WHY SALVATION CAN BE LOST

returntosender said:

@Saint Steven can answer that if he will. I am just coming off of covid and my brain is toast, sorry.

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I very much doubt that. @Saint Steven teaches lawlessness (my meaning here is without law or God's 10 commandments are abolished) and Universalism which I believe is not biblical according to the scriptures. I am sorry to hear about your COVID experience.

Please take care.

Doug Brents said:

So if your faith has grown to the point that you are now convinced that we are not commanded in the NT to keep the sabbath, then for you that is not a sin.

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Hello Doug, if I use your same argument here but take out God's 4th commandment and replace it with say the 7th commandment "thou shalt not commit adultery" *Exodus 20:14 from the same 10 commandments. If I now convince myself I can now commit adultery in the new covenant does that mean if I commit adultery in the new covenant it is no longer sin? Is this not ignoring that the bible defines as sin (see *Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; James 2:10-11 see also Hebrews 10:26-31; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Romans 14:23) which is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says?

Doug Brents said:

Not at all, because that commandment is restated several times in the NT. Several times we are told that murders, and thieves, and sexually immoral, etc. will not enter the Kingdom. But the Sabbath is not restated as a command in the NT.

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Doug, everyone of God's 10 commandments are restated in the new testament. (scriptures support here and scripture support here linked). We are even told in Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains (left behind) for the people of God to keep the Sabbath (Aramaic) but there is too many scriptures on the Sabbath being restated in the new testament (see linked posts above). So the question remains. If I now convince myself I can now commit adultery in the new covenant does that mean if I commit adultery in the new covenant it is no longer sin? Is this not ignoring that the bible defines as sin (see *Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; James 2:10-11 see also Hebrews 10:26-31; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Romans 14:23) which is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says?

Take Care.

Saint Steven said:

No, the law does not replace the Ten Commandments. (the TCs) The Ten Commandments are a subset of the law. (613 laws).

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You have this back the front Steve. According to the scripture God alone both spoke *Exodus 20:1-17 and wrote the 10 commandments on two tables of stone with His own finger which was the work of God alone given to His people *Exodus 32:15-16. The subset laws were complimentary laws of Gods' 10 commandments given in the Mosiac book of the law *see Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Joshua 8:34; 23:6 etc; written and spoken by Moses in the book of the covenant under Gods' guidance and direction *see Exodus 24:7. The Mosiac book of the law included a copy of the words of Gods' 10 commandments spoken by God and written by God on two tables of stone; All the background to God as creator of heaven and earth and all mankind and his covenants with His people in Genesis and Exodus; Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers (Torah), all the laws for the remission of sins in case God's 10 commandments were ever broken including all the laws of the Sanctuary service and the Levitical Priesthood; the civil laws for the nation of Israel. Together both God's 10 commandments *Exodus 20:1-17 spoken and written by God alone on two tables of stone and the Mosiac book of the law *Deuteronomy 31:24-26 written and spoken by Moses together made of the old covenant. These were together separated in the Ark of the covenant (see Deuteronomy 10:2-5 and Deuteronomy 31:24-26).

Saint Steven said:

Here's what the Apostle Paul said about the TCs. Assuming they were engraved in letters on stone. Scripture below. The TCs are the transitory ministry of condemnation and death that have no glory now. The letter of the law kills, but the Spirit of grace gives life. Also see Galatians 3:23-25 2 Corinthians 3:6-11 NIV He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

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And here is what Paul says when the actual context is added back into the discussion that is being left out in the post above. According to the scriptures it is the ministration of the letter that is "transitory" or passes away with the ministration of the Spirit. That is because it is the letter of the law that gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) ans because all of us have sinned and are sinners (Romans 3:9-20; Romans 6:23) the wages of sin is condemnation and death. It is this ministration of the letter that brings condemnation and death that is "transitory" to the ministration of the Spirit that brings mercy, grace and forgiveness though faith the works by love which is God's new covenant promise to all those who believe and follow what Gods 'Word says *Hebrews 8:10-12; Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Let's look at the context of the scriptures.

