China’s Empty Cities

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How do these two things even connect? One is a social policy and the other is an economic policy. Both are bad, but I don't see how they are connected.
 
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China is a known persecutor of Christians. They arrested preachers who do not preach CCP approved messages. They blew up a megachurch. They arrested house church members.

After years of building empty cities and hoarding real estate, they have a problem with too many vacancies:
China has at least 65 million empty homes — enough to house the population of France. It offers a glimpse into the country's massive housing-market problem.
So how do those things relate?
 
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China is a known persecutor of Christians. They arrested preachers who do not preach CCP approved messages. They blew up a megachurch. They arrested house church members.

After years of building empty cities and hoarding real estate, they have a problem with too many vacancies:
China has at least 65 million empty homes — enough to house the population of France. It offers a glimpse into the country's massive housing-market problem.
Those who arrest Christians for differences of opinion may face the results of other mistakes.

North Korea has some of the most anti-Christian policies and suffers poverty. They can not afford electricity. Their cities are dark at night. It is visible in satellite photos taken from space.

In China they know if an apartment tower is mainly empty as there are no lights on at night. Some of empty cities filled with people, some did not. I am not sure of the exact vacancy numbers.

It is also known that some of the wicked prosper, but these too die. Jesus leads to eternal life.
 
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Nope. Doesnt change what i said.
Even though Christianity has been in China for 1,400 years? Centuries before Mao? It’s half as old as the Chinese Empire? Ok. Christ, have mercy on you, on Hong Kong, and on Mainland China.

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Even though Christianity has been in China for 1,400 years? Centuries before Mao? It’s half as old as the Chinese Empire? Ok. Christ, have mercy on you, on Hong Kong, and on Mainland China.

主耶穌基督,上帝之子,憐憫我罪人

As if that makes any difference to what i said.
 
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Those who arrest Christians for differences of opinion may face the results of other mistakes.

North Korea has some of the most anti-Christian policies and suffers poverty. They can not afford electricity. Their cities are dark at night. It is visible in satellite photos taken from space.

In China they know if an apartment tower is mainly empty as there are no lights on at night. Some of empty cities filled with people, some did not. I am not sure of the exact vacancy numbers.

It is also known that some of the wicked prosper, but these too die. Jesus leads to eternal life.

So, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, sometimes Christians prosper, sometimes they don't, sometimes countries have economic downturns, sometimes they prosper... doesn't seem like any of this really shows any kind of cause and effect. I think you're relying too heavily on your Christian tinted glasses to look at the world. Not everything that happens has to do with Christians or how they perceive themselves to be treated in the world. You guys and your worldview are not the be all and end all of existence. Sorry.
 
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So, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, sometimes Christians prosper, sometimes they don't, sometimes countries have economic downturns, sometimes they prosper... doesn't seem like any of this really shows any kind of cause and effect. I think you're relying too heavily on your Christian tinted glasses to look at the world. Not everything that happens has to do with Christians or how they perceive themselves to be treated in the world. You guys and your worldview are not the be all and end all of existence. Sorry.


Sure is not connected to unoccupied housing (or the price of tea)
in China.
 
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Those who arrest Christians for differences of opinion may face the results of other mistakes.

North Korea has some of the most anti-Christian policies and suffers poverty. They can not afford electricity. Their cities are dark at night. It is visible in satellite photos taken from space.

In China they know if an apartment tower is mainly empty as there are no lights on at night. Some of empty cities filled with people, some did not. I am not sure of the exact vacancy numbers.

It is also known that some of the wicked prosper, but these too die. Jesus leads to eternal life.


Wait, wait, let me get this straight.

Because the Chinese oppressed Christians, they built too many homes?

Seems like an odd cause and effect to me. But it's an odd world that we live in.
 
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China is a known persecutor of Christians. They arrested preachers who do not preach CCP approved messages. They blew up a megachurch. They arrested house church members.

After years of building empty cities and hoarding real estate, they have a problem with too many vacancies:
China has at least 65 million empty homes — enough to house the population of France. It offers a glimpse into the country's massive housing-market problem.
sounds like a buyers market
 
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Wait, wait, let me get this straight.

Because the Chinese oppressed Christians, they built too many homes?

