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No, that's not what I'm saying, though that notion may be valid. (i.e. that if it is intended to be the mark, it didn't work on you).

I'm saying that the vax nor the test (as demonstrated in your situation) doesn't seem to me to fit the model in Scripture of a moral fault in the recipient. I don't think that mere ignorance of just what a person is coerced into accepting, is the problem, unless it is 'ignorance on purpose'. But a warning, and an appeal to the Grace of God: The level of wisdom concerning the nature of "the mark", will serve the born-again well (who has the habit of pursuing Christ), when the mark comes, and will serve to condemn the self-satisfied wise man the more, for accepting the mark, (when he has been, prior, serving self instead of God).
sorry, i don't understand what ur saying (the 2nd paragraph)...
 
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sorry, i don't understand what ur saying (the 2nd paragraph)...
also, let's say this isn't the mark -- how will i know if/when it comes up, since i can't recognize god's 'voice' thru prayers or answers, or even know he's helped me until after the fact, nor recognize warning signs, or can only read the literal parts of the bible, as i can't understand anything else (symbolism, imagry, names, numbers, codes, etc)...these r just a few of my limitations (religious-wise) that r a result of my autism...also, hypothetically speaking, if this is the mark - like i believe it is - do u think i could still b saved even thou i'm no longer in god's image ( the dna change - transhumanism = chimera (1 jab), cyborg (2 jabs) ai- artificial intelligence (3rd & final jab) -- the rt pcr dna test giving it all in 1))???
 
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Mark Quayle said:
No, that's not what I'm saying, though that notion may be valid. (i.e. that if it is intended to be the mark, it didn't work on you).

I'm saying that the vax nor the test (as demonstrated in your situation) doesn't seem to me to fit the model in Scripture of a moral fault in the recipient. I don't think that mere ignorance of just what a person is coerced into accepting, is the problem, unless it is 'ignorance on purpose'. But a warning, and an appeal to the Grace of God: The level of wisdom concerning the nature of "the mark", will serve the born-again well (who has the habit of pursuing Christ), when the mark comes, and will serve to condemn the self-satisfied wise man the more, for accepting the mark, (when he has been, prior, serving self instead of God).

sorry, i don't understand what ur saying (the 2nd paragraph)...

I'll restate.

Your situation —that of accepting the vax/test ignorantly, or by necessity not related to moral fault— seems to me a demonstration of the fact that the vax/test is not the Mark of The Beast. Reading Scripture, I see no reason to believe that one will accept the Mark of the Beast by mere mistake. Rather, I see it as occurring by selfish motivation (such as is the case for those who consider their current predicament more important than their obedience to Christ), and by habitual departure from God's ways to man's ways.

At the worst, at least so far, I see the vax passports as a precursor to the Mark of the Beast —a trial balloon, a softening of the public will, the beginning of a bad habit of mind. The Mark of the Beast may be related to the vax, but so far, it doesn't seem (to me) to be so; too much says otherwise.

The subsequent innoculations, or getting into the habit of accepting them, for the mere sake of being permitted to buy and sell, seem to me more problematic than the first one. Isn't this the way of sin in the life? —not the first one, which is confessed and abandoned, but the way of reasoning to admit the subsequent sins, since the first has already happened?
 
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Long story short, Kristen, the vaccine doesn’t do any of that stuff to you. It’s just a vaccine. It’s not good, it’s not bad. It’s just a shot of fluid in the arm that may or may not help protect you from the virus.

It’s medicine. It’s not spiritual.

The people who are confusing this vaccine with the Mark are taking a practical thing (getting a shot) and misunderstanding it as a religious thing. But it’s no more religious than taking aspirin or tylenol, or arthritis medication. It’s just a drug, dear. It can’t hurt your soul.

The Mark will involve signing away your love of and devotion to Christ, in some way. The vaccine doesn’t do this. When you get the shot, you don’t also agree to stop following Christ. They’re not connected. So don’t worry, dear. This won’t turn you into a robot, or effect your salvation. It’s not the Mark.
 
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also, let's say this isn't the mark -- how will i know if/when it comes up, since i can't recognize god's 'voice' thru prayers or answers, or even know he's helped me until after the fact, nor recognize warning signs, or can only read the literal parts of the bible, as i can't understand anything else (symbolism, imagry, names, numbers, codes, etc)...these r just a few of my limitations (religious-wise) that r a result of my autism...also, hypothetically speaking, if this is the mark - like i believe it is - do u think i could still b saved even thou i'm no longer in god's image ( the dna change - transhumanism = chimera (1 jab), cyborg (2 jabs) ai- artificial intelligence (3rd & final jab) -- the rt pcr dna test giving it all in 1))???
Why do you believe being made in God's image necessarily includes this material physical dna?

Also, I wouldn't consider symbolism, imagery, names, nor specially, numbers and codes any value toward your salvation/safety. If you can't understand them, you are not required to understand them.

Let's look at an extreme, here. If one is in a coma, and they are given the vaccine/test as a precaution by the misled administrator, are they then prohibited from entry into Heaven? God can do anything.

But frankly, I think you need to take another look at why you think this is the Mark of the Beast. Do your research before jumping to conclusions, when something 'rings true' or makes sense to you. Get some more points of view on it.
 
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Why do you believe being made in God's image necessarily includes this material physical dna?

Also, I wouldn't consider symbolism, imagery, names, nor specially, numbers and codes any value toward your salvation/safety. If you can't understand them, you are not required to understand them.

Let's look at an extreme, here. If one is in a coma, and they are given the vaccine/test as a precaution by the misled administrator, are they then prohibited from entry into Heaven? God can do anything.

