IS ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT GOD'S CHURCH?

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I see so your view is that no one in Israel of the old covenant is saved? Is that biblical? - Nope, because it is written in the new covenant scriptures in Romans 9:6-8 [6], Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7], Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. [8], That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. That is that those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says are counted for the promise. In the new covenant Gods' Israel are now all those who through faith believe and follow what Gods' Word says. Gentiles are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27 and we are all now one in Christ *Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29.



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The old covenant was broken and transgressed by the inhabitants of the earth ( all of them) and we know this as it is confirmed in the new..




Isaiah 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.




Picking at parts of scripture and interpreting it as we wish it to say, means very little, but to try to change the parts everybody already knows, why does one even bother at doing that.

The thread rest and refreshing is in all detail if anyone wants detail in life, its free to have a look for anyone.
 
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The changing of the law is because it was not life everlasting, ( as testified for you) what the Father says is told by the Son, as His commandment ( through Christ) is life everlasting..





Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.




This explains and verifies why the previous commandment made in the old covenant was not unto life, Israel thought it was, but it was of course of sin and death ( Romans 8) and now Jesus Christ is not made after the law of a carnal ( and then death) commandment, but after the power of an endless life ( that is why if we enter into life we follow the commandments of Christ through faith)..




Romans 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.


Hebrews 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
 
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Thanks but I know Hebrews very well and have been posting it to you and will continue doing so here. It is ok if you did not want to answer my question to you as I did not think you would to be honest once I showed you what scriptures I was referring to in relation to God's new covenant promise from Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews 10:16-17 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Anyhow no worries. I will post though for those who might be interested even if you are not and pray it might be a blessing to all those who read it.....

GOD'S NEW COVENANT PROMISE....

God's new covenant promise is given and repeated in Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews 10:16-17 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. The new covenant promise that God made was to his people Israel who in the new covenant scriptures as shown in the OP are now all those who are not born of the flesh but of the Spirit through believing and following what Gods' Word says (the Church both Jew and Gentile) *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29 etc (see OP). So what is Gods' new covenant promise?

GOD'S NEW COVENANT PROMISE OF SALVATION THROUGH FAITH FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

According to the scriptures Jesus came to magnify the law from the inside out (thoughts and feelings; the mind or heart) quoting Matthew 5:17-32 in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil begins in the heart *Genesis 6:5 which was the reason mankind was destroyed the first time in the flood *Genesis 6:7-13. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart Jesus says is what defile a man *Matthew15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28. So who can be saved?

Jesus knows us that naturally we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. This is why we need to be born again in the Spirit by faith to love God and keep his commandments *1 John 3:6-9. Jesus magnified the law to the inside out to show us that we are all sinners *Romans 3:9-10 in need of a Savior but many do not know the meaning of these scriptures *Matthew 9:12-13. This is the new covenant promise of God’s salvation in those who believe his Word and why we need to be born again through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:32-36; James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4. If we are not born again into God’s new covenant promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 24:13.

Righteousness comes from love because love is the fulfilling of God's law and the very expression of what love is *Romans 13:8-10. He that does not love does not know God for God is love * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are born again have a new heart to love and follow God *1 John 4:7. This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments *Jofn 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN *John 3:3-7 in to walk in the Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16 under Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to love we will not enter God’s Kingdom *John 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out which is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5.

All those who knowingly break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:19-20. All those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods’ Word and reject it according to the scriptures will not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God’s dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments or the 613 in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Love establishes God's law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4). Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is simply the fruit of love because salvation has already been provided through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:15; John 15:10-12; John 14:21; Matthew 22:26-40. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as obedience is the fruit of faith in God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed.

This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 13:8-10 and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments. and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Unless we are born again from the inside out we will never enter into God's kingdom

According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4.


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THE WORDING FOR GOD'S NEW COVENANT PROMISES....

Ezekiel 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART ALSO WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[27], And I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 [31], [31], Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; AND WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, said the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

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Hebrews 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

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Romans 8:4, THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

Romans 13:8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: FOR HE THAT LOVES HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, IT IS SUMMED UP IN THE SAYING YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Romans 8:13, FOR IF YOU LIVE AFTER THE FLESH YOU SHALL DIE: but IF YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO PUT TO DEATH THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YOU SHALL LIVE. [14], For as many as are LED BY THE SPIRIT of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 3:31, Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? GOD FORBID: NO, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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If we are not a part of God's Israel through faith in Gods' Word we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise. God never made a covenant with gentiles.

Hope this is helpful.