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2 CORINTHIANS 3:3-18
[3], For as much as YOU ARE MANIFESTLY DECLARED TO BE THE LETTER OF CHRIST MINISTERED BY US, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN FLESHY TABLES OF THE HEART
[4], And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[5], Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[6], WHO ALSO HAS MADE US ABLE MINISTERS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT; NOT OF THE LETTER, BUT OF THE SPIRIT: FOR THE LETTER KILLS, BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE.
[7], BUT IF THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES, WAS GLORIOUS, SO THAT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL COULD NOT STEADFASTLY BEHOLD THE FACE OF MOSES FOR THE GLORY OF HIS COUNTENANCE; WHICH GLORY WAS TO BE DONE AWAY:
[8], HOW SHALL NOT THE MINISTRATION OF THE SPIRIT BE RATHER GLORIOUS?
[9], FOR IF THE MINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION be glory, much more does the MINISTRATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEED IN GLORY.
[10], For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels.
[11], FOR IF THAT WHICH IS DONE AWAY WAS GLORIOUS, MUCH MORE THAT WHICH REMAINS IS GLORIOUS.
[12], Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[13], AND NOT AS MOSES, WHICH PUT A VEIL OVER HIS FACE, THAT THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL COULD NOT STEADFASTLY LOOK TO THE END OF THAT WHICH IS ABOLISHED:
[14], BUT THEIR MINDS WERE BLINDED: FOR UNTIL THIS DAY REMAINS THE SAME VEIL NOT TAKEN AWAY IN THE READING OF THE OLD TESTAMENT; WHICH VEIL IS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST.
[15], But even to this day, when Moses is read, the veil is on their heart.
[16], NEVERTHELESS WHEN IT SHALL TURN TO THE LORD, THE VEIL SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY.
[17], Now THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT: AND WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS, THERE IS LIBERTY.
[18], But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD.

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It is the ministration of condemnation and death by the letter that is done away by the ministration of the Spirit through God's mercy, grace and forgiveness through faith that works by love in fulfillment of Gods' new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) that is done away not God's 10 commandments. All God's 10 commandments do under the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. An interpretation that 2 Corinthians 3 is talking about abolishing Gods' 10 commandments has Paul in contradiction to Paul when he says in Romans 3:31 that faith does not abolish Gods' law it establishes God's law and again in Romans 13:8-10 where Paul says we love our neighbor as our self by being obedient to those laws in God's 10 commandments that show us our duty of love to our fellow man. Indeed the ministration of the Spirit is greater the than the ministration of the letter because while the letter brings death and condemnation while the Spirit brings life and forgiveness through Christ and writes the law on the heart through faith that works by love which is Gods' new covenant promise in all those who have been born again to believe and follow God's Word and walk in newness of life *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9; Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 6:1-23. God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law).

Hope this is helpful Steve.

Doug Brents said:

You reference a lot of examples of ministers going to where people are gathered to talk about God in most of those passages, those are not commands to keep the Sabbath.

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Actually no that is not correct or truthful at all. Let's be honest here. I see you simply avoided answering my question to you. Which was to your original post asking you "If I convince myself I can now commit adultery in the new covenant does that mean if I commit adultery in the new covenant it is no longer sin? Is this not ignoring that the bible defines as sin (see *Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; James 2:10-11 see also Hebrews 10:26-31; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and Romans 14:23) which is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says? You were then posted many scripture reference of God's Sabbath being restated in the new testament scriptures in linked posts (scriptures support here and scripture support here linked). Let's go through some of them as I would like to have an open discussion and show that your claims here are not true but in fact these scriptures below are teaching about the Sabbath in the new testament.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT BEING RESTATED IN THE NEW COVENANT

1. Jesus teaches us how to correctly keep the Sabbath showing that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath *see Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31