But frankly, I think you need to take another look at why you think this is the Mark of the Beast. Do your research before jumping to conclusions, when something 'rings true' or makes sense to you. Get some more points of view on it.
ok - there's the fact i felt micro-chips implanted, as well as the liquid vaxx/medicine in my nose & the swab, (which i call wand, cus that's what it looked like -- a 6in wand w' what looked like a ball (all bristles on it 2 hide everything) & what looked like a tongue depressor, that when used 2gether looked like a malformed pair of tongs, literally going to the base/ bridge of my brain where the chips went up into my front lobe - or 4head...plus, there's the fact that there never was a true image of the test & like i said, it wasn't a cotton swab...i have been looking @ other sites 2 get different views of if the mark is the test/jab, but i know what i felt & i'm now experiencing 1 of the side effects that wasn't mentioned (until i found a list that had/has the thing's i'd mentioned, as well as things that weren't mentioned) &/cuz of that, i can't shake off this feeling...
 
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ok - there's the fact i felt micro-chips implanted, as well as the liquid vaxx/medicine in my nose & the swab, (which i call wand, cus that's what it looked like -- a 6in wand w' what looked like a ball (all bristles on it 2 hide everything) & what looked like a tongue depressor, that when used 2gether looked like a malformed pair of tongs, literally going to the base/ bridge of my brain where the chips went up into my front lobe - or 4head...plus, there's the fact that there never was a true image of the test & like i said, it wasn't a cotton swab...i have been looking @ other sites 2 get different views of if the mark is the test/jab, but i know what i felt & i'm now experiencing 1 of the side effects that wasn't mentioned (until i found a list that had/has the thing's i'd mentioned, as well as things that weren't mentioned) &/cuz of that, i can't shake off this feeling...
Well, spend your time pursuing Christ: praying, following. What is done is irrelevant to what Christ is doing in you. Unless you know something I don't about all this, there's nothing to be gained by worrying about it —try to let "this feeling" wear down and become irrelevant if you can, and spend your time getting to know Christ instead. You can't save yourself.
 
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Well, spend your time pursuing Christ: praying, following. What is done is irrelevant to what Christ is doing in you. Unless you know something I don't about all this, there's nothing to be gained by worrying about it —try to let "this feeling" wear down and become irrelevant if you can, and spend your time getting to know Christ instead. You can't save yourself.
thnx - i appreciate ur reply & i know u'r right...i've been tryingb2 focus on the positive things & not the negative -- esp those things that happened in which i have no have/had no control over...i can b ok 4 awhile, but when i get stressed &/or my sensory system overwhelms me, or if i even have a bad day, that's usually the 1st thought that comes 2 mind ( not only cuz it's not something i can fix, but cuz it's the most serious/ biggest issue 1 can face, as it deals w' salvation)...also, abt what u'd said abt something ringing a bell or as i'd say hitting me, what u just said does, so thnx...
 
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For further assurance consider the things written in scripture vs internet videos and such, particularly Revelation 7 and Revelation 14 and 22 vs Revelation 13 verses 16-18. Here you will find a parity between two seals. One side shows a seal ( in Rev7,14,22), a mark if you will of loyalty to Christ where it says to harm vegetation and such but not the people till Christ's own are sealed. The other, the mark of the beast ( Rev 13) in like manner seals those people to Satan as his own. It's a matter of your loyalty, be that to Christ or to Satan.. Satan love to mimic the things of God and to deceive.

For all intents and purposes we don't even really know if this is a mark we can as humans see or detect ( devices and such) but rather deity sees and the angels with plagues and riders with judgements sees. Chips and devices implanted by man and pharmacists are mere speculation at best, at any rate. What's important is your loyalty to Christ. If you are born again and sealed till the day of redemption already then you can't be loyal to Satan too, the beast, false prophet etc. You literally can not receive the mark written of in Revelation 13 which is the one you are concerned about. You have to have renounced Christ Look to the bible for your answers, it's our guide through life. But Satan can not rip off Gods seal,he can rip off the notion easy enough though ! There is much deception in our world today but we haven't even made it to the matters you worry about . We may be in the birth pangs period just prior, it's looking that way out there in the world.. And what Jesus said to that is not to worry, these things must come to pass but instead look up as your redemption draws near. Go God, praise your Holy Name Lord Jesus !!
 
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For further assurance consider the things written in scripture vs internet videos and such, particularly Revelation 7 and Revelation 14 and 22 vs Revelation 13 verses 16-18. Here you will find a parity between two seals. One side shows a seal ( in Rev7,14,22), a mark if you will of loyalty to Christ where it says to harm vegetation and such but not the people till Christ's own are sealed. The other, the mark of the beast ( Rev 13) in like manner seals those people to Satan as his own. It's a matter of your loyalty, be that to Christ or to Satan.. Satan love to mimic the things of God and to deceive.

