From the "this is why some people gravitate to the far-right" files...

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Work Sucks, Especially When People Get Your Pronouns Wrong

When these types of attitudes and senses of entitlement are presented as "mainstream progressivism", it's not surprising why some people are driven into the welcoming arms of right-wing populists.

When someone refers to someone who wants to be referred to as they/them as she/her (but they clearly look like a woman) and that's viewed as "straight, cis men, carrying implicit power", or telling sob stories about how "At an office holiday party, people kept referring to me with “she/her” pronouns, and by the end of the game I was nearly in tears at what was supposed to be a relaxing, fun work outing. I told them I wanted to sit out because I was being misgendered"

Or the premise that if a person is gender-fluid, it's the responsibility of everyone else who works with them to check their co-worker's social media pages every morning to see what the "pronoun of the day" is so that they don't feel "invalidated" (otherwise you're just a backwards bigot)

It's no wonder how so many people (who would otherwise be pretty moderate) are driven into the far-right.

You will get mega-censored/banned for posting these opinions on the internet.

This is mostly accurate, as a independent-minded conservative, I find myself more and more far-right everyday.
 
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Yeah, that sounds exhausting for all involved, but I'm not going to go join Richard Spencer's Spencerettes over it or anything. Probably just avoid the person who thinks the world revolves around them and how they feel about their genitals on any given day, since that is none of my business and nothing I want to know about anyway.

There's a big difference between "joining Richard Spencer" (who'd be considered alt-right), and deciding to back someone like Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis (who'd be considered far-right).

Most people are going to look at a Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes and still be disgusted by them and not want anything to do with them. However, if person sees far-right politicians like Cruz or Greg Abbott or DeSantis as being the ones who will stand up the most to the kid with the blue hair who tried to get them in trouble at work for "misgendering", or in a more general sense, the crew who gaslights by praising the decision to change the superman slogan to remove the "American way" part because it's "problematic"...I can totally see that happening.
 
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Strange that every single security organization in the US with nationalized data access disagrees with your take.

To be fair, whatever political entity holds the power, has the privilege of appointing people who share their vision on "what the biggest threat to America is".

If you were to hit the rewind button by a couple decades to the Nixon Administration, "top intelligence agencies" were labeling Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and Anti-war Democrats as "the top threat to our way of life".

The reality is, there's really no measurable metric by which "The Proud Boys" are any greater threat than any other rag tag group of people who wear matching costumes and claim to be "fighters for their cause"...other than the fact that the current party that's in power finds their message more objectionable than that of other groups who are willing to stoop to the same measures, but happen to have a political message that more closely aligns with their own.
 
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To be fair, whatever political entity holds the power, has the privilege of appointing people who share their vision on "what the biggest threat to America is".
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yes but this was said while trump was on power....
If you were to hit the rewind button by a couple decades to the Nixon Administration, "top intelligence agencies" were labeling Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and Anti-war Democrats as "the top threat to our way of life".

The reality is, there's really no measurable metric by which "The Proud Boys" are any greater threat than any other rag tag group of people who wear matching costumes and claim to be "fighters for their cause"...other than the fact that the current party that's in power finds their message more objectionable than that of other groups who are willing to stoop to the same measures, but happen to have a political message that more closely aligns with their own.
Well other than right wing groups are perpetuating more violence that their right wing counter parts.

There was a time when left wing violence was the concern. But now is no longer that time.
 
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Not sure that "far right" is the best way to describe it though.

If someone has left-wing beliefs and runs into the crazy left and goes the other way, that person has changed his or her mind about one to a few things. The rest of those old beliefs come along for the ride. So I wouldn't say it's the far right that the person ends up at, but instead you get a weird kind of moderate, who is angrier than before.

They may not even share the views of the far-right, it ends up being more of a "spite vote". I personally know people who are pro gay marriage, pro pot legalization, pro-choice...but ended up voting for Trump anyway, for nothing more than the fact that they were bitter and didn't want a bunch of 23 year old philosophy and gender studies majors telling them what they can and can't do.
 
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There's a big difference between "joining Richard Spencer" (who'd be considered alt-right), and deciding to back someone like Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis (who'd be considered far-right).
You've just illustrated the point we were trying to show you. Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis are hardly "far-right!" :doh:

Most people are going to look at a Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes and still be disgusted by them and not want anything to do with them.
Well, most people do find those who are on the far-right to be unappealing, that's correct.

But that observation doesn't prove anything about everyone else on the political spectrum. The term (" far-right'') in that case, is just a term of derision rather than an accurate description.
 
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is Ben Shapiro part of the far right?

No...I wouldn't say he is.