More cutting and pasting on your part. I hope you eventually come to understand that your tactics are rather pointless as most folks have no interest in wading through the standard string of SDA verses, many of which are wrenched from their contexts.

The bottom line with you folks is that there is no such thing as a new covenant because, as you believe, God has never enacted a covenant with Gentiles. All you have to go on is a heavily edited form of the old covenant, thanks to Mrs. White.
 
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Picking at parts of scripture and interpreting it as we wish it to say, means very little, but to try to change the parts everybody already knows, why does one even bother at doing that. The thread rest and refreshing is in all detail if anyone wants detail in life, its free to have a look for anyone.

Then please do not do what your are accusing others of in this post. I believe I have proven from the scriptures this is exactly what your doing here as shown for example in my response to your previous posts that you have chosen not to respond to. So far your only making accusations unsupported by any facts. Let's talk scripture and if you believe something that I have posted does not agree with the context of the scriptures I have provided giving a different meaning then show why you disagree from the scriptures like I have done with all of your posts (e.g see my last post to you for an example in post # 920). There is no need to be unfriendly in our discussions. We should not be afraid to come to Gods' Word to see if what we believe is true or not true. If we find through the scriptures that perhaps what we believe is not true and God blesses us with a correct understanding of the scriptures then how blessed are we? However if we choose to harden our hearts to hearing and seeing Gods' Word there a many warning about this in the scriptures.

Take Care.
 
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More cutting and pasting on your part. I hope you eventually come to understand that your tactics are rather pointless as most folks have no interest in wading through the standard string of SDA verses, many of which are wrenched from their contexts.

The bottom line with you folks is that there is no such thing as a new covenant because, as you believe, God has never enacted a covenant with Gentiles. All you have to go on is a heavily edited form of the old covenant, thanks to Mrs. White.

Actually not at all. Everything in post # 918 linked is my own personal bible study of God's Word what is it in the linked post that is mainly scripture which are Gods' Words not my words that you disagree with and why? Let's talk scripture detail please as our opinions do not really matter much as only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God *see Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and Matthew 15:2-9.

Take Care.
 
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Actually not at all. Everything in post # 918 linked is my own personal bible study of God's Word what is it in the linked post that is mainly scripture which are Gods' Words not my words that you disagree with and why? Let's talk scripture detail please as our opinions do not really matter much as only Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God *see Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and Matthew 15:2-9.

Take Care.

Been there done that. My opinions, in your opinion, are irrelevant. End of discussion . . . . . . until you pore over the letter to the Hebrews.
 
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Been there done that. My opinions, in your opinion, are irrelevant. End of discussion . . . . . . until you pore over the letter to the Hebrews.
Already done that as I know the book of Hebrews very well thank you which is why I have been posting scriptures from Hebrews as proof provided in scripture showing why I believe your teachings are not supported in the scriptures. Please see the detailed scripture response given in post # 918 linked that you simply choose to ignore. Anyhow as posted earlier you are indeed free to believe what you want to that is between you and God. I posted the linked post in case others were interested even if your not so of course we will agree to disagree as I do not believe many of your claims and teachings are biblical or supported in the scriptures.

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Then please do not do what your are accusing others of in this post. I believe I have proven from the scriptures this is exactly what your doing here as shown for example in my response to your previous posts that you have chosen not to respond to. So far your only making accusations unsupported by any facts. Let's talk scripture and if you believe something that I have posted does not agree with the context of the scriptures I have provided giving a different meaning then show why you disagree from the scriptures like I have done with all of your posts (e.g see my last post to you for an example in post # 920). There is no need to be unfriendly in our discussions. We should not be afraid to come to Gods' Word to see if what we believe is true or not true. If we find through the scriptures that perhaps what we believe is not true and God blesses us with a correct understanding of the scriptures then how blessed are we? However if we choose to harden our hearts to hearing and seeing Gods' Word there a many warning about this in the scriptures.

Take Care.


bbbbbbb: "The bottom line with you folks is that there is no such thing as a new covenant because, as you believe, God has never enacted a covenant with Gentiles. All you have to go on is a heavily edited form of the old covenant, thanks to Mrs. White."






LoveGodsword, you are kidding right ?


B, says it right, which you say, what right ?



I will add this extra part, the other doctrine requirement of these folks, is to reject all and whatsoever is told, which is contrary to one thing, their doctrine adherence.


It makes a pointless discussion, apart from, as stubbornly as they, to address what you believe in, and completely ignore the rest, as exactly they show themselves to only involve in.