For all intents and purposes we don't even really know if this is a mark we can as humans see or detect ( devices and such) but rather deity sees and the angels with plagues and riders with judgements sees. Chips and devices implanted by man and pharmacists are mere speculation at best, at any rate. What's important is your loyalty to Christ. If you are born again and sealed till the day of redemption already then you can't be loyal to Satan too, the beast, false prophet etc. You literally can not receive the mark written of in Revelation 13 which is the one you are concerned about. You have to have renounced Christ Look to the bible for your answers, it's our guide through life. But Satan can not rip off Gods seal,he can rip off the notion easy enough though ! There is much deception in our world today but we haven't even made it to the matters you worry about . We may be in the birth pangs period just prior, it's looking that way out there in the world.. And what Jesus said to that is not to worry, these things must come to pass but instead look up as your redemption draws near. Go God, praise your Holy Name Lord Jesus !!
thnx 4 ur advice, & i may b wrong on this, but the verse that says, he will causeth (which could mean taken unknowingly, tricked, devceived (god's grt delusion) unwillingly, forced (in that it was snuck in the vaxx, & u didn't know, or that u had 2 keep ur job, kids being 'forced' 2 by their parents or by school administators w' out their parent's knowledge, or like in my case, as a requirement 4 hospital admittance & use of machines or other procedures, or even 4 surgeries, etc???i mean i know u can still buy /sell, right now, but what abt when we go cash-less, which from what i'm c'ng/reading, could even happen early next yr, if not the one following (it's been accepted & we now wait for it 2 b announced 2 the public)...also, the worship part is entwined in that the vaxx from the rt pcr dna test was made & came from china, & that it's stronger than the us version (which is y it takes 3 jabs 2 = the vaxx from the test...so, those that don't get the 3 jabs can still b saved, but 4 those -like me- who took the full mark from the test rn't, cuz having it in the 4head means u r fully devoted 2 satan & the hand just means ur an advesary...i know that the test is done in the nose & the the jab in the shoulder, so i can c y u might not c it as the case...i'd mentioned how i felt micro-chips being implanted in the base /bridge of my brain (which is the case on what i described earler abt the test, how it works, what it actually looks like as there is no true image/pix of the test (that it's not a regular cotton swab), & how there's not alot of info on it -- that even when i first looked up the test cuz of how i felt, there were only 3- 5 bits of info, & even now, i c abt the same, thou the ones i 1st saw r now gone (censored) & i strongly believe it 2 b cuz of what i felt, plus what i've learned (experience & bible...as for the buy/sell part, that was another chip i felt (i felt 3 lst 3, but from what i've read, there could b more...i also need 2 mention that it's the dna change (transhumanism), that is done...that's y the jabs r done in 3 steps - the first turns u into a chimera, the second into a cyborg (if u stop here, u can still b saved salvation -wise) & the last artificial intelligence - the pt in which u become unredeemable cuz w' the amt of dna change (in which something called a crisper - which i don't know anything abt - has been used), u turn into a hybrid, so u'r no longer in the image of god, but of a fallen angel - nelphium or demon...jesus did not die on the cross 4 them, but only 4 humans, or those that still have (enuff) of his image...(anyway, one thing the bible doesn't say (as it was & is being altered 2 fit the agenda of the new world order - which is shown by the fact that there r many bible versions -- not 1 telling the whole truth as some have missing verses (which is easily seen since they r labeled by #'s), they contradict 1 another, the words r changed which changes the meaning of a sentence, or passage (i know this, cuz as an aspie/autistic that can only understand the literal parts of the bible, i had 2 read thru many bible versions, just 2 find 1 that i'd b able 2 understand & that is what i saw)...initially, we never had the true bible ever since it was translated from it's original languages - greek & hebrew...yea, mayby some parts r rite, but which ones???anyway, as i was saying, 1 thing that the bible doesn't say is that the hand inincludes the whole arm as well as u'r shoulder...just like the fact that the rt pcr dna test is done thru the nose, but the chips travel from the brain 2 the 4head...so this is what i was talking abt when taking (receiving, willingly or unwillingly, thru force or decievement) the vaxx...here's more evidence ( re: the hand) y does one version say on, others say in, & even others up in???so, what is the truth...this is like what i'd mentioned earlier, he causeth (which could mean however it's taken) or he forces (thou not in the way of being held down, like the bible says, but instead, it's 'forced' by being snuck in the vaxx from both test & jab)...i know i may sound like a conspiracy theorist & i hope i'm wrong on this, but this is my take on it...besides, there may not b another mass global religious/spiritual event like many seem 2 think...i mean i know that the bible says that u will c it, u will know what it means & u will choose it & do so willingly...well y would satan even tell u, cuz if he did, he knows that no one would b willing 2 take it...that's y he has 2 use stealth by sneaking it into something - like the vax...i mean, think of what's all ready happening, being forced 2 wear masks in different states, whether it b all the time (in door & out), or just in some cases, or not @ all...i live in alaska, so i know that there r 3 cities (2 being the lgst - anchorage & fairbanks & the capital - juneau -which is smaller than alot of other cities, or should i say towns or villages in alaska)...these r the places in which have gone 'full commie' in that they not only require mask wearing b4 going into any place of business, but if u'r in a nedical facility of any kind - inc counselors, psychochologists, psychiratists, therapists, homopathics, etc, then u have 2 wear a mask that they provide, not r own...that's cuz these r tainted w' nano- particles, just like the regular cotton swabs that dr's use..