2. Jesus teaches us that he is the creator and Lord of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *see Mark 2:27-28

3. Jesus looking into the future expected all his disciples to be still keeping the Sabbath well after His death and resurrection at the destruction of Jerusalem *Matthew 24:20; Matthew 13:18

4. Jesus kept the Sabbath as did all the disciples and Apostles even after the death and resurrection of Jesus *see Luke 4:16; Luke 23:55-56; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10

5. We are told in Hebrews 4 that the Sabbath remains for the people of God to enter into by faith where it is written in Aramaic "therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath" or in the Greek "there remains (left behind) a Sabbath rest for the people of God. *see Hebrews 4:1-11.

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So no dear friend there is plenty of scripture here showing that God's 4th commandment like all the 10 commandments are all re-stated in the new covenant as proven above. Let's talk about your website but and paste in the next posts and look at them in detail.

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Doug Brents said:

1. In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.

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According to the scripture in reference here in Colossians 2:16 this is exactly what it says here..

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FESTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATHS of SABBATH [DAYS] <plural>:

Paul's within scriptures context and use of Colossians 2:16-17 is in reference to the old testament scriptures here....

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURNT OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

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HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9 [1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. [2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. [4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins. [5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME: [6], IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE. [7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offerings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)

According to the scriptures the context of Colossians 2:16-17 is to the meat and the drink offering, and the new moons and the sabbaths in the annual Feast days and not judging others in this regard which are shadows of things to come but but the body is of Christ. Paul is referring to a number of scriptures in the old testament (e.g. Ezekiel 45:17). There were many different kinds of sabbaths (plural) in the old covenant especially connected directly to the annual Feast days, the new moons, the meat and drink offerings that could fall on any day of the week outside of Gods 4th commandment that was simply every "seventh day" of the week as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth.

These annual Feast sabbaths (including holy convocations where no work was allowed) included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36). Colossians 2:16-17 is in reference to the meat and drink offerings the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) that were connected to these Feasts that are shadows of things to come. Not Gods' 10 commandments or Gods 4th commandment that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11). Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath (Hebrews 4:9).

It is impossible Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath to be a shadow of anything as it points backwards to the finished work of creation, not forwards to things to come. When the Sabbath was made for mankind in Genesis 2:1-3 there was no sin, no plan of salvation because there was no sin and no Moses and no Mosaic shadow laws of things to come which was not given until after mankind had sinned according to the scriptures.

Colossians 2:16 is talking about the meat and drink offerings and the new moons and the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days being a shadow of things to come. It is not talking about God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). There is no need to use a different words to sabbaton (sabbath here) as the meaning of sabbaton in the Greek is a day of rest and no work which is the meaning of the days of holy convocation and the special sabbaths in the Feast days of Leviticus 23.

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Albert Barnes Notes on the Bible

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

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We should be careful not to take scripture from biblical context and seek to apply meanings that the scriptures are not talking about and let the scriptures interpret themselves. I think this one is dead and buried from your website quote and you can see it is not saying what your friends are saying it says.

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Doug Brents said:

2. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

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Please check the scripture reference to Hebrews 8 and read the chapter for yourself. There is no scripture anywhere in all of the bible that teaches that Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 is no longer a requirement and the standard of Christian living or sin when broken, just the same as there us no scripture that says we are now free to lie, steal, commit murder, make idols and worship them, use God's name in vain etc etc. It us true indeed that Gods "seventh day" Sabbath of Gods' 10 commandments is an everlasting eternal sign of sanctification given to Gods' people *Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12 however if these promises stopped in the new covenant then it could not be an everlasting sign of sanctification and God's 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath would not be continued to be kept in the new heavens and the new earth as shown in Isaiah 66:22-23 where it is written [22], For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.[23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Of course we are talking about a time after the second coming here and after the new covenant was given. This scripture is supporting that the Sabbath is an everlasting covenant and a sign of sanctification as given by God to His people in Exodus 31:16-17 and Ezekiel 20:12.