There is new in the earth, it is not told for nothing that the antichrist denies Christ being this new thing on earth of coming in the flesh.




Let me again highlight this for everyone, walking in love is what we are to believe in and do, nothing added or taken away from that, the antichrist both adds and takes away, as we see from that by the doctrine of devils..



2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
 
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Then please do not do what your are accusing others of in this post. I believe I have proven from the scriptures this is exactly what your doing here as shown for example in my response to your previous posts that you have chosen not to respond to. So far your only making accusations unsupported by any facts. Let's talk scripture and if you believe something that I have posted does not agree with the context of the scriptures I have provided giving a different meaning then show why you disagree from the scriptures like I have done with all of your posts (e.g see my last post to you for an example in post # 920). There is no need to be unfriendly in our discussions. We should not be afraid to come to Gods' Word to see if what we believe is true or not true. If we find through the scriptures that perhaps what we believe is not true and God blesses us with a correct understanding of the scriptures then how blessed are we? However if we choose to harden our hearts to hearing and seeing Gods' Word there a many warning about this in the scriptures.
You responded with.
I will add this extra part, the other doctrine requirement of these folks, is to reject all and whatsoever is told, which is contrary to one thing, their doctrine adherence. It makes a pointless discussion, apart from, as stubbornly as they, to address what you believe in, and completely ignore the rest, as exactly they show themselves to only involve in.
There is new in the earth, it is not told for nothing that the antichrist denies Christ being this new thing on earth of coming in the flesh. Let me again highlight this for everyone, walking in love is what we are to believe in and do, nothing added or taken away from that, the antichrist both adds and takes away, as we see from that by the doctrine of devils.. 2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
I am sorry but I have no idea how your post here responds to or addresses anything in the post I have sent you.

Take Care.
 
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Thanks but I know Hebrews very well and have been posting it to you and will continue doing so here. It is ok if you did not want to answer my question to you as I did not think you would to be honest once I showed you what scriptures I was referring to in relation to God's new covenant promise from Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews 10:16-17 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. Anyhow no worries. I will post though for those who might be interested even if you are not and pray it might be a blessing to all those who read it.....

GOD'S NEW COVENANT PROMISE....

God's new covenant promise is given and repeated in Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews 10:16-17 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. The new covenant promise that God made was to his people Israel who in the new covenant scriptures as shown in the OP are now all those who are not born of the flesh but of the Spirit through believing and following what Gods' Word says (the Church both Jew and Gentile) *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29 etc (see OP). So what is Gods' new covenant promise?

GOD'S NEW COVENANT PROMISE OF SALVATION THROUGH FAITH FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

According to the scriptures Jesus came to magnify the law from the inside out (thoughts and feelings; the mind or heart) quoting Matthew 5:17-32 in fulfillment of *Isaiah 42:21. This is to show that unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. Evil begins in the heart *Genesis 6:5 which was the reason mankind was destroyed the first time in the flood *Genesis 6:7-13. Breaking God's 10 commandments from the heart Jesus says is what defile a man *Matthew15:18-19. Jesus is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *Matthew 23:27-28. So who can be saved?

Jesus knows us that naturally we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. This is why we need to be born again in the Spirit by faith to love God and keep his commandments *1 John 3:6-9. Jesus magnified the law to the inside out to show us that we are all sinners *Romans 3:9-10 in need of a Savior but many do not know the meaning of these scriptures *Matthew 9:12-13. This is the new covenant promise of God’s salvation in those who believe his Word and why we need to be born again through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to be free from sin (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:3-10; John 8:32-36; James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4. If we are not born again into God’s new covenant promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 24:13.

Righteousness comes from love because love is the fulfilling of God's law and the very expression of what love is *Romans 13:8-10. He that does not love does not know God for God is love * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are born again have a new heart to love and follow God *1 John 4:7. This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Those who are born again do not practice sin (breaking God's Commandments) *1 John 3:4-9. This is why John finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 John 5:3 and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments *Jofn 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN *John 3:3-7 in to walk in the Spirit *Romans 8:4; Galatians 5:16 under Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 to love we will not enter God’s Kingdom *John 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the inside out which is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5.

All those who knowingly break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11; Romans 3:19-20. All those who knowingly continue in unrepentant sin when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods’ Word and reject it according to the scriptures will not enter into God's kingdom because they reject the gift of God’s dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God’s grace *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments or the 613 in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Love establishes God's law in those who believe and follow God's Word (Romans 8:1-4). Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved it is simply the fruit of love because salvation has already been provided through faith *Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:15; John 15:10-12; John 14:21; Matthew 22:26-40. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. You cannot separate faith and works according to the scriptures just the same as you cannot separate love and law as obedience is the fruit of faith in God's Word which is how love to God and man is expressed.