(by the way, this part is required in my town - homer - as well)...well i'm thinking abt it - re: the tests: the rt pcr dna tests (or medicine kits) that inject u was the only test available in the state, so 4 others who took that same test - which has now been recalled) r in the same boat as me,but don't know it & as far as i know, i'm the only 1 who felt the chips & vaxx cuz of being extremely sensitive cuz of my autism (this is a common trait)...so from the research i've done, this was the only test available 4 various states...in other words, we were a target...keepin mind thou, that i never did want 2 have the test or vaxx cuz i didn't c y a hlthy person should take it, but it was the only way i could get the care that i needed --- beginning 2 sound familiar???anyway, all the other towns & villages only have 2 wear them in the medical facilities - wearing the masks that they r given & not their own, or if it's required by a business (in some places, it's only recommended but u don't have 2 wear one - so initially, it's the mayor & business owners that r making the choices & it apparently depends on the party of the mayors...4 ex. the mayor of the 3 cities/towns that have gone full commie, r democrats & mine is a either a republican or conservative...we also currently have a conservative governor, who people r trying 2 recall since he's more truthful & honest than some politicians, but he's not making that decision, like the governors of other states, cuz he doesn't want 2 rock the boat, so 2 speak...so, basically, the masks represent submission - 2 try 2 get people 2 obey & accept the jabs (& the tests, which rn't mentioned...b'sides, y has those in the white house in trump's time repeatedly said tests should b taken & during that time, trump was against it, but now is suddenly 4 it...y weren't people informed abt the test- not only that it would inject u, but of the possibility it could kill u...y, even w' just the jabs, rn't we being informed of what's actually in the vaxx & what it does (that's cuz both the cdc & vaxx makers knows what's in there & the effects it will have - cdc doesn't tell the truth abt what's in the vaxx ((of both test & jab)), so a person isn't able 2 give informed consent & the vaxx makers don't want 2 deal w; the 'injuries' that they knew would come up, so they're completely absolved from that)...1 more pt abt the masks - right on the pkg it says it doesn't work 4 viruses period -- it's used 2 make those that take the vaxx even sicker & it doesn't help w' the unvacxex either, as it's the vaxxed that r making people sich (a process called shedding)...just think of the cases in which a vaxxed interacts w' the unvaxxed, y would someone who doesn't take the vaxx suddenly gets a blood clot, or who's baby just suddenly dies w' out a reason...anyway, what abt the bribes coming out 2 get people vaxxed, like getting free dinners, or even now ther's an ad that says if u get vaxxed, then u can enter a contest, or just taking it so things can rtn 2 pre-covid...well, i hate 2 say it, but things r never gonna get normal -- we r now in the end times -- & the bible is wrong in the way it talks abt how the tribulation occurs -- the last i checked, we were 3.5 yrs into the tribulation, which means that the rapture doesn't occur until after the tribulaton...i can send plenty of articles, video's proving what i'm trying 2 say, but that would make a full book...so, i hope u understand y i'm so concerned abt my salvation (if u need 2 c more info re: the test, etc, plz read my posts above, that way u can c things as i c them) & am asking if u think i can keep my salvation - not only cuz of my autism (my limitations r written in earlier posts, so plz read all my posts if u choose 2 answer & i hope u do, cuz not only do i literally have no support from anyone - as every christian i've talked 2 not only have different interpretations of the bible & r so closed minded in what they believe that they don't or rn't willing 2 hear other opinions, but as an autistic, i'm unable 2 understand most of it (symbols, imagry, names, #'s, codes, etc) & am unable 2 read between the lines...i had left my church over 10 yrs ago, both cuz of the fact my autism got worse as an adult (which is typically what happens, even thou people may think that's not the case) & cuz of a 'spiritual attack' (due 2 my sensitivities -- usually the autism makes the autistic closer 2 the spiritual world -- like i can c spirits in human form (like my grandpa after he died) or vague outlines or shadows of spirits in human shape that r from dark black 2 lighter shades of black, which so far has shown me which r good & which r bad & yea, i've seen & felt both...the good ones have lighter shades of black & i've been touched by some -- u feel a tingling in ur upper stomach 4 a few sec & actually feel like ur being lifted up, even if u r laying down flat - like on ur bed...they also sometimes leave behind a small white feather or 2 - which represents calm, peace, protection or an answer 2 ur prayers...the bad or evil one (which i only saw every nite b4 being diagnosed w' narcolepsy) was pure dark black, would hold a knife that they held, up 2 my throat & i would wake up the next day w' a mark where the knife had been...i also was literally touched by it & felt it's hand - of flesh...luckily, since i've been on meds 4 it, i haven't seen it since...i can also hear music late @nite when people r asleep - as i live in an apt, it sounds like it's coming from another room, but it's @ a time when people r asleep...i also had a recent experience in which the light bulb in my storage/cat's room had burnt out 4 abt a week...i tried 2 get maintaince in 2 replace the bulb, which i couldn't do cuz it was a flourescent light, but no one came in...naturally, i would try 2 flick the switch, 4getting it was burnt out & of course it didn't turn on...abt a week ltr, once again, i hit the switch & it turned on & it still works 2 this day...i didn't do nothing & maintanence didn't do anything as they never came in, so that shows that it was some sort of spirital experience - a way 2 get my attention...even now, althou the test was 2 yrs ago, not only have i still been having these experiences (not the bad one, or w' my dead grandpa,but these other ones), which began this yr, but 4 the 1st time since i left my church, i recently felt the spirt once 4 a longer time & gtr intensity...so, that's gotta mean something, huh???anyway, this spiritual attack taught me that i was in the wrong church, that the teachings they had weren't correct (it was the lds or better known as the mormon church)...there's way more info abt how/y i got into that church, but i won't go there - 4 now...anyway, that's how my autism affects me & how it relates 2 the bible...so, if u know the bible, plz answer this ? - even hypothetically if u don't believe this 2 b the mark: based on this info, do u think i can/ will still b able 2 keep my salvation, since it was my autism that led me into this???like i said, if u do, plz go back & read my posts - thnx
 
