Can An Evangelical Sunday Worshiper Actually Become a Seven Day Adventist: Its More Than Just The D

LoveGodsWord · Oct 20, 2021

klutedavid said:
Not a strawman.

Absolutely it was. Where did I ever say that we cannot worship God every day of the week? I didn't. Then you tried to build an argument around something no one was arguing about. Sounds like a strawman argument to me.

klutedavid said:
I can assure you that I have never been under the ceremonial law. Because I was never under the ceremonial law, this means, I was never under the law. Do you understand this LGW. You have to be under the law to obey the ten commandments and I have never been under the law.

Well yes I do understand what this means. God's 10 commandments however are not ceremonial laws they are moral laws of our duty of love to both God and our fellow man. According to the scriptures in Romans 3:19-20 no one is "under the law" unless they stand guilty before God of breaking the law. Sin is the transgression of the law and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23 and without the law and Gods Word there is no knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20: Romans 7:7 and according to James if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Gods' 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 of course is one of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. Sunday worship as posted earlier is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break Gods' 4th commandment (see Matthew 15:2-9). Sin, as defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following what God's Word says is the problem here. I think this is the point your missing here with this discussion be honest David while seeking to make arguments no one is arguing about.

Take Care.

pasifika · Oct 20, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
We show our faith by believing and following what Gods' Word says. No one has faith in Gods' Word by not believing and not following what Gods' Word says. This is called unbelief and sin. James calls this the faith of devils and the devils will not be saved according to the scriptures *James 2:17-26

Take Care.

Since God never spoke to the whole world to follow the 10commandments but only those that came out of Egypt..

God spoke to all people to believe in His Son..for the remission of sin, and salvation..

Yes the devil believe and tremble...so if you believe in the one God..then love your neighbor! Don't judge..

LoveGodsWord · Oct 20, 2021

pasifika said:
Since God never spoke to the whole world to follow the 10commandments but only those that came out of Egypt..

God spoke to all people to believe in His Son..for the remission of sin, and salvation..

Yes the devil believe and tremble...so if you believe in the one God..then love your neighbor! Don't judge..

Gods' Word is for Gods' people who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. According to the scriptures we are to judge righteous judgement. None of us are righteous and I do not judge any man. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48 and it is only God's Word that I share with you here which is the standard of all righteousness. Now what is it here from the scriptures that you do not believe and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me?

pasifika · Oct 20, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Gods' Word is for Gods' people who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. According to the scriptures we are to judge righteous judgement. None of us are righteous and I do not judge any man. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48 and it is only God's Word that I share with you here which is the standard of all righteousness. Now what is it here from the scriptures that you do not believe and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me?

pasifika · Oct 20, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Gods' Word is for Gods' people who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. According to the scriptures we are to judge righteous judgement. None of us are righteous and I do not judge any man. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48 and it is only God's Word that I share with you here which is the standard of all righteousness. Now what is it here from the scriptures that you do not believe and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me?

As I have mentioned earlier...God never spoke to the whole world to follow the 10 commandments only those that came out from Egypt...

I didn't say I did not believe any scriptures you provide what I'm saying I am not part of those whom God gave the Law to in Sinai...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 20, 2021

pasifika said:
As I have mentioned earlier...God never spoke to the whole world to follow the 10 commandments only those that came out from Egypt...I didn't say I did not believe any scriptures you provide what I'm saying I am not part of those whom God gave the Law to in Sinai...

What do you think is the meaning of post # 223 linked which already addresses what you said here? In the new covenant God is speaking to the whole world and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living (scriptures here) and God's righteousness *Psalms 119:172. There is no salvation outside of God's Word dear friend as faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) because it is through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and it is God's law that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25; Romana 8:1-4. Faith however does not abolish Gods' law like some teach as faith is how God's law is established in the life of those who believe and follow what Gods law says *see Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 5:2-3; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9. Do you know what the new covenant is dear friend?

SabbathBlessings · Oct 20, 2021

bbbbbbb said:
I only know based on your multiple posts here at CF. If you are a member of the SDA which you profess to be and you adhere to both the doctrines and practices of the SDA I can say with absolute certainty that you do not obey anything close to all of God's commandments in the Bible.

If, however you do not adhere to the doctrines and practices of the SDA, please correct me.

Jesus will be our righteous judge 2 Cor 5:10

pasifika · Oct 20, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
What do you think is the meaning of post # 223 linked which already addresses what you said here? In the new covenant God is speaking to the whole world and everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living (scriptures here) and God's righteousness *Psalms 119:172. There is no salvation outside of God's Word dear friend as faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17. God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) because it is through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and it is God's law that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25; Romana 8:1-4. Faith however does not abolish Gods' law like some teach as faith is how God's law is established in the life of those who believe and follow what Gods law says *see Romans 3:31; Romans 8:4; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 5:2-3; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9. Do you know what the new covenant is dear friend?