Let's show this a little further though by looking at who the scriptures in the new covenant define as being God's true Israel. According to the new covenant scriptures Gods' true

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

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JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The new covenant is for god's israel which represent those who believe and follow god’s word.
If you are not part of God's Israel then you are not a part of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION: According to the scriptures in the new covenant God's Israel (the Church) are all those who believe and follow God's Word * Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in the new covenant *HEBREWS 10:26-27. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. So the Sabbath being a sign forever to God's people and continues to be so forever just as it is written. (need more scripture?)

In the new covenant God's true Israel is no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham who have faith in Christ *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29 and Romans 2:28-29 but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit *John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:6-9 into God's new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Unbelieving Israel in the flesh of the seed of Abraham according to the scriptures have been cut out of Gods true Israel for rejecting Christ as the promised Messiah under the new covenant (see Romans 11:15-21). According to the scripture all believers are now one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-13; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13 and are a part of God's true Israel according to the new covenant scriptures. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27. Therefore if we are not a part of God's true Israel grafted in by faith in the new covenant, we have no part in God's new covenant promise which was only ever given to God's Israel who are now all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. God never made a covenant with gentiles according to the scriptures (see Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Gods' true Israel therefore under the new covenant promise are now all those who through faith through faith in Christ who have been born again and set free to walk in Gods Spirit to believe and follow what Gods' Word says (see Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 5:16 and 1 John 3:6-10).

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Doug Brents said:

3. The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.

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Why would the new testament command God's people to keep the Sabbath when Gods' commandments were already given 4000 years ago in Exodus 20:1-17 and God's people including Jesus and the Apostles were already keeping the Sabbath *see Luke 4:16; Luke 23:55-56; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10. Jesus looking into the future expected all his disciples to be still keeping the Sabbath well after His death and resurrection at the destruction of Jerusalem *Matthew 24:20; Matthew 13:18. We are told in Hebrews 4 that the Sabbath remains for the people of God to enter into by faith where it is written in Aramaic "therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath" or in the Greek "there remains (left behind) a Sabbath rest for the people of God. *see Hebrews 4:1-11. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated all through the new testament as the standard for Christian living (scriptures support here and scripture support here linked). However Gods' 10 commandments were already known by God's people and were being kept and practiced for 4000 years already.

Doug Brents said:

4. In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7)

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As shown earlier when all the scriptures are looked at we see that the early Church met every day of the week. We read in Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 [46], And THEY, CONTINUED DAILY WITH ONE ACCORD IN THE TEMPLE AND BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE DID EAT THEIR MEAT WITH GLADNESS and singleness of heart, [47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. The first day of the week was simply one of those days. At the same time we read that all the Apostles and disciples continued keeping God's 4th commandment according to the 10 commandments after the death and resurrection of Jesus as shown in the scriptures in *Luke 4:16; Luke 23:55-56; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10.

Doug Brents said:

5. Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.

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There is no truth in this claim. The mixed multitude that came out of Egypt with Israel were gentiles (Exodus 12:37-38). According to God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments we read in...
Exodus 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, NOR YOUR STRANGER THAT IS WITHIN YOUR GATES: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]

"The stranger that is within thy gates" in the Hebrew is H1616; גֵּר (gêr | gare) and mean "foreigner that is living out of his own country" or gentile who is not an Israelite of born of the nation of Israel.

Doug Brents said:

6. There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.

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This is not true either. According to the very words of Jesus it is written that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for all mankind in Genesis 2:1-3 on the "seventh day" of the creation week where God blessed the "seventh day" and made the "seventh day" a holy day of rest for mankind. When God made the Sabbath for mankind there was only Adam and Eve who were created on the sixth day of the creation week *Genesis 1:26-31. Adam and Eve therefore were the first of all mankind to keep the Sabbath with their creator. There was no Moses, no Israel, no Law because mankind had never sinned when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. Then we read in the scriptures in Genesis 26:5 Genesis 26:5 [5], Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my CHARGE, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS. The Hebrew word of laws here is torah.