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thnx 4 ur advice, & i may b wrong on this, but the verse that says, he will causeth (which could mean taken unknowingly, tricked, devceived (god's grt delusion) unwillingly, forced (in that it was snuck in the vaxx, & u didn't know, or that u had 2 keep ur job, kids being 'forced' 2 by their parents or by school administators w' out their parent's knowledge, or like in my case, as a requirement 4 hospital admittance & use of machines or other procedures, or even 4 surgeries, etc???i mean i know u can still buy /sell, right now, but what abt when we go cash-less, which from what i'm c'ng/reading, could even happen early next yr, if not the one following (it's been accepted & we now wait for it 2 b announced 2 the public)...also, the worship part is entwined in that the vaxx from the rt pcr dna test was made & came from china, & that it's stronger than the us version (which is y it takes 3 jabs 2 = the vaxx from the test...so, those that don't get the 3 jabs can still b saved, but 4 those -like me- who took the full mark from the test rn't, cuz having it in the 4head means u r fully devoted 2 satan & the hand just means ur an advesary...i know that the test is done in the nose & the the jab in the shoulder, so i can c y u might not c it as the case...i'd mentioned how i felt micro-chips being implanted in the base /bridge of my brain (which is the case on what i described earler abt the test, how it works, what it actually looks like as there is no true image/pix of the test (that it's not a regular cotton swab), & how there's not alot of info on it -- that even when i first looked up the test cuz of how i felt, there were only 3- 5 bits of info, & even now, i c abt the same, thou the ones i 1st saw r now gone (censored) & i strongly believe it 2 b cuz of what i felt, plus what i've learned (experience & bible...as for the buy/sell part, that was another chip i felt (i felt 3 lst 3, but from what i've read, there could b more...i also need 2 mention that it's the dna change (transhumanism), that is done...that's y the jabs r done in 3 steps - the first turns u into a chimera, the second into a cyborg (if u stop here, u can still b saved salvation -wise) & the last artificial intelligence - the pt in which u become unredeemable cuz w' the amt of dna change (in which something called a crisper - which i don't know anything abt - has been used), u turn into a hybrid, so u'r no longer in the image of god, but of a fallen angel - nelphium or demon...jesus did not die on the cross 4 them, but only 4 humans, or those that still have (enuff) of his image...(anyway, one thing the bible doesn't say (as it was & is being altered 2 fit the agenda of the new world order - which is shown by the fact that there r many bible versions -- not 1 telling the whole truth as some have missing verses (which is easily seen since they r labeled by #'s), they contradict 1 another, the words r changed which changes the meaning of a sentence, or passage (i know this, cuz as an aspie/autistic that can only understand the literal parts of the bible, i had 2 read thru many bible versions, just 2 find 1 that i'd b able 2 understand & that is what i saw)...initially, we never had the true bible ever since it was translated from it's original languages - greek & hebrew...yea, mayby some parts r rite, but which ones???anyway, as i was saying, 1 thing that the bible doesn't say is that the hand inincludes the whole arm as well as u'r shoulder...just like the fact that the rt pcr dna test is done thru the nose, but the chips travel from the brain 2 the 4head...so this is what i was talking abt when taking (receiving, willingly or unwillingly, thru force or decievement) the vaxx...here's more evidence ( re: the hand) y does one version say on, others say in, & even others up in???so, what is the truth...this is like what i'd mentioned earlier, he causeth (which could mean however it's taken) or he forces (thou not in the way of being held down, like the bible says, but instead, it's 'forced' by being snuck in the vaxx from both test & jab)...i know i may sound like a conspiracy theorist & i hope i'm wrong on this, but this is my take on it...besides, there may not b another mass global religious/spiritual event like many seem 2 think...i mean i know that the bible says that u will c it, u will know what it means & u will choose it & do so willingly...well y would satan even tell u, cuz if he did, he knows that no one would b willing 2 take it...that's y he has 2 use stealth by sneaking it into something - like the vax...i mean, think of what's all ready happening, being forced 2 wear masks in different states, whether it b all the time (in door & out), or just in some cases, or not @ all...i live in alaska, so i know that there r 3 cities (2 being the lgst - anchorage & fairbanks & the capital - juneau -which is smaller than alot of other cities, or should i say towns or villages in alaska)...these r the places in which have gone 'full commie' in that they not only require mask wearing b4 going into any place of business, but if u'r in a nedical facility of any kind - inc counselors, psychochologists, psychiratists, therapists, homopathics, etc, then u have 2 wear a mask that they provide, not r own...that's cuz these r tainted w' nano- particles, just like the regular cotton swabs that dr's use..
(by the way, this part is required in my town - homer - as well)...well i'm thinking abt it - re: the tests: the rt pcr dna tests (or medicine kits) that inject u was the only test available in the state, so 4 others who took that same test - which has now been recalled) r in the same boat as me,but don't know it & as far as i know, i'm the only 1 who felt the chips & vaxx cuz of being extremely sensitive cuz of my autism (this is a common trait)...so from the research i've done, this was the only test available 4 various states...in other words, we were a target...keepin mind thou, that i never did want 2 have the test or vaxx cuz i didn't c y a hlthy person should take it, but it was the only way i could get the care that i needed --- beginning 2 sound familiar???anyway, all the other towns & villages only have 2 wear them in the medical facilities - wearing the masks that they r given & not their own, or if it's required by a business (in some places, it's only recommended but u don't have 2 wear one - so initially, it's the mayor & business owners that r making the choices & it apparently depends on the party of the mayors...4 ex. the mayor of the 3 cities/towns that have gone full commie, r democrats & mine is a either a republican or conservative...we also currently have a conservative governor, who people r trying 2 recall since he's more truthful & honest than some politicians, but he's not making that decision, like the governors of other states, cuz he doesn't want 2 rock the boat, so 2 speak...so, basically, the masks represent submission - 2 try 2 get people 2 obey & accept the jabs (& the tests, which rn't mentioned...b'sides, y has those in the white house in trump's time repeatedly said tests should b taken & during that time, trump was against it, but now is suddenly 4 it...y weren't people informed abt the test- not only that it would inject u, but of the possibility it could kill u...y, even w' just the jabs, rn't we being informed of what's actually in the vaxx & what it does (that's cuz both the cdc & vaxx makers knows what's in there & the effects it will have - cdc doesn't tell the truth abt what's in the vaxx ((of both test & jab)), so a person isn't able 2 give informed consent & the vaxx makers don't want 2 deal w; the 'injuries' that they knew would come up, so they're completely absolved from that)...1 more pt abt the masks - right on the pkg it says it doesn't work 4 viruses period -- it's used 2 make those that take the vaxx even sicker & it doesn't help w' the unvacxex either, as it's the vaxxed that r making people sich (a process called shedding)...just think of the cases in which a vaxxed interacts w' the unvaxxed, y would someone who doesn't take the vaxx suddenly gets a blood clot, or who's baby just suddenly dies w' out a reason...anyway, what abt the bribes coming out 2 get people vaxxed, like getting free dinners, or even now ther's an ad that says if u get vaxxed, then u can enter a contest, or just taking it so things can rtn 2 pre-covid...well, i hate 2 say it, but things r never gonna get normal -- we r now in the end times -- & the bible is wrong in the way it talks abt how the tribulation occurs -- the last i checked, we were 3.5 yrs into the tribulation, which means that the rapture doesn't occur until after the tribulaton...i can send plenty of articles, video's proving what i'm trying 2 say, but that would make a full book...so, i hope u understand y i'm so concerned abt my salvation (if u need 2 c more info re: the test, etc, plz read my posts above, that way u can c things as i c them) & am asking if u think i can keep my salvation - not only cuz of my autism (my limitations r written in earlier posts, so plz read all my posts if u choose 2 answer & i hope u do, cuz not only do i literally have no support from anyone - as every christian i've talked 2 not only have different interpretations of the bible & r so closed minded in what they believe that they don't or rn't willing 2 hear other opinions, but as an autistic, i'm unable 2 understand most of it (symbols, imagry, names, #'s, codes, etc) & am unable 2 read between the lines...i had left my church over 10 yrs ago, both cuz of the fact my autism got worse as an adult (which is typically what happens, even thou people may think that's not the case) & cuz of a 'spiritual attack' (due 2 my sensitivities -- usually the autism makes the autistic closer 2 the spiritual world -- like i can c spirits in human form (like my grandpa after he died) or vague outlines or shadows of spirits in human shape that r from dark black 2 lighter shades of black, which so far has shown me which r good & which r bad & yea, i've seen & felt both...the good ones have lighter shades of black & i've been touched by some -- u feel a tingling in ur upper stomach 4 a few sec & actually feel like ur being lifted up, even if u r laying down flat - like on ur bed...they also sometimes leave behind a small white feather or 2 - which represents calm, peace, protection or an answer 2 ur prayers...the bad or evil one (which i only saw every nite b4 being diagnosed w' narcolepsy) was pure dark black, would hold a knife that they held, up 2 my throat & i would wake up the next day w' a mark where the knife had been...i also was literally touched by it & felt it's hand - of flesh...luckily, since i've been on meds 4 it, i haven't seen it since...i can also hear music late @nite when people r asleep - as i live in an apt, it sounds like it's coming from another room, but it's @ a time when people r asleep...i also had a recent experience in which the light bulb in my storage/cat's room had burnt out 4 abt a week...i tried 2 get maintaince in 2 replace the bulb, which i couldn't do cuz it was a flourescent light, but no one came in...naturally, i would try 2 flick the switch, 4getting it was burnt out & of course it didn't turn on...abt a week ltr, once again, i hit the switch & it turned on & it still works 2 this day...i didn't do nothing & maintanence didn't do anything as they never came in, so that shows that it was some sort of spirital experience - a way 2 get my attention...even now, althou the test was 2 yrs ago, not only have i still been having these experiences (not the bad one, or w' my dead grandpa,but these other ones), which began this yr, but 4 the 1st time since i left my church, i recently felt the spirt once 4 a longer time & gtr intensity...so, that's gotta mean something, huh???anyway, this spiritual attack taught me that i was in the wrong church, that the teachings they had weren't correct (it was the lds or better known as the mormon church)...there's way more info abt how/y i got into that church, but i won't go there - 4 now...anyway, that's how my autism affects me & how it relates 2 the bible...so, if u know the bible, plz answer this ? - even hypothetically if u don't believe this 2 b the mark: based on this info, do u think i can/ will still b able 2 keep my salvation, since it was my autism that led me into this???like i said, if u do, plz go back & read my posts - thnx
ps: i'm hoping that ur answers will help me 2 turn away from this cuz this has literally been eating @ me ever since this test took place - 2yrs ago...also, i would like 2 hear from those w' any form of autism as well, as i'd like 2 c u'r/they're take on this as well
 