He's said that while he personally disagrees with gay marriage, it's not the government's place to stop it. He's taken a more accepting position on marijuana usage. He's willing to engage with and have respectful conversations with people on the left. He's pro-vaccine. He doesn't fit the mold of a far-right person.

He's basically center-right.
 
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Well other than right wing groups are perpetuating more violence that their right wing counter parts.

There was a time when left wing violence was the concern. But now is no longer that time.

Well, it's still a concern, it's just that people dismiss it on the grounds that "it's not really a group, it's an idea/movement"

I'd argue that Antifa/BLM have caused just as much property damage, assault, physical intimidation, etc... as the proud boys (if not more).
 
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They may not even share the views of the far-right, it ends up being more of a "spite vote". I personally know people who are pro gay marriage, pro pot legalization, pro-choice...but ended up voting for Trump anyway, for nothing more than the fact that they were bitter and didn't want a bunch of 23 year old philosophy and gender studies majors telling them what they can and can't do.

American politics, American life in general seems so frivilous.

All this attention to silly meaningless things. Football.
Gender identity. Whatever it is.

Meanwhile there are so many hundreds of millions of smart
focused and hungry people so ready to take it all away.
We' re just over the horizon there, to the west.
 
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No...I wouldn't say he is.
He's said that while he personally disagrees with gay marriage, it's not the government's place to stop it. He's taken a more accepting position on marijuana usage. He's willing to engage with and have respectful conversations with people on the left. He's pro-vaccine. He doesn't fit the mold of a far-right person.
He's basically center-right.
someone like Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis (who'd be considered far-right).

Let's review.

You think that Richard Spencer is not actually far-right, but Senator Cruz and the governors of Texas and Florida ARE.
:dead:

You just keep proving that the term is used mainly as an insult, not as a meaningful description of any political faction.
 
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Well, it's still a concern, it's just that people dismiss it on the grounds that "it's not really a group, it's an idea/movement"

I'd argue that Antifa/BLM have caused just as much property damage, assault, physical intimidation, etc... as the proud boys (if not more).

Yeah. About a Billion dollars' worth more, based on the destruction done by Antifa & BLM during the riots of 2020.
 
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Where are the 'men' with a cervix and a uterus?
I agree with your sentiment, as a matter of commonly understood terminology. Even so, I can't pretend to know what a transgender is dealing with, so I wouldn't characterize being transgender as the refusal to accept the meaning of male/female.
 
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I agree with your sentiment, as a matter of commonly understood terminology. Even so, I can't pretend to know what a transgender is dealing with, so I wouldn't characterize being transgender as the refusal to accept the meaning of male/female.
What I expressed was not a feeling, nor opinion and we do know what the gender confused are experiencing. A refusal to accept the reality. They are encouraged to do so by those who place emotion above truth.

Romans, 1:32

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
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What I expressed was not a feeling, nor opinion and we do know what the gender confused are experiencing. A refusal to accept the reality. They are encouraged to do so by those who place emotion above truth.

Romans, 1:32

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Respectfully, your words expressed a sentiment (a point of view), and I agreed with you regarding the common understanding of terms denoting gender. However I have a hard time believing you know what the transgender are experiencing. Have you ever had a sincere desire to be a transgender? Have you ever denied the reality of your gender? Because I know I never have.

The scripture you posted is speaking to all of mankind, which is why in the next verse Paul says this, "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things".
 
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There's a big difference between "joining Richard Spencer" (who'd be considered alt-right), and deciding to back someone like Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis (who'd be considered far-right).

Most people are going to look at a Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes and still be disgusted by them and not want anything to do with them. However, if person sees far-right politicians like Cruz or Greg Abbott or DeSantis as being the ones who will stand up the most to the kid with the blue hair who tried to get them in trouble at work for "misgendering", or in a more general sense, the crew who gaslights by praising the decision to change the superman slogan to remove the "American way" part because it's "problematic"...I can totally see that happening.

I don't care about your or anyone's dissections of who's what type of right-wing based on their reactions to these irritating, overblown culture war issues. I'm tired of this all being offered as the substance of American life and agree completely with our friend Estrid's good post. That's all I'll say to this, so as to hopefully avoid hurting anyone's tribal political feelings.
 
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I'm pretty much a "touch left of center moderate" and I see through the insanity and have no desire to support right-wing populist candidates.

According to the far left types that I know being only a touch left of center means that you are, and incidentally I am, almost as bad - being enablers of the right-wing populists by not supporting their end of their authoritarian political spectrum.

They call it the Fishhook Theory
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And it's bonkers.

Needless to say politics is a subject I try to avoid around them...
 
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