This is the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Romans 13:8-10 and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments. and on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Unless we are born again from the inside out we will never enter into God's kingdom

According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4.


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THE WORDING FOR GOD'S NEW COVENANT PROMISES....

Ezekiel 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART ALSO WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[27], And I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 [31], [31], Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; AND WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, said the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

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Hebrews 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

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Romans 8:4, THAT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

Romans 13:8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: FOR HE THAT LOVES HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, IT IS SUMMED UP IN THE SAYING YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Romans 8:13, FOR IF YOU LIVE AFTER THE FLESH YOU SHALL DIE: but IF YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO PUT TO DEATH THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YOU SHALL LIVE. [14], For as many as are LED BY THE SPIRIT of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 3:31, Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? GOD FORBID: NO, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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If we are not a part of God's Israel through faith in Gods' Word we have no part in Gods' new covenant promise. God never made a covenant with gentiles.

Hope this is helpful.

I love the New Covenant promise and the book of Hebrews. You did a wonderful job of breaking it down. It clearly tells us the that laws of God has not ended and I am surprised so many people teach this. When we love God, we do no harm to God or our neighbor which means we keep the Ten Commandments like Jesus asked John 14:15, John 15:10. God bless
 
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I love the New Covenant promise and the book of Hebrews. You did a wonderful job of breaking it down. It clearly tells us the that laws of God has not ended and I am surprised so many people teach this. When we love God, we do no harm to God or our neighbor which means we keep the Ten Commandments like Jesus asked John 14:15, John 15:10. God bless
Well this is the thing I believe sis. The new covenant promise is God's law that defines what good and righteousness is (Psalms 119:172) written on the fleshly tables of the heart by the Spirit of God through faith that works by love and according to the scriptures, faith does not abolish God's law it establishes God's law in the lives of those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says *Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4 because God works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure as we believe what His Word says *Philippians 2:13. Salvation therefore is not freedom to break Gods' commandments it is freedom from sin or not breaking them (John 8:31-36). God's salvation is from sin, not salvation to continue practicing sin (breaking God's commandments). This is why Jesus says if we are not born again we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven in John 3:3-7 because those who are born again according to John in 1 John 3:6-9 do not practice sin (breaking Gods' commandments - 1 John 3:4) *1 John 2:3-4. This leads us back to the Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that those who teach lawlessness (without law) seek to promote either knowingly or unknowingly. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says anyone of God's 10 commandments have been abolished and the new covenant says that if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. Sin and those who practice sin and those who do not practice sin according to John is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

God bless.
 
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Well this is the thing I believe sis. The new covenant promise is God's law that defines what good and righteousness is (Psalms 119:172) is written on the heart through faith that works by love and according to the scriptures, faith does not abolish God's law it establishes God's law in the lives of those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says because God works in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure as we believe what His Word says *Philippians 2:13. Salvation therefore is not freedom to break Gods' commandments it is freedom from sin or not breaking them (John 8:31-36). God's salvation is from sin, not salvation to continue practicing sin (breaking God's commandments). This is why Jesus says if we are not born again we will not enter into the kingdom of heaven in John 3:3-7 because those who are born again according to John in 1 John 3:6-9 do not practice sin (breaking Gods' commandments) *1 John 2:3-4. This leads us back to the Sabbath which is one of God's 10 commandments that those who teach lawlessness (without law) seek to promote either knowingly or unknowingly. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says anyone of God's 10 commandments have been abolished and the new covenant says that if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11. Sin and those who practice sin and those who do not practice sin according to John is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil in 1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17: Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14.

God bless.
Amen!
 
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I think many people do not realize that the name "Israel" used by God for his people in the old covenant and now in the new covenant as applied to those who believe and follow His Word is only a name that is given by God that is not covenant dependent. Which means all of Gods' Word is for all of Gods' people to believe and follow.

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I think many people do not realize that the name Israel given by God to his people and now in the new covenant to all those who believe and follow His Word many people still do not realize that the name "Israel" is not covenant dependent. Which means all of Gods' Word is for all of Gods' people to believe and follow.

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Jesus affirmed that every word spoken by the prophets will come to pass. When you understand that you can understand Israels' destiny as a country.
 