There is a difference in the law (Sinai) and the Gospel of Jesus in regards in obtaining God's Righteousness...

You either obtain Righteousness by Law (works of the law ) Or by Believing the Gospel...

So I can see you still mix the two up (Law & Gospel) or (works and Faith)..

Thanks

Danthemailman · Oct 20, 2021

pasifika said:
There is a difference in the law (Sinai) and the Gospel of Jesus in regards in obtaining God's Righteousness...

You either obtain Righteousness by Law (works of the law ) Or by Believing the Gospel...

So I can see you still mix the two up (Law & Gospel) or (works and Faith)..

Thanks

You hit the nail on the head! - “Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.”

pasifika · Oct 20, 2021

Danthemailman said:
You hit the nail on the head! - “Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.”

Hello Dan, Yes you're right we can either save by works (works of law) or by Grace through Faith (works of God through Faith)...

The two (Law & Gospel (in which Grace comes) have different requirements in regards to Righteousness...

Some people will quote the book of James...I hope they will look at it in great details..

LoveGodsWord · Oct 20, 2021

pasifika said:
There is a difference in the law (Sinai) and the Gospel of Jesus in regards in obtaining God's Righteousness...

You either obtain Righteousness by Law (works of the law ) Or by Believing the Gospel...

So I can see you still mix the two up (Law & Gospel) or (works and Faith)..

Thanks

According to the scriptures the "Gospel" is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God not some of it like some people are teaching *Matthew 4:4 and it is every Word of God we are to live by according to Gods' Word. No one said to you anywhere that we obtain Gods' righteousness from keeping the law so why pretend that they have?

According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins.

According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10.

According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4.

It seems you a mixed up between the roles of law and Grace in the new covenant. The purpose of God's law in the new covenant according to the scriptures is to give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. It shows us that we are all sinners and stand guilty before God of sin, condemnation and death. It is Gods' law that leads us to see who we really are and leads us Christ that we might be forgiven through faith to receive Gods gift of forgiveness and grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Faith however does not abolish Gods' law like some teach here but establishes Gods law in the life of those who have been born again into Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27; links to 1 John 3:6-9; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 5:2-4; Romans 13:8-10 to believe and follow what God's Word says *John 3:36; James 2:16-27. Now what is it that you disagree with here dear friend and if I tell you the truth why do you not believe me?

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 20, 2021

Danthemailman said:
You hit the nail on the head! - “Salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works.”

This statement has no truth in it and does not make any sense as the scriptures teach if our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to Gods' Word then it is not genuine saving faith but the faith of devils according to James in James 2:17-26. According to the scriptures, those who are born again do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 and sin is defined as breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 and not believing and following what Gods' Word says *Romans 14:23 and is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil (see 1 John 3:9-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14 and 1 John 5:2-3). So to say we can believe in God without doing what God's Word says is not biblical according to James 2:17-26 and the rest of the scriptures provided here that disagree with your post here.

Hope this is helpful Dan.

pasifika · Oct 20, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
According to the scriptures the Gospel is every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God not some of it like some people are teaching *Matthew 4:4 and it is every Word of God we are to live by according to Gods' Word. No one said to you anywhere that we obtain Gods' righteousness from keeping the law so why pretend that they have? According to the scriptures, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. Obedience to God's law is not how we are saved because all of us have already broken the law and are under it's penalty of condemnation and death *Romans 3:9-23; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11. So it is by God's grace through faith that we are saved through Gods forgiveness of our sins. According to the scriptures, obedience to Gods' law therefore is the fruit of genuine faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. Therefore says Jesus you shall know them (who is from God and who is not) by their fruit. *Matthew 7:16-20; John 15:1-6; 1 John 2:3-4. It seems you a mixed up between the roles of law and Grace in the new covenant. The purpose of God's law in the new covenant according to the scriptures is to give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. It shows us that we are all sinners and stand guilty before God of sin, condemnation and death. It is Gods' law that leads us to see who we really are and leads us Christ that we might be forgiven through faith to receive Gods gift of forgiveness and grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). Faith however does not abolish Gods' law like some teach here but establishes Gods law in the life of those who have been born again into Gods' new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27 to believe and follow what God's Word says.

Take Care.

God's Righteousness is shown by the Law (Sinai) in written form (written code)..

Also, God's Righteousness is manifested in human form (form of Jesus Christ)..."Righteous One"...

We, as sinners must obtain Righteousness for eternal life...

So, the Law (written form) & Gospel ("Good news" from Prophets and Apostles) both testify of God's Righteousness...But only One way we can obtain that Righteousness is through believe in the Gospel of Jesus NOT follow the Law (Sinai)

As I've said they (Law & Gospel) have different Righteous requirements in order to receive God's Righteousness...