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Doug Brents said:

7. When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.

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This is because Acts of the Apostles 15 was never over the question is Gods' 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living it was over the question is "circumcision" from the law of Moses a requirement for salvation and it was this question that Acts of the Apostles 15 was seeking to answer not are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living that according to the new covenant scriptures give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. As we read in the context of Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 [1], And certain men who came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED.

NOTE: ACTS 15:1 is the question that needs to be answered and the topic of conversation and CONTEXT of the chapter of ACTS 15. Here we have Jewish believers coming to Paul and Barnabas saying if the new GENTILES believers are not circumcised and made proselytes then they cannot be saved. This is the chapter context and issue of contention.

[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEM SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM UNTO THE APOSLTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

NOTE: ACTS 15:2 Which question? Weather your salvation depends on being CIRCUMCISED. The question here was never over is God's 10 commandments a requirement for Christian living. They then traveled to Jerusalem about this question to determine if new gentile believers needed to be circumcised in order to be saved. Once they got to Jerusalem, the question was then asked and the discussion continued with the Pharisees stating their case first in Acts of the Apostles 15:5..

An interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul in contradiction with Paul when he says sometime latter after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthians believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Acts 15 was never over the question are God's 10 commandments still the standard for Christian living. It was over the question is circumcision a requirement for salvation for gentile believers (Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2).

Doug Brents said:

8. The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.

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Wrong again. Paul the Apostle defines sin as breaking Gods' 10 commandments in Romans 7:7 where he says [7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID, THOU SHALT NOT COVET and again in Romans 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT SIN IS. This is in agreement with John where he says in 1 John 3:4 [4], WHOEVER COMMITS SIN TRANSGRESSES ALSO THE LAW: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW which also agrees with what James says when he say if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. Of course this includes God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. “Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures…And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts 17:2;18:4 see also 13:14,27,42,44). “let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give to him who has need” (Ephesians 4:28) and “For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: ‘If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat‘” (II Thessalonians 3:10); (recall that the requirement to work is also part of the Sabbath command, thus even that portion of the commandment is repeated in the New Testament.) “And to whom did He swear they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?” (Hebrews 3:18). “For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: ‘And God rested on the seventh day from all His works’” (Hebrews 4:4). “There remains a keeping of the Sabbath (literally sabbatismos, ‘Sabbath keeping’) for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His” (Hebrews 4:9-10).

Doug Brents said:

9. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).

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There is nothing and no mention of the Sabbath in Galatians 4:10-11. Can you show me where it is talking about the Sabbath in Galatians 4:11 dear friend? Galatians 4:4-11 is talking about Gentile believers returning to a life of sin.....

GALATIANS 4:4-11 [4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], BUT THEN, WHEN YOU KNEW NOT GOD, YOU DID SERVICE UNTO THEM WHICH BY NATURE ARE NO GODS. [9], BUT NOW, AFTER YOU HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YOU AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, TO WHICH YOU DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? [10], YOU OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11], I AM AFRAID FOR YOU, LEST I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU LABOR IN VAIN.

GALATIANS 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, where unto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Note: Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times.

DEUTERONOMY 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Note: The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHRONICLES 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Note: Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEVITICUS 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

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Doug Brents said:

10. In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).

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More lies here from where ever this source came from. If you do not believe me please read Romans 14 for yourself. There is no mention of the Sabbath anywhere in Romans 14.

