Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?

Subduction Zone said:

You need to look into the history of the small pox vaccination. At times military force was employed. I am old enough to have a small scar on an upper arm. Though the last time I looked I could no longer see it. Kids today do not have that scar. Do you know why? Because we eradicated small pox from the world.

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This is a serious mic drop here. I bet everyone with this scar got the jab, with the exception for those who couldn't medically get it. I'd be surprised if they didn't.

loveofourlord said:

The plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.

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People put too much trust in studies. It's very easy to manipulate data.

Sunshinee777 said:

What you said is not biblical.

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How is it not Biblical? It's directly from the Bible. If you've ever read the Bible you should know that.

Sunshinee777 said:

I don’t follow any satanic corrupted government, I follow Jesus.

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I don't follow satanic traditions and opinions of men So now that we both have established we don't follow satanic things, I'm don't know why you even brought it up or what that has to do with anything I have said.

Sunshinee777 said:

If then God decides to send me in hell, well, He knows better so let it be so.

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It's sad that you don't have a knowledge of God's Will for you; it's in the Bible, if you read the Bible you'd find it.

Sunshinee777 said:

Atleast I can know, I did follow Jesus and not satanic government and I can be at peace with my decision.

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Well who is telling you to "follow satanic government"??? This is your own made-up construct. I haven't said it nor has the Bible said it.

Sunshinee777 said:

It’s same with church, I don’t go corrupted churches.
Where ever two or three people are gathered, God is in the mids of them. No need for church- building to worship God.

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So you only worship God in the outdoors because you believe being in a building is wrong? And those who worship in a building are wrong? Wow, the Early Church didn't get the memo - they worshiped in people's homes (which are buildings). Was the Early Church too "corrupt" for your liking?

Sunshinee777 said:

Im ok with the fact that other christians judge those who won’t take mrna jab,

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I'm fully aware that other christians judge those of us who will take the Covid vaccine

Sunshinee777 said:

im completely ready for fullblown persecution,

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Do you know what "fullblown persecution" is? Have you ever experienced it? I'd love to hear what "fullblown persecution" you have ever experienced in your life in Finland.

Sunshinee777 said:

because I know that those people are favored by God. Just bring it on. Namecalling is nothing what I see here, there will be real persecution coming very soon.

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Bring what on? "Fullblown persecution"? You're asking me to bring on "fullblown persecution"? That's weird.

I get the feeling that you feel namecalling isn't "nothing' but is the "fullblown persecution" you've been talking about when you claimed the "other christians judge those who won't take the mrna vaccine". Political disagreement is what you seem to be referring to as "fullblown persecution". If I'm wrong, then feel free to explain what you were referring to - but I am certain you can't. "Fullblown persecution" - LOL, you have no idea what that even is.

renniks said:

The " science" is debatable and changes frequently, and depends on which expert you decide to believe.
When there's thosands of reports of adverse effects you have to wonder what is really going on.

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And that's why you shouldn't wear a life vest while out on the water. There have been thousands of people who have drowned while wearing a life vest, therefore life vests are at best unnecessary and at worst dangerous.

As long as we totally ignore the hundreds of millions of people who have been saved by wearing a life vest of course.

-CryptoLutheran

renniks said:

People put too much trust in studies. It's very easy to manipulate data.

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So we should trust anecdotal accounts and gut feelings instead?

Well my gut tells me that if I jump out of this airplane without a parachute I'll be fine, because you can't trust all those studies about gravity and what happens when a human body hits the ground at terminal velocity. I'll be fine. In fact, parachutes probably will change my DNA and turn me into a mermaid or something.

Stop trying to force parachutes on people who jump out of planes.

-ryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

So we should trust anecdotal accounts and gut feelings instead?

Well my gut tells me that if I jump out of this airplane without a parachute I'll be fine, because you can't trust all those studies about gravity and what happens when a human body hits the ground at terminal velocity. I'll be fine. In fact, parachutes probably will change my DNA and turn me into a mermaid or something.

Stop trying to force parachutes on people who jump out of planes.

-ryptoLutheran

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Oh that's whacky nonsense! They don't turn you into a mermaid. They'll turn you into Drifloon from Pokémon and that's totally different.

ViaCrucis said:

So we should trust anecdotal accounts and gut feelings instead?

