deeds are like dirty tampons to a holy God. That's scripture.

You have rejected works to be saved. And even accuse the obedient of "works salvation".

You have rejected obedient works to be saved this entire discussion!

And perverted what I taught into meritorious salvation.

Those who will not obey Jesus' gospel, Mark 16:15-16,; Acts 2:38 ; Acts 8:37; Acts 22:16.

Cannot be saved.

Only those who have obeyed the gospel have access to Gods grace and eternal life,

Hebrews 5:8-9
Though He were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;

And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him

renniks speaks contradictions ,

She claims she believes in obedience but refuses to obey the gospel to be saved.

You cannot have it both ways.

Either you believe obedience is how God saves us. Or you reject obedience is how God saves us.

We are saved by faith and obedient works to the gospel.

Proof renniks does not believe in obedience is by her choice of "salvation verses". Her gospel is only belief and no obedience to Jesus,

Really? When did you confess Christ? Before you were saved or after? How do you go tell someone before it happens? You are misusing a verse to try and make confession what saves you.

And BTW:
"And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,"

And BTW:


"Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified."

And BTW:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

And BTW:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life."

And BTW:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

Her gospel is God saves I do nothing but believe.

There is no obedience in her gospel!

Therefore she follows a loveless gospel, no love for God whatsoever. One could hate God just believe in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 and God would save the disobedient hater of God but believer, James 2:19.


John 14:21
He that hath My commandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him, and manifest Myself to him.

Only through obedience of keeping Gods commandments do we love God.

rennik rejects Jesus' commandments,

Mark 16:15-16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be danmed

She rejects God saving her through her obedience(love) for Him, Hebrews 5:8-9.

The faith that saves is faith +obedientworks is love, James 2:24








 
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You have rejected works to be saved. And even accuse the obedient of "works salvation
Not the obedient. Only those who think that obedience merits them salvation somehow. Like credit towards heaven I suppose. How much credit do you have to accrue to earn your way into the kingdom?
 
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Either you believe obedience is how God saves us. Or you reject obedience is how God saves us.
Of course it doesn't save us. That's not the same as telling someone not to obey. We should obey out of love for God, no fear of God.
 
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God is love.

God only saves those who love Him.

Gods word teaches obedience is love for God.

John 14:24

Those who understand the teachings of Christ, understand no love of God without obedience to God.

Jesus taught the obedient will be saved, given eternal life.

Jesus teaches the obedient are those that love Him.

The gospel of Jesus Christ teaches only those that (love obey) God receive eternal life,

Hebrews 5:8-9
....And being made perfect He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that (obey,love) Him

Faith alone is a loveless gospel, James 2:19
 
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Therefore she follows a loveless gospel, no love for God whatsoever. One could hate God just believe in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 and God would save the disobedient hater of God but believer, James 2:19.
Lol, well now you are just being weird. How can one hate God and trust him? Impossible!
 
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Lol, well now you are just being weird. How can one hate God and trust him? Impossible!
You do. Your ignorance is why its weird to you.

Hebrews 5:8-9

You have no obedience in your gospel to be saved. No love to be saved. Even haters of God can be saved if they believe alone. A loveless gospel
 
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