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The graph shows the worldwide human population growth over the last 12,000 years. It took from pre-historic times to 1800 to reach nearly 1 billion. But in the last 200+ years, due to our technology and ability to manipulate the environment, our species has grown to about 8 billion. Homo sapiens is by far the most populous and prolific large mammal species on earth.

Beyond any doubt, we’ve obeyed God’s command to multiply. But we've tended the garden mostly for ourselves.


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"Ourselves" being mostly the boomers.
 
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The graph shows the worldwide human population growth over the last 12,000 years. It took from pre-historic times to 1800 to reach nearly 1 billion. But in the last 200+ years, due to our technology and ability to manipulate the environment, our species has grown to about 8 billion. Homo sapiens is by far the most populous and prolific large mammal species on earth.

Beyond any doubt, we’ve obeyed God’s command to multiply. But we've tended the garden mostly for ourselves.


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Part of the problem is those that think of people as animals. If we think of people as created by God on a planet created by God and Who will supply if we ask Him, we become important.
 
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I agree that there's no need to kill people.

I do think that the old and sick should have a right to medically assisted suicide, though.
So where do you draw the line? Some people might think releasing a bio weapon to cull the population is fine. Others think killing tens of millions of babies a year is wonderful. Etc. If you recommend suicide for some, and helping them do it, is that not playing god?
 
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I believe Satan hates mankind and wants to kill them after they are born as well as before and any other way he can get away with if allowed. His children are of the same mind.

So that is a yes then.
 
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So where do you draw the line? Some people might think releasing a bio weapon to cull the population is fine. Others think killing tens of millions of babies a year is wonderful. Etc. If you recommend suicide for some, and helping them do it, is that not playing god?
I'm not recommending suicide to anyone. Just advocating for people to be able to make that choice for themselves, without any outside pressure one way or the other.
 
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So what? They should be taught that sex is part of a marriage and that babies are from God.
You speak as if children are the ultimate curse. Sometimes people learn stuff even after they have kids!
Yet killing babies is front and centre on the agenda of those who want population control.

No? I disagree. Sometimes blessings come disguised as hard work.

You clearly want to color the discussion one way and are not even interested in defining your definitions to make them understandable or even consider other options.

You do not seem to be an honest interocular.
 
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Part of the problem is those that think of people as animals. If we think of people as created by God on a planet created by God and Who will supply if we ask Him, we become important.

Doesn't God expect us to be good stewards of our planet? Do you think God is pleased when our greed, covetousness, and self-indulgence results in environmental pollution and the extinction of God's other creations?
 
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I'm not recommending suicide to anyone. Just advocating for people to be able to make that choice for themselves, without any outside pressure one way or the other.
So they would be committing suicide, no? You would be aiding and abetting, no?
 
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Wow. Nice that some people just come out and say it. We actually live on a planet created by God who has infinite resources and can make other planets in a moment if needed.

My worldview comes from a heart of compassion. If we do not do something about overpopulation we're going to bring about a whole lot of suffering and death regardless. Personally I think it is better for some to never be born rather than endure a life of poverty, misery and indignity.

Don't worry though, I doubt we'll do anything about the problem. Too many sacred cows from both the left and the right of the political spectrum. Also just the main biological desire we have to breed.
 
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So they would be committing suicide, no? You would be aiding and abetting, no?
I don't know what you mean with "aiding and abetting" in this case.
 
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You clearly want to color the discussion one way and are not even interested in defining your definitions to make them understandable or even consider other options.

You do not seem to be an honest interocular.
Your inability to see the colour of a discussion does not mean someone coloured it.
 
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I don't know what you mean with "aiding and abetting" in this case.
Well, if an old lady was in a bed and didn't have the courage to kill herself, or was too weak or some such, and someone walks in and shoots her, is that not helping her commit suicide?
 
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Doesn't God expect us to be good stewards of our planet? Do you think God is pleased when our greed, covetousness, and self-indulgence results in environmental pollution and the extinction of God's other creations?
He knows we are all sinners. Man cannot and will not save himself or the planet, period. It is wonderful to try and not litter, and etc etc. That will not save us.
 
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Well, if an old lady was in a bed and didn't have the courage to kill herself, or was too weak or some such, and someone walks in and shoots her, is that not helping her commit suicide?
If she didn't have the courage (whatever that means), killing her would be murder. If she didn't have the mental capacity to decide on suicide, the same.

You don't actually need a lot of strength to commit suicide. There are currently "suicide machines" were one only has to press a button to have the deadly drug injected.
 
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Murder seems to concern that which is already alive. When people fight God's gifts of children before they are conceived, there is probably another word for that.

So you are against contraception or "safe sex" then.

Sorry, you're not winning me over here, you need to be more honest with your position. It seems you want everyone to be happy for every baby that comes along and not to stop them from coming.

Given the number of people on the planet and our trouble feeding and caring for them all, this does not seem like a good plan.
 
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My worldview comes from a heart of compassion.
So let me get this straight. The baby sacrifice is OK as long as it is done for a good cause?

If we do not do something about overpopulation we're going to bring about a whole lot of suffering and death regardless. Personally I think it is better for some to never be born rather than endure a life of poverty, misery and indignity.
Too bad what you think. If God sends babies then obviously He must think something else. If you were a farmer and had a sheep pen that could no longer hold the sheep, what would you do? Probably get a bigger pen, no? The pen of planet earth was created in a day by God. If it gets too full, how would that be any problem at all for Him? Man just wants to play god.

Don't worry though, I doubt we'll do anything about the problem. Too many sacred cows from both the left and the right of the political spectrum. Also just the main biological desire we have to breed.
God commanded man and animals to multiply. Some people use 'breed' as a bad word.
 
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