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ps: i'm hoping that ur answers will help me 2 turn away from this cuz this has literally been eating @ me ever since this test took place - 2yrs ago...also, i would like 2 hear from those w' any form of autism as well, as i'd like 2 c u'r/they're take on this as well
1 final pt i 4got 2 make (re: the numerous bibile versions) is that all the versions agree on 1 thing - that all who take/receive it ( no matter how it was taken/received - unwillingly, unknowingly, forcefully (or in my case snuck in w' out my knowledge), trickery, deceivement (god's grt delusion), lies, etc, all (everyone) will feel god's wrath...in other words, it reads as though that's the end - that whoever/however it's taken is unredeemable...so, even if the bible does have some parts that r true, what r those parts???i believe that these different versions r just 2 confuse us & god isn't the author of confusion - not even when it comes 2 autism...i mean i know that god can speak 2 us all (everyone) in ways we can understand, but it's my autism -- which i know is caused cuz of this fallen world- is preventing me from understanding -- i can't recognize god's voice - thru answers, prayers or warning signs, i can't understand the majority of the bible as i can only understand/take things literally, althou i do know what's rite & wrong, i don't always know when i'm sinning unless it's written/listed, defined/explained & have examples in the bible (i know the 10 commandments, but only as they r stated),& due 2 only being able 2 focus on 2 days @ most (as my sensory system will overload & overwhelm me 2 the pt that it literally debilitates me 2 the pt that it takes @ lst 4 days 2 fully recover) so i'm unable 2 focus on anything beyond that like future events, etc...in other words, i wouldn't have found out abt this mark of beast thing b4 it actually happened & the only reason i did was cuz of what i felt (vaxx & micro - chips)...althou there were only 3- 5 articles abt it (which r now gone), i knew (sensed) that that was indeed it & now w' what i've seen re: the jab vax, that only reaffirms what i thought...anyway, that's y i'm asking abt ur views -- this is my way - the only way that i know how 2 - 2 try & get out of this mode...also, i never did leave god, reject him, turn away from him, nor blame him 4 anything - even this...this does not mean i'm giving up on god - cuz there's a part of me that won't let that happen, even if i chose 2 do so, plus, i know that if i was actually able 2, if i gave up/gave in or compromised my beliefs (god), i would feel extremely guilty knowing that i was living a lie - cuz all i want is the truth...even the day that happened - i prayed that god would protect me from satan & that he would eliviate (get rid of the symptoms leading up 2 this hospital visit & he did, until i had 1 major symptom that made me c the need 2 go...so, i don't understand y god would do that 2 me (allow me 2 be deceived & sent 2 the lake of fire & brimstone 4 that, as well as be marked w the worst of the signs - the 4head, which shows i actually worshipped satan, when i didn't...if i did, i wouldn't have/ didn't recognize it cuz of my autism, but i do know 4 a fact that althou i didn't know when i was sinning, but i did repent 4 the things i knew & even so, i know i wouldn't have done anything bad enuff 2 deserve this...like i said, i don't blame god, i blame myself...anyway, i needed 2 get that out there...also, i apologize 4 the repeatition, i understand how it can get tiring, but this is the only way i can process things...initially, there's so much wiring in my brain - as proven by an mri - & as such, it can take me a long time 2 process things - whether it b days, months, or yrs...
 