ROMANS 14:1-22
[1], Him that is weak in the faith receive you, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2], For ONE BELIEVES THAT HE MAY EAT ALL THINGS: ANOTHER, WHO IS WEAK, EATS HERBS.
[3], LET NOT HIM THAT EATS DESPISE HIM THAT EATS NOT; AND LET NOT HIM WHICH EATS NOT JUDGE HIM THAT EATS: FOR GOD HAS RECEIVED HIM.
[4], WHO ARE YOU THAT JUDGE ANOTHER MAN'S SERVANT? TO HIS OWN MASTER HE STANDS OR FALLS. YES, HE SHALL BE HELD UP: FOR GOD IS ABLE TO MAKE HIM STAND.
[5], ONE MAN ESTEEMS ONE DAY ABOVE ANOTHER: ANOTHER ESTEEMS EVERY DAY ALIKE. LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND.
[6], HE THAT REGARDS THE DAY, REGARDS IT TO THE LORD; AND HE THAT REGARDS NOT THE DAY, TO THE LORD HE DOES NOT REGARD IT. HE THAT EATS, EATS TO THE LORD, FOR HE GIVES GOD THANKS; AND HE THAT EATS NOT, TO THE LORD HE EATS NOT, AND GIVES GOD THANKS.
[7], For none of us lives to himself, and no man dies to himself.
[8], For whether we live, we live to the Lord; and whether we die, we die to the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9], For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10], BUT WHY DO YOU JUDGE YOUR BROTHER? OR WHY DO YOU SET AT NOTHING YOUR BROTHER? FOR WE SHALL ALL STAND BEFORE THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST.
[11], For it is written, As I live, said the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12], So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[13], LET US NOT THEREFORE JUDGE ONE ANOTHER ANY MORE: BUT JUDGE THIS RATHER, THAT NO MAN PUT A STUMBLING BLOCK OR AN OCCASION TO FALL IN HIS BROTHER'S WAY.
[14], I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteems any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15], But if your brother be grieved with your meat, now walk you not charitably. Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died.
[16], Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17], For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[19], Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things with which one may edify another.
[20], For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eats with offense.
[21], It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22], Have you faith? have it to yourself before God. Happy is he that comdemns not himself in that thing which he allows.
[23], And he that doubts is damned if he eat, because he eats not of faith: for whatever is not of faith is sin.

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ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, and judging others in this regard it is not talking about what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes. LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for THAT WHICH IS HIGHLY ESTEEMED AMONG MEN IS ABOMINATION IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. As shown above there is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

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SOME POINTS TO CONSIDER IN ROMANS 14:1-23

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.
[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on
[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans
[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin: Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14
[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14
[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day
[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

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CONCLUSION: Nothing about God's 4th commandment in there at all. The scriptures are talking about food connected to days (eating and not eating (fasting) on days men esteem over other days. Not what days God esteems and judging others. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.
LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God
There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments. Your reading into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

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Doug Brents said:

11. The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).

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These "so called" early Church fathers are not scripture they are a source outside of the scripture that disagree with what the scriptures teach promoting man-made teachings and traditions that are not biblical or supported in the scriptures therefore false teachers if they are teaching the opposite of what the scriptures teach. Please note there is not one scripture an all the bible that says anywhere that Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God. Jesus in His own words in Matthew 15:2-9 says that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. It can be shown from the bible and the bible alone that God's people all through time to Jesus and the Apostles and after the death and resurrection of Jesus that Gods' people through the scriptures alone have all kept Gods' 4th commandment according to Gods' Word *see Luke 4:16; Luke 23:55-56; Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10. We can even trace Gods' people continuing to keep the Sabbath from the biblical records to the historical records all through time from the 1st Century AD to the 20th Century AD to our present day. If you want the Historical references just let me know?

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12. Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).

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One of my favorites. Can you show me a single scripture in all of God's Word that shows that Revelation 1:10 which is the reference to "the Lords day" means Sunday or the first day of the week? There is none. This again is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported in the scriptures. This is a question that can only be answered in the scriptures. So what day is "the Lords day" according to the scriptures? The answer is found here; Matthew 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. The Lords day according to the scriptures therefore is the Sabbath day, not Sunday or the first day of the week according to the scriptures. So who should we believe and follow; the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the Word of God? (see Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29).

Hope this was helpful.