Seems like an odd cause and effect to me. But it's an odd world that we live in.
maybe it was 65 million house churches they have closed down (and so now are vacant). if that's true it sounds like a good thing, not the closures but I suspect there are 3 times as many not shut down.
 
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As for the attitude in China toward Christianity,
those who complain about it are not likely to have
bothered to learn of what lies behind it.
Actually, in other nations, like in the U.S., it would only be people that object to that persecution of Christians that would even be likely at all to find out more about it and why it's happening. So, it's those that object that will do the work to learn more.

Here's an example of what I'd see when searching up more about this from a quality source:

"In 1867 an English missionary, James Hudson Taylor, wrote a letter home defending his policy of encouraging fellow preachers in China to wear Chinese robes and the Manchu-style pigtail. By dressing in Western garb, he argued, they risked giving the impression that becoming a Christian meant becoming a foreigner. Taylor’s concern was justified. Such was the scorn for those who embraced the faith that, long before the Communist Party seized power in 1949, people used to say, “One more Christian, one fewer Chinese.” Officials in China still mutter this phrase today.

In the 1950s the party began cutting Chinese Christianity’s links with foreign churches and requiring believers to worship only in government-authorised venues. Eventually all religious activity was banned and brutally crushed. A few years after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976, restrictions were partially relaxed. This led to an explosion of Christian worship, much of it in small “house churches” with no official links. ....

China wants to make its Christians more Chinese

So, the reason God might feel like a threat to the controlling Party is that the Party doesn't control God, and it may turn out that a citizen that believes in God will not worship the Party.

They might see the party as being compose of people that are only human, and not perfect, and not put their faith in the party for the main guidance in their lives.

While this would actually help China, and even create a more thriving society, it could feel like a threat to a Party that is doing something wrongful and wants to control all thought.
 
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Actually, in other nations, like in the U.S., it would only be people that object to that persecution of Christians that would even be likely at all to find out more about it and why it's happening. So, it's those that object that will do the work to learn more.

Here's an example of what I'd see when searching up more about this from a quality source:

"In 1867 an English missionary, James Hudson Taylor, wrote a letter home defending his policy of encouraging fellow preachers in China to wear Chinese robes and the Manchu-style pigtail. By dressing in Western garb, he argued, they risked giving the impression that becoming a Christian meant becoming a foreigner. Taylor’s concern was justified. Such was the scorn for those who embraced the faith that, long before the Communist Party seized power in 1949, people used to say, “One more Christian, one fewer Chinese.” Officials in China still mutter this phrase today.

In the 1950s the party began cutting Chinese Christianity’s links with foreign churches and requiring believers to worship only in government-authorised venues. Eventually all religious activity was banned and brutally crushed. A few years after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976, restrictions were partially relaxed. This led to an explosion of Christian worship, much of it in small “house churches” with no official links. ....

China wants to make its Christians more Chinese

So, the reason God might feel like a threat to the controlling Party is that the Party doesn't control God, and it may turn out that a citizen that believes in God will not worship the Party.

They might see the party as being compose of people that are only human, and not perfect, and not put their faith in the party for the main guidance in their lives.

While this would actually help China, and even create a more thriving society, it could feel like a threat to a Party that is doing something wrongful and wants to control all thought.

Your facile biased analysis.
And nobody worships the ccp.


Nothing about the 30,000,000 people killed because
of this foreign religion in the Taiping civil war.
 
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Your facile biased analysis.
And nobody worships the ccp.


Nothing about the 30,000,000 people killed because
of this foreign religion in the Taiping civil war.
Wow, is that what they teach you, that the nationalists were merely motivated by a foreign religion?

What an insidious lie that would be. Is that really what they teach you, something of that kind?
 
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Your facile biased analysis.
And nobody worships the ccp.


Nothing about the 30,000,000 people killed because
of this foreign religion in the Taiping civil war.

Estrid, can I ask something? Where do the vast majority of citizens in Hong Kong get their information / news about the world around them? Is it from news, radio, TV, articles, or something else?
 
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Estrid, can I ask something? Where do the vast majority of citizens in Hong Kong get their information / news about the world around them? Is it from news, radio, TV, articles, or something else?

I wpuldnt know.
A good news source local to HK is the SCMP,
available online in English and Chinese.
Is that some way related to the topic?
 
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