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super animator said:

lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF

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Well first thing, wikipedia can hardly make claims to being the bastion of all truth and knowledge, but second thing is that what is it in the link you posted the disagrees with what I said. Right at the very beginning it says, "First recorded in 2008, the term originally applied to the minority of feminists..."

(Emphasis mine)

Well who applied the slur to them? It wasn't the feminists. Even the questionable wiki agrees on that. Could it be the trans-radicals who have applied the slur to them? Who else would concoct a slur against women and others who disagree with them in their view that biological sex doesn't exist?

Also a bit later,

"Those referred to with the word TERF typically reject the term or consider it a slur"

Again, no feminists at all are SELF-applying the slur as you claimed. That would be ridiculous. Who concocts a slur against themselves?

So I'm not sure what it is about what I posted that your wikipedia link is supposed to suggest along with the lol that ends up making you appear a bit foolish in your response since even your own link is showing your original statements to be false.

JIMINZ said:

Do you possess the credentials by which you are able to critique their findings as valid, or are you using those findings as nothing more than the ones you agree with, which means it's comes down to your opinion once again.

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I'm using the findings of the medical communities. Go try to play "turtles all the way down" with someone else.

Freth said:

Who was the first expert and where did that expert get his/her credentials?

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Sigmund Freud last I heard.

Freth said:

Expertise comes with experience and time spent working in your chosen field. Education is just a jumping off point to much greater learning through doing. None of which preclude intelligent people from coming to informed, reasonable conclusions on any subject.

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If intelligent people come to informed, reasonable conclusions that are at odds with the experts in the field it calls their conclusions into question.

hislegacy said:

Sex is determined at birth based on Chromosomes, gonads and anatomy.

Gender is based on social structure -

Gender is a multi-faceted social system. Gender is largely based on society and culture. There are some consistencies, but it can be concluded that gender is not predetermined based on sex.​

Gender therefore is fluid and based on social systems, not science.

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Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression

Gender, on the other hand, involves how a person identifies. Unlike natal sex, gender is not made up of binary forms. Instead, gender is a broad spectrum. A person may identify at any point within this spectrum or outside of it entirely.

People may identify with genders that are different from their natal sex or with none at all. These identities may include transgender, nonbinary, or gender-neutral. There are many other ways in which a person may define their own gender.

Gender also exists as social constructs — as gender “roles” or “norms.” These are defined as the socially constructed roles, behaviors, and attributes that a society considers appropriate for men and women.

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gender is based on many things including biology.

JIMINZ said:

????????????

I would prefer Mister Even Sir Jiminz rather than Mam.

For you see, I am neither Dysphoric or Delusional.

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I shouldn’t have to cow tow to what you self identify as. I mean, that’s your position…

Belk said:

I'm using the findings of the medical communities. Go try to play "turtles all the way down" with someone else.

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You have chose to post the findings of those who best voice your opinions, because you have not personally done any research yourself, that comes down to it being your opinion.

You have a preconceived opinion on the subject at hand and have found the articles which best voice said preconceive opinion.

You see, I have my opinions about this subject, only I don't hide the fact behind someone else's research as though it were my own.

It's like you want to be a Researcher, (Female) so you use someone else.s research and you transition into a Researcher your self.

ToddNotTodd said:

I shouldn’t have to cow tow to what you self identify as. I mean, that’s your position…

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I have no idea as to what you talking about.

OK Children, play nicely, I have to go but I will catch up with you later.

Belk said:

Quote them please.

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Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and transmen: implications for sporting organisations and legislators

Tell her that

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So this is your perception of what a woman is? That's what qualifies a person to be a woman? I'm not sure whether to be insulted on behalf of women everywhere or to just laugh at how you're just reduced "woman" to nothing but an outwardly physical stereotype based on current female beauty standards. It's like you just posted the cover of Playboy or Cosmopolitan and pointed out to us all that the cover model is what defines women. A woman is defined entirely by her skill at cosmetics and plastic surgeries.

It is not a mental illness.
https://hcavirginia.com/blog/entry/gender-identity-is-it-a-mental-disorder-

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And yet gender dysphoria is a diagnosis listed in the DSM-5 which is the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It's a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association to diagnose mental conditions.

That is not empathy. Perhaps you should learn what the word means?

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After what you just posted concerning what a woman is, you might want to look in the mirror yourself.

JIMINZ said:

I have no idea as to what you talking about.

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You don’t remember writing this:

“So then, just because a person is able to self identify, it does not mean they should force that self identification on the public, and force society to respond to the the way they self identify, that is why it is called self identifying, it only concerns them, as it should, the general public should not have to cow tow to their self identifying personal pronouns.”

bekkilyn said:

Well who applied the slur to them?

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Viv Smythe in 2008 a radical feminist, mind you. Which if you read the sources you should know the answer to your question already.

Freth said:

What does the Bible say?

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.​

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Hypothetical: Mental illness or sin, or both? What about delusion?