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I just go back to my original statements.

The vaccine is not the mark.

If you are a born again believer, bought by the blood of Christ, you're under new management and already sealed unto the day of redemption.

Don't let a bunch of abstracts become your reality, which can easily happen with autistic people, even though they and probably you can reason well. Look to the assurance scriptures rather than the condemnation scriptures. Read Ephesians 1 and 2. Believe Romans 8:1. Read 2 Thessalonians 2 and 1 Thessalonians 4. And remember you " must be born again" period. Consider that too much knowledge without wisdom is detrimental and from where comes our wisdom but from above. If anyone wants wisdom ask, James 1:5. Knowledge can come from many places but wisdom helps you to discern and to know that the knowledge you actually receive is from God and not the world when it comes to spiritual matters.
 
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I just go back to my original statements.

The vaccine is not the mark.

If you are a born again believer, bought by the blood of Christ, you're under new management and already sealed unto the day of redemption.

Don't let a bunch of abstracts become your reality, which can easily happen with autistic people, even though they and probably you can reason well. Look to the assurance scriptures rather than the condemnation scriptures. Read Ephesians 1 and 2. Believe Romans 8:1. Read 2 Thessalonians 2 and 1 Thessalonians 4. And remember you " must be born again" period. Consider that too much knowledge without wisdom is detrimental and from where comes our wisdom but from above. If anyone wants wisdom ask, James 1:5. Knowledge can come from many places but wisdom helps you to discern and to know that the knowledge you actually receive is from God and not the world when it comes to spiritual matters.
 
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SHOCKING: Dr. Carrie Madej Releases FIRST LOOK at Pfizer Vial Contents – Forbidden Knowledge TV

this is a video showing some of the items i'd mentioned that the vaxx from both test & jab have - remember, the jab vaxx is a weaker version of the test vaxx...i do have more video's saying that the test alone is dangerous, but since they're hiding the truth, they don't say much else...i'm mainly just posting this as a warning, more than anything...so, even thou it relates 2 me, just take the info as it's written, cuz people need 2 know that this is not a vaxx - it's a gene therapy...
 
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so then, ur saying that even if the test was the mark, i could still b saved - cuz 1st, i wasn't gonna take the test or vaxx cuz i didn't c y a healthy person should have 2 do either if not sick (i'm unable 2 recognize warnng signs, so this was just an opinion), then the day i got the inner bleed, not only did i pray 4 protection from satan, but i asked god 2 relieve my symptoms -which he did until a more dangerous symptom hit...so, it wasn't like i rushed 2 the hospital 4 a test, i relunctely had it 4 hospital admittance - that's all...i wasn't informed that the test would inject me w' the vaxx & i wouldn't have known that something bad would happen anyway, cuz i can't read body language or facial expressions & sometimes even tones...i listed what's really in the vaxx above & & based on that info - i now have 5yrs @ most 2 live due 2 the damage in my body...plus, w' that dna change, i'm no longer in the image of god, & as stated above, once u take the mark, the door 4 repentance has closed...i'd b perfecly willing 2 die in 5 yrs, but not 2 lose my salvation as well...the only way i can be saved now is if god has mercy on me...
The only way you can ever be saved, is if God has mercy on you. It has nothing to do with the vaccine.
 
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Hi, everyone.
I just created an account here, and this was the first thread that appeared. Interesting topic.

I'm currently living in Germany, but I am from California. I just wanted to say hello to some fellow believers who may be on the spectrum.
 
