Joe Biden's Death Sentence on Afghan Women and Girls

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Hi @JustSomeBloke

I tend to lean in agreement with @Nithavela. We can't be the police or the government of the whole world. Many nations do many atrocious things based on our worldview of things. While the young woman's death surely seems like a terrible way to have 'solved' some problem that the Taliban government of Afghanistan had with her, they have very strict and very severe laws in many of the middle eastern nations. It is their culture.

Now, the allied forces spent over 10 years trying to build up and train and equip the previous government to operate in more 'democratic' methods, but unfortunately, such methods of governance aren't generally accepted in some middle eastern nations. I don't think that anyone wanted to accept Afghanistan as the 51st state of the United States. So at some point, seeing how much was invested in trying to 'correct' the Afghani government, this seems to have been bound to happen without the allied forces taking up permanent residency in Afghanistan.

There is a court of law that can address this matter. The U.N. has the power to sanction governments and condemn them for such atrocious behavior and I contend that this problem continuing would be more under their responsibility than Pres. Biden. Further, it was the 'former guy' who started this machination of removal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan. Now, he's likely to spin it now that he wouldn't have withdrawn 'in the manner that Pres. Biden did'. I honestly wouldn't put much stock in that. Had he been re-elected, according to his own plan, U.S. forces would have been withdrawn several months earlier. He had his people sit down and work out all the arrangements and the Taliban were threatening his administration as much as Pres. Biden's, that any delay would be costly to American lives.

So, my encouragement would be to climb down just a few steps off of that high place that you're standing and try to be a little more pragmatic about what could or couldn't have been done to save this young woman's life. Under the 'former guy's' plan and the ultimate carrying out of that plan by Pres. Biden, short of remaining in a bitter war with no end in site and, we can now say absolutely no backbone from this 'well trained and armed Afghan force' that we had built up over the last 10 years...likely very little if anything at all.

So, let's condemn those who are responsible for that young woman's head being separated from her body. It's the brutal and sexist regime of the Taliban form of governance and the U.N. should address such behavior of another sovereign nation. It's what they were conceived to do.

God bless,
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Hi again @JustSomeBloke

I decided to do a little research to bolster the position that I made above.

Here is a list of nations that refuse women the right to help in choosing their national and local leadership:

Vatican City - Saudi Arabia - Afghanistan - Pakistan - Uganda - Kenya - Oman - Qatar - Egypt - Nigeria - Papa New Guinea - Zanzibar.

Women in Saudi Arabia are forbidden to drive a vehicle. In Egypt a woman cannot leave her home without her husband's permission. 32 countries require a woman's husband's permission to apply for a passport. In Israel a woman is required to obtain her husband's permission to seek a divorce. A Nigerian husband has every legal right to hit his wife.

10 countries do their level best to keep girls from getting an education. South Sudan, Central African Republic, Niger, Afghanistan, Chad, Mali, Guinea, Burkina Faso, Liberia and Ethiopia.

So, it would certainly seem that a vast majority of the world is for, certainly the basic right of a woman not to be killed just because she's working or getting educated or enjoying some sport. That being the case, I can't imagine that if the U.N. were to take up this cause, that it wouldn't be agreed that such things should not happen. Perhaps spending your efforts encouraging a body of nations to take up the cause would garner better, and more lasting, results.

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So he has no responsibility at all?
Nope. I'm not sure Biden did the best job. But America's had plenty of warning to get out. But they didn't.
 
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I'm gonna disagree with everyone and say it isn't Biden's or Trump's fault.

It was George W. Bush who got us into this mess by not getting us out of Afghanistan while he was still in office.
 
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It's not like he turned all of our equipment, information on assets

No, that didn't happen. The equipment operated by the US military was either removed or destroyed. What was left was the equipment held by the Afghan military, which would not have been removed or destroyed by any president during a withdrawal of US forces. And, btw, that was about 24 billion in equipment (over the entire 20 yeasrs), not 85 billion. Eighty-five billion represents the entire amount the US spent on the Afgan military (equipment, supplies, maintenance, military and civilian salaries, et cetera) over the entire 20 years.

and the entire country over to the Taliban by withdrawing air support just as the Taliban was smashing Afghanistan's military.

Also untrue. The Afghan military was left with sufficient air support of their own. And the country belonged to them...it was not the property of the US to be "turned over" by the US.

It is their own country. What happens in their own country is their own responsibility.
 
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I'm gonna disagree with everyone and say it isn't Biden's or Trump's fault.

It was George W. Bush who got us into this mess by not getting us out of Afghanistan while he was still in office.

I would add Obama, who had the best opportunity (at least best pretext) to begin withdrawal when Osama bin Laden was killed. That was, after all, Bush's original mission in Afghanistan.
 
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I would add Obama, who had the best opportunity (at least best pretext) to begin withdrawal when Osama bin Laden was killed. That was, after all, Bush's original mission in Afghanistan.

Hi @RDKirk

I agree that per the original purpose of going into Afghanistan, we should have left after we accomplished the mission of killing Bin Laden. However, we just aren't set up that way. We think to imagine that we can change the world because we're so big and powerful and mighty and 'godly'. We tried to do much the same thing in Vietnam. Though my personal understanding is that we never did have any good reason to even start our entry into the Vietnam conflict. Sadly that conflict cost us many, many thousands of good men and women that didn't have to die. At least in Afghanistan we did have a 'good' reason to go there because we had just had a couple of thousand Americans killed on American soil by the work of Bin Laden and his ilk.