• Is mental illness to identify as a member of the opposite sex?
  • Is it also mental illness to participate the lie and defend the claims of the mentally ill?
• Is it sin to identify as a member of the opposite sex and take on the attributes described as abominations in scripture?
  • Is it a sin to participate in the lie that is the sin and defend the claims of the sinful?
    • Is there a mass delusion that God has sent because of sin?

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People have used some of these scripture for stupid things, like trying to "prove" that women shouldn't be wearing pants or men shouldn't wear their hair long, but I've always believe it was too simplistic, and it was. And kind of stupid too IMO. After all, a woman wearing pants doesn't make her any less of a woman, and a man with longer hair doesn't make him any less of a man. I saw a video the other day of a biological male attempting to breast feed a baby, convinced that it was only a matter of time before milk would come out because he was (in his view) a woman now and hence capable of such things. I think it's these sorts of delusions that scripture was warning about, but who really saw all of THIS coming in THIS way?

super animator said:

Viv Smythe in 2008 a radical feminist, mind you. Which if you read the sources you should know the answer to your question already.

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And so she's calling herself a TERF? No, she is not. And considering that she considers herself to be an ally to the trans-radicals, she is still applying it to others. They are not applying the slur to themselves. You had claimed that TERF was something that feminists use to describe themselves and it's simply not true and especially now when it's become a term representative of violence, threats, and hatred of women.

bekkilyn said:

And so she's calling herself a TERF? No, she is not.

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It is like you don't bother even read what I post and just create straw-mans just to knock them down.

Since we're posting wikipedia articles now, why don't we go on over to feministwiki and see what that one says about "TERF" for a more in-depth view as to whether or not women apply to slurs to themselves.

https://feministwiki.org/wiki/TERF

"The oldest known use of the term is by Viv Smythe aka "tigtog" in a blog post from 2008. She defended the term as late as 2018, in an article for The Guardian. Transgender activists frequently try to defend the term on the grounds that Viv Smythe is a woman who herself claims to be a radical feminist, and seems to have first used the term in a way that is not derogatory. Of course, the benign origins of a term does not mean that it cannot evolve into a slur."

"In June 2017, transgender activist Mya Byrne came to the San Francisco Pride Parade with a t-shirt reading "I PUNCH TERFS", decorated with a large fake blood-stain."

"In April 2019, professional video gamer Dominique McLean aka "SonicFox" uploaded a video on Twitter, captioned "what I do to terfs," in which a male video game character strikes a female character's neck so hard that her skin comes off, while the camera shows her agony-filled face."

"McLean's tweet is made even worse by the fact that the hatred is not just directed at an imagined "terf" character, but at the voice actress behind the character, Ronda Rousey. Rousey, who is an MMA (mixed martial arts) fighter, is deemed a "TERF" for having stated, with blunt wording, that it's unfair for male MMA fighter Fallon Fox to compete against women. A year after Rousey's remarks, female MMA fighter Tamikka Brents had suffered a concussion and an orbital bone fracture during a fight with Fallon Fox, but this does not seem to have changed the opinion of trans activists."

"in late 2019, a social media trend dubbed "POV you're a TERF in my mentions" started, in which trans activists would pose with a weapon (baseball bat, sword, machete, or the like), sometimes preparing to strike or showing them mid-strike, taken as a point-of-view (POV) shot and captioned with the phrase "POV you're a TERF in my mentions" or variations thereof. The pictures are supposed to represent the point-of-view (POV) of a "TERF" being assaulted by the depicted person. In other words, women called "TERF" who look at the pictures are supposed to imagine themselves being violently assaulted."

"In May 2020, a blog post was published on Medium.com equating so-called TERFs with Nazis in a credible-sounding tone and explaining how various methods such as infiltration, censorship, property damage, and physical violence should be used against them."

And yet we have a claim right here in this thread that TERF is a term that women apply to themselves. I'm just not finding that claim very credible.

super animator said:

It is like you don't bother even read what I post and just create straw-mans just to knock them down.

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It's like I read what you post and find what you wrote to lack credibility.

Belk said:

Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression
gender is based on many things including biology.

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Not according to your link:

None of that is science my friend. It is social and personal choices, which has zero to do with science.

The science of biology recognizes male, female and hermaphrodite. That is established science and cannot be changed according to a person's personal view or how the person or society identifies.

POV - if you want to call yourself xxx - then go right ahead, whatever makes you happy. But don't attempt to force me into your belief system, or modify what I can and cannot say.

Aldebaran said:

I think we're only seeing a preview of things to come. The woke crowd is still astonishing us each and every day with what they can come up with.

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It's seems crazy but I agree. Practically my entire life I've leaned towards progressive politics and have even argued in favor of some here on CF, probably even with you, but it's baffling to me how the idea of biological male and female is even an argument to either side, but here we are. While I'll likely never go over to actually being conservative, I am definitely awakened from the "wokeness" and once you unsee it (or see it for what it is), you can't go back.