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Jesus affirmed that every word spoken by the prophets will come to pass. When you understand that you can understand Israels' destiny as a country.
Jesus also pinpointed exactly WHEN that would happen:
Luke 21:20-22
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, in fulfillment of all things written.
 
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Jesus affirmed that every word spoken by the prophets will come to pass. When you understand that you can understand Israels' destiny as a country.
Prophecy is given in riddles (dark sayings) whose meanings are not clear (Numbers 12:8).
No one's interpretation of prophetic riddles is certain.
What is certain is that any interpretation of them in disagreement with apostolic teaching of the NT Scriptures (which conclude the truth of all Scripture) is not true.
And there is much interpretation today regarding Israel that is in disagreement with apostolic teaching.
 
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Prophecy is given in riddles (dark sayings) whose meanings are not clear (Numbers 12:8).
No one's interpretation of prophetic riddles is certain.
What is certain is that any interpretation of them in disagreement with apostolic teaching of the NT Scriptures (which conclude the truth of all Scripture) is not true.
And there is much interpretation today regarding Israel that is in disagreement with apostolic teaching.
National Israel still has a place in the program of God, but that will be at Second Coming event, as right now any Jew saved must come into spiritual Israel, the Church , made up of both Jews and Gentiles!
 
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Jesus also pinpointed exactly WHEN that would happen:
Luke 21:20-22
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, in fulfillment of all things written.
Hi you have selected one quote and the for sure that did come to pass but Jesus noted when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be to flee to the mountains and do not look back or even get your coat. Now in 70AD the destruction of the city Jerusalem and the temple did come to pass just as Dan 9 predicted and Jesus himself predicted both events because Israel did not know the day of their visitation. You rush to conclude that this is the day of vengeance which it is not. It was the day that the LORD and Daniel predicted but the day of vengeance is clear in Isaiah 61 what comes and it is the salvation of Israel being delivered from their enemies and the the distinctions between Jews and Gentiles in that day are marked. In 2 Thes 1 we see Paul talking about the day of vengeance too and it is when Jesus is revealed from heaven.

we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe,[fn] because our testimony among you was believed.

In Dan 2 the kingdom comes when the stone cut without hands descends and becomes the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end and it leaves no trace of the other kingdoms when it comes. In Zech 14 the LORD comes and is king over all the earth when Jerusalem is being overrun and He slays the invaders and is king over all the earth. Life continues after the LORD has come and the nations which are left must keep the feast of tabernacles and worship the king or they will get no rain. Look at Dan 7 the kingdom comes after 3 1/2 years of persecution where a decision is made in favor of the saints and the son of man who is before the ancient of days comes and saves and is given the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end. The tribulation is future and Israel is saved just as the prophecies say. The winepress of the wrath of God is the day of vengeance the 70 AD idea is punishment for Israel and Israel is saved out the great tribulation and that is proclaimed thought the Bible in both new and Old Testament.
 
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Hi you have selected one quote and the for sure that did come to pass but Jesus noted when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be to flee to the mountains and do not look back or even get your coat. Now in 70AD the destruction of the city Jerusalem and the temple did come to pass just as Dan 9 predicted and Jesus himself predicted both events because Israel did not know the day of their visitation. You rush to conclude that this is the day of vengeance which it is not. It was the day that the LORD and Daniel predicted but the day of vengeance is clear in Isaiah 61 what comes and it is the salvation of Israel being delivered from their enemies and the the distinctions between Jews and Gentiles in that day are marked. In 2 Thes 1 we see Paul talking about the day of vengeance too and it is when Jesus is revealed from heaven.

we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe,[fn] because our testimony among you was believed.

In Dan 2 the kingdom comes when the stone cut without hands descends and becomes the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end and it leaves no trace of the other kingdoms when it comes. In Zech 14 the LORD comes and is king over all the earth when Jerusalem is being overrun and He slays the invaders and is king over all the earth. Life continues after the LORD has come and the nations which are left must keep the feast of tabernacles and worship the king or they will get no rain. Look at Dan 7 the kingdom comes after 3 1/2 years of persecution where a decision is made in favor of the saints and the son of man who is before the ancient of days comes and saves and is given the kingdom that covers the earth and has no end. The tribulation is future and Israel is saved just as the prophecies say. The winepress of the wrath of God is the day of vengeance the 70 AD idea is punishment for Israel and Israel is saved out the great tribulation and that is proclaimed thought the Bible in both new and Old Testament.
AD 70 was NOT the Time of Jacobs Trouble, nor the great and terrible day of the Lord, not the great tribulation!
 
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