If you follow the Law (works of the Law) for Righteousness then you fall away from Christ...

(1)Law (requires own works for Righteousness)
(2)Gospel (Believe in Jesus Christ for Righteousness or Faith)

The law(Sinai) is Not about the Gospel...

So some people mixed up the two...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 20, 2021

pasifika said:
God's Righteousness is shown by the Law (Sinai) in written form (written code)..

Also, God's Righteousness is manifested in human form (form of Jesus Christ)..."Righteous One"...

We, as sinners must obtain Righteousness for eternal life...

So, the Law (written form) & Gospel ("Good news" from Prophets and Apostles) both testify of God's Righteousness...But only One way we can obtain that Righteousness is through believe in the Gospel of Jesus NOT follow the Law (Sinai)

As I've said they (Law & Gospel) have different Righteous requirements in order to receive God's Righteousness...

If you follow the Law (works of the Law) for Righteousness then you fall away from Christ...

(1)Law (requires own works for Righteousness)
(2)Gospel (Believe in Jesus Christ for Righteousness or Faith)

The law(Sinai) is Not about the Gospel...

So some people mixed up the two...

Hello pacifica, may I ask did you read the post you are quoting from? No one has said to you anywhere that we get our righteousness from keeping the law so why pretend that they have and make arguments no one is talking about? Your repeating yourself in this post which is not responsive to the post you are quoting from. Sorry dear friend, but I do not believe Gods' Word teaches lawlessness (without law) because it is through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11 and according to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we choose to depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin after we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word all that remains is a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Take Care.

pasifika · Oct 21, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello pacifica, may I ask did you read the post you are quoting from? No one has said to you anywhere that we get our righteousness from keeping the law so why pretend that they have and make arguments no one is talking about? Your repeating yourself in this post which is not responsive to the post you are quoting from. Sorry dear friend, but I do not believe Gods' Word teaches lawlessness (without law) because it is through the law that we have a knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11 and according to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we choose to depart the faith and continue in a life of known unrepentant sin after we have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word all that remains is a fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Take Care.

Hello LGW,

The law (Sinai) illustrated or testify God's Righteousness or His character And so does the Gospel of Jesus Christ...Romans 3

So, when you talk about the Law (10) you actually talking about "Gods Righteousness"

that Righteousness is achieve by our own works or desired or own strength through following the Law (written form) "perfectly"...
God has No input in achieving Righteousness for us in this way...

As it state in Gal 5:4..."You who are trying to be justified by the Law have been alienated from Christ, You have fallen away from Grace."

And the other way to receive God's Righteousness is " Believing in the Gospel" of the "Righteous One" or Faith...this is achieve by God's power, strength, Will etc and man has No input in achieving this But only God...

As it say " I (God) will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts..and I will be their God and they will be my people"...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 22, 2021

pasifika said:
Hello LGW,

The law (Sinai) illustrated or testify God's Righteousness or His character And so does the Gospel of Jesus Christ...Romans 3

So, when you talk about the Law (10) you actually talking about "Gods Righteousness"

that Righteousness is achieve by our own works or desired or own strength through following the Law (written form) "perfectly"...
God has No input in achieving Righteousness for us in this way...

As it state in Gal 5:4..."You who are trying to be justified by the Law have been alienated from Christ, You have fallen away from Grace."

And the other way to receive God's Righteousness is " Believing in the Gospel" of the "Righteous One" or Faith...this is achieve by God's power, strength, Will etc and man has No input in achieving this But only God...

As it say " I (God) will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts..and I will be their God and they will be my people"...

Non responsive to the post you are quoting from. What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying? Please stop making things up no one believes or is talking about. It is not being honest (Please see post # 231 linked and post # 234 linked).

pasifika · Oct 22, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Non responsive to the post you are quoting from. What do you think the post you are quoting from is saying? Please stop making things up no one believes or is talking about. It is not being honest (Please see post # 231 linked and post # 234 linked).

Hello LGW,
What i can read from the two post you put up is the same mistake people do in using Faith based Scriptures to make like is talking about the Law (10 commandments)...

LoveGodsWord · Oct 22, 2021

pasifika said:
Hello LGW,
What i can read from the two post you put up is the same mistake people do in using Faith based Scriptures to make like is talking about the Law (10 commandments)...

Theses are simply your words. Not God's Word. Please see the scriptures posted in post # 231 linked and post # 234 linked that disagree with your teachings. If you disagree with what is written there your welcome to show why you disagree from the scriptures if you want to. So far all you have said is you disagree without showing why you disagree with what has been shared with you from the scriptures in the linked posts. For me only God's Word is true (see Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29) and you have not provided any scriptures in support what your claiming here while ignoring the scriptures in the posts shared with you. You are also making arguments in your posts that no one is arguing about or believe as already stated in the linked posts above. So of course we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.

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