I think it's a very, very sad tale that after all the American lives, time and money spent trying to train up the Afghanistan forces to protect some kind of more democratic government, that within hours they just completely capitulated. But I'm fairly confident that it would have happened pretty much as it did whether it was Trump or Biden or some president 10 more years down the road who finally pulled the trigger. First, there is the issue of governments in that region being fairly open to bribery. So a lot of the money and materials that we provided didn't actually go for what it was intended for. Secondly, the Taliban forces weren't going anywhere. They'd pretty much been out of running the government for nearly 20 years and within hours after we leave, they were right back in it. They had waited pretty patiently for 20 years for the American and allied forces to get out, and they were fully prepared to jump right back in where they left off.

Now, according to some accounts, they aren't helping to support any of the international terrorism of Al Qaeda and other middle eastern terrorist groups. Hopefully they're murderous reign will only effect their own people and their own country. I rather imagine that they know that if they allow those terrorist groups to rise up within their borders, that they'd be inviting American forces back in. For their own peace, they need to keep those terrorist groups at bay.

So while I see it as a sad tale, I don't see that there was really much more, realistically, that we could have done to help them out of their problem...short of just taking over the country. It's a terrible thing that this woman died just for being involved in sports, although there hasn't been any formal explanation as to 'why' she had to die. But it isn't Pres. Biden's fault.

God bless,
Ted
 
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Guess things have not changed since the medieval period.

“Medieval” properly refers to a period of European history. And Afghanistan is decidedly more backward than Europe was in the Middle Ages.
 
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Hi again @JustSomeBloke

I decided to do a little research to bolster the position that I made above.

Here is a list of nations that refuse women the right to help in choosing their national and local leadership:

Vatican City - Saudi Arabia - Afghanistan - Pakistan - Uganda - Kenya - Oman - Qatar - Egypt - Nigeria - Papa New Guinea - Zanzibar.

I think you need to check your research

Pakistan had a female Prime Minister for a number of years. She served two non consecutive terms.

Papua New Guinea has female parliamentarians - there have been seven since 1975 (an admittedly small number).
 
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I think you need to check your research

Pakistan had a female Prime Minister for a number of years. She served two non consecutive terms.

Papua New Guinea has female parliamentarians - there have been seven since 1975 (an admittedly small number).

Hi @Gene2memE

Here's where I got the info from: Here Are The Countries Where It’s Still Really Difficult For Women To Vote

Thanks for the check up. Of course, in reading the heading, it says countries where it's 'difficult' for women to vote. I likely 'assumed' (oh no! There's that word) that it meant 'not allowed'.

Again, thanks for the heads up.

God bless,
Ted
 
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This country has much bigger fish to fry than some foreign terrorist regime.
We need to sick the FBI on those domestic terrorist soccer mom's that are harassing the school boards.
Or on parents who don't want their boys to be girls and vice versa. (Soon to be law where I live, unless we have a miracle.) Up to 10 years in prison for trying to talk a child out of gender change. Now that's a real pandemic and there is no vaccine against woke progressives.
 
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Or on parents who don't want their boys to be girls and vice versa. (Soon to be law where I live, unless we have a miracle.) Up to 10 years in prison for trying to talk a child out of gender change. Now that's a real pandemic and there is no vaccine against woke progressives.
I'm not sure why a parent, would try to talk their kids out of being transgender.
 
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I'm not sure why a parent, would try to talk their kids out of being transgender.

Because kids--being kids--don't necessarily know what they need or even want. That's why kids can't sign contracts.

Maybe the kid is actually homosexual. Maybe the kid is suffering a trauma that has nothing to do with "gender dysphoria" at all, and that trauma needs to be resolved first. Maybe a heterosexual boy just likes being "fabulous" like Prince but other kids--or even teachers--have been telling him he must be transgender. Maybe a heterosexual girl is just a roughhousing tomboy like Gina Carano. Maybe a kid who doesn't feel part of any group--a kid who might have been a Goth in the 90s--just wants to fit in with some none-stereotypical group.

Kids don't necessarily know.
 
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Women in Saudi Arabia are forbidden to drive a vehicle. In Egypt a woman cannot leave her home without her husband's permission. 32 countries require a woman's husband's permission to apply for a passport. In Israel a woman is required to obtain her husband's permission to seek a divorce. A Nigerian husband has every legal right to hit his wife.
The others might still be true (I'm not sure), but the ban on women driving in Saudi Arabia was rescinded several years ago.
 
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I am so sick and tired of people using the "you are german" line to try and shut me up, you wouldn't believe it.
Truth is truth regardless of who speaks it.

I hate when people deflect... Have the courage to acknowledge Nithavela's post and refute it instead of using red herrings and deflections.
 
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Because kids--being kids--don't necessarily know what they need or even want. That's why kids can't sign contracts.

Maybe the kid is actually homosexual. Maybe the kid is suffering a trauma that has nothing to do with "gender dysphoria" at all, and that trauma needs to be resolved first. Maybe a heterosexual boy just likes being "fabulous" like Prince but other kids--or even teachers--have been telling him he must be transgender. Maybe a heterosexual girl is just a roughhousing tomboy like Gina Carano. Maybe a kid who doesn't feel part of any group--a kid who might have been a Goth in the 90s--just wants to fit in with some none-stereotypical group.

Kids don't necessarily know.
Or what you said is wishful thinking. And has nothing to do with trying to brainwash a kid about being transgender or not.
 
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Or what you said is wishful thinking. And has nothing to do with trying to brainwash a kid about being transgender or not.

Do you really think pre-teens know themselves that well? Or for that matter, the average middle-schooler?
 
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