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i'll try 2 make this short ---i'm an adult christian believer w' asperger's (possibly more) that is unable 2 recognize god's voice, presence, answers, signs or even warning signs in general (except rarely after the fact...i can only understand the literal parts of the bible & not even all of that (symbolism, codes, #'s, imagary, etc is 2 difficult 4 me)...even thou i know right from wrong, i don't even know when i'm sinning as everything has 2 b written down or listed in full detail & only then am i able 2 choose...i grew up in a house w' parents who not only doesn't believe in god, but wouldn't even let me go 2 church w' a friend, until i was @ lst 13 (& even then they were unwilling) even thou i knew there was a higher power @ 5 or 6...also, they were/r extremely controlling & i was never able 2 make my own choices or speak 4 myself...i also don't have the ability/foresight 2 look into/search future events cuz like a recovering alcholic, i can only take things 1 day @ a time or my sensory system becomes overwhelmed & it can take a few days 2 fully recover...i'malso unable 2 read body language as well as in between the lines...anyway, as a result, i unknowingly/innocently/was tricked into taking the mob (the rt pcr dna test --- transhumanism = chimera, cyborg, artificial intelligence --- which changes ur dna, plus it has all the ingrediants of the mark: buy/sell, name of man/# of man/ image of beast...initially, u'r the beast & the temple is inside u, so that's how u worship the beast...i know i said this is from the test, but the vax r the mark 2 as they do the same thing, except the test does every thing @ once & yes, the test can vaccinate u & it does implant chips in u as well...it is also a gene experiment - a depopulation tool...the vax used in the pcr test is not the same as the typical vax since i had the test done in 2019 & the vaxs weren't out, but they r a form of the vax (or should i say medicine since the kits were purposly labeled as such)...i never was gonna get the test or vax, but only cuz i didn't c y a hlthy person should b tested just 2 c if u had it, w'out having it (covid) & going in 2 b tested...initially, i had 2 go 2 the er 4 what turned out 2 b an inner bleed (gastritis) in which i lost 3 units of blood in 2 hrs after admission (plus 1 more the next day)...the test was a requirement 4 admission & i felt no warning signs or anything...anyway, i finally looked up 2 get info abt the test once i was discharged as a result of what i felt & that's when i learned what it was...i know u may not believe these things 2 b the mark so if that's the case, plz answer hypothetically, otherwise do so normally...now, this is my question -- can i still b saved since this was a result of my aspergers & that it was not directly a choice i made, but 1 made 4 me???this shouldn't have happened as i was a true believer (& still am) & i never turned my back on god, or rejected him - i've never blamed him 4 this as well...being an aspie, not only am i more sensitive 2 things (like i felt the chips) & am closer 2 the spirit world (i've seen my dead grandfather, spirit forms/figures - both good & bad & even felt a human flesh & even an angel's touch)...however, i still can't recognize god or understand the bible & i'm scared that cuz i took the mark (in the ways aforementioned), i'm scared i'm going 2 go 2 hell cuz of my autism (mental illness)...so, is there a chance i can still b saved cuz of my disabilitiies???
the vaccine isn't the mark,
the mark is spiritual not something injected or given to you by a doctor.
 
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thnx 4 advice - i've been trying 2 focus on god 4 the 2yrs since this happened (i've repented every day once i learned what the test & vax was, but as new info comes out, it scares me & brings me back 2 the negatative zone...so, i just want 2 b sure i understood u correctly, so if i sound repetative, plz 4give me - in know it may sound like a record or something, but it's how i process/understand stuff...so, u'r saying that cuz i wasn't aware/unable 2 recognize any warning sign whatsoever b4 takng it (as a result of my autism), & w' the fact that there wasn't any issues between god & i b4hand (except 4 the fact that i was trying 2 figure out how 2 have a better relationship w' him & that i hadn't done it yet, cuz i've had problems w'any relationship in the past - even w' my parents & i was in the process of asking advice from some christians i know, but i didn't have the time)???cuz if i had the ability 2 know, i would have refused it even thoughthe dr's said i could have died w' out the care...i know people w' asperger's r said 2 think logically, but that's not true in my case -- almost everything is the opposite...however, as u know, even thou there r many different bible versions (which i believe 2 have been altered from the original languages -greek & hebrew) they all agree 2 the fact that u will feel god's wrath & go 2 hell (i can't remember the verse)...i don't remember seeing anything abt anyone who can b saved if the take it...some say u will know it & take it (@lst along those lines), but when i've done searches that r related 2 my case, they say u can't accidently, unknowingly, innocently, b tricked into taking it...so, initially, there hasn't been much of anything 2 give me hope, esp w' so many interpretations...i also looked2 c if people w' certain disabilities -those that like me can't understand the bible as only literal parts r understood, who doesn't know when they're sinning cuz they need 2 have them listed down/written & defined, or that they just can't know rite from wrong...what bugs me is the fact that cause i can't understand the bible, that i'm not a true believer - a born again christian...i know i am cuz even thou i grew up in an atheistic/new agers (i don't know what the term is -both my parents attended church as kids, but then were/r still strongly against it), i somehow knew @ 5 or 6 yrs old that there was a higher power of sorts...i know that that doesn't soundlike much, but there were no bibles, let alone any talk of religion from any of my family that believes...sorry 4 going of track - an aspie trait...anyway, i wasn't even wanting 2 take the test or vax in the 1st place, so it was definately a result of my autism...there is one thing i didn't mention abt worshipping the beast - once u have the mark in u, u will worship it once the 5g is on...the mark is 1st supposed 2 kill ur god gene, which didn't happen 2 me as i've been praying @ lst once daily (4 repentance) & sometimes more...also, there's the dna change which literally changes u god given dna 2 that of a nephileum/fallen angel (transhumanism = chimera, cyborg, artificial intelligence)...as u know, jesus didn't die 2 save that of beasts/fallen angels, he died 4 humans...also, since the mark basically tracks u, changes ur mood, etc, there is also an execution switch which can be used @ any time, but from what i understand, it's main purpose is 2 kill those who don't worship the beast once it's turned on...as 4 the book of life, how do u know if ur name's in it & if so, can it be blotted out if u take the mark - most sites says it can...anyway, despite all ths, do u really think there's hope???
You’re good my friend, Jesus loves you. The vax isn’t the mark, but you are definitely very awake to the evil agenda of the Antichrist which has been taking shape since the scamdemic(pandemic)! Turn your cell phone off before 2:20 pm eastern standard time today October 4th, because of the nationwide emergency test that is going off here in America today. Russia citizens had to participate in a full blown nuclear fall out emergency bunker drill yesterday. So something massive is definitely in the works and it’s only a matter of time. A lot of people believe that there are nano particles in the vax, and once they begin admitting the very high 5g frequency signals it’s going to kill lots of people around the world. And many fear that is what this “emergency” test today may be. I didn’t take the vax, I could see thru the scamdemic from the very beginning, but my mom did, she only got one, and none of the boosters thank God. I told her to cut her phone off today just in case. Fear not though, the Good Lord is with you.
 
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