Well my gut tells me that if I jump out of this airplane without a parachute I'll be fine, because you can't trust all those studies about gravity and what happens when a human body hits the ground at terminal velocity. I'll be fine. In fact, parachutes probably will change my DNA and turn me into a mermaid or something.

Stop trying to force parachutes on people who jump out of planes.

-ryptoLutheran

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Yes we should trust our gut and what people with nothing to lose say. The parachute analogy only makes sense if you have used one successfully. I would rather ask why should I jump out of a perfectly good airplane?

Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?
Because vaccines work,
Because children are better off being vaccinated than not
Because children who are vaccinated are much less likely to spread the disease to others
Because children who are vaccinated are much less likely to get ill
Because children who are vaccinated are much less likely to go to hospital
Because children who are vaccinated are much less likely to die.

Is this enough reasons?

renniks said:

People put too much trust in studies. It's very easy to manipulate data.

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If true, that makes it even more curious that anti-vaxx propaganda isn't backed by studies. I mean, if they were so easy to manipulate you'd think some enterprising propagandists would at least try.

KCfromNC said:

If true, that makes it even more curious that anti-vaxx propaganda isn't backed by studies. I mean, if they were so easy to manipulate you'd think some enterprising propagandists would at least try.

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Do you mean we should not believe the anti-vaxxers because they aren't willing to create bogus studies? That seems backward.

renniks said:

Do you mean we should not believe the anti-vaxxers because they aren't willing to create bogus studies? That seems backward.

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No, never said that. Just weird that if it were so easy to create studies reaching an arbitrary conclusion that none of them seem to ever support anti-vaxx propaganda. Either those pushing anti-vaxx fantasies aren't really trying very hard, or maybe it is a bit more complicated to actually produce real research than previously claimed.

Pfizer vaccine very effective against Delta variant in adolescents in Israel - study



"The study found the estimated vaccine effectiveness against documented COVID-19 infection in adolescents was 90%, and 93% against symptomatic COVID-19, on days seven to 21 after the second dose."


"Earlier this week, an analysis released by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed the Pfizer Inc /BioNTech vaccine was 93% effective in preventing hospitalisations among those aged 12 to 18."

stevil said:

Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?
Because vaccines work,
Because children are better off being vaccinated than not

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You know this..how? Or is just fun to say?

power1 said:

You know this..how? Or is just fun to say?

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You can know it too if you heed God's Word:
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

ArmenianJohn said:

You can know it too if you heed God's Word:
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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Let me get this straight. If we look to Scripture we will see that an experimental treatment that was not time tested and that was based on research (at least) from murdered babies is wonderful?

power1 said:

Let me get this straight. If we look to Scripture we will see that an experimental treatment that was not time tested and that was based on research (at least) from murdered babies is wonderful?

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As a Christian, I believe that if we look to Scripture we can find the answers to just about anything, especially this topic.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

You don't believe Scripture can help with this? What part of 2 Timothy 2:15 or Proverbs 3:5-6 do you disagree with?

ArmenianJohn said:

You can know it too if you heed God's Word:
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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Exactly. Rightly dividing. Not assuming unknown facts.

power1 said:

Let me get this straight. If we look to Scripture we will see that an experimental treatment that was not time tested and that was based on research (at least) from murdered babies is wonderful?

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The vaccine isn't a treatment for a disease, it is a prevention. Like the difference between a seat belt vs a plaster.

The Covid vaccine isn't experimental, it has been FDA approved.

If you want to wait years to see what the results of the Vaccine are, how many people in the mean time are going to die of Covid? The death rate is 1-3% depending on where you live.
There are 7.7 billion people in the world. 1-3% of that is 77 million to 231 million, should we wait for all these people to die first before we take up this vaccine?
What are the long term effects on people who get infected with Covid? How does that stack up with the long term effects of people that get the vaccine?

ArmenianJohn said:

As a Christian, I believe that if we look to Scripture we can find the answers to just about anything, especially this topic.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

You don't believe Scripture can help with this? What part of 2 Timothy 2:15 or Proverbs 3:5-6 do you disagree with?

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I see. So nothing specific, just general advice to look to His word. I agree.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Exactly. Rightly dividing. Not assuming unknown facts.

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Right we should stick to what we know, such as that abortion was a part of this treatment, in that it provided a basis.