How long before gas goes to 4-5 a gallon?

Hi @hislegacy

hislegacy said:

BTW. I hold a Masters from ORU.

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While I applaud you for your educational achievement, if your cry of poverty in your previous post is true, then it doesn't seem to have done you much good. If your cry of poverty is merely your way of bringing attention to yourself, even though you don't personally suffer as you claim, then shame on you.

A master's degree would generally bring one at least a comfortable income, if the person is working in the field of their degree. However, feeling comfortable with one's income, is a personal matter. I'm always amazed at the millionaire/billionaires of this life and wonder when they would think that they have enough. Me, I live on an income of $45k and I've got plenty! Of course my home is paid for and that's the best financial safety net that I think anyone can have. My total living costs is a $900 tax bill and a $900 insurance bill and necessary utilities and once in a while repairs. That all comes out to somewhere near $500/month for my 'necessary living expenses. So, my after tax income/month for whatever I want to do, is about $2,500/month.

But I'm perfectly satisfied with all of that. I don't 'feel' rich and I don't 'feel' poor. God has provided for my every need and the rest is just the cherry on top...that He also provides.

God bless,
Ted

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mama2one said:

how did you spend $52 to fill your vehicle
you must have a big vehicle with a big tank?

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Hi @mama2one

At $3/gal it only takes 17gal. to ring up a $52 gas bill. My Chrysler T&C has a 22 gal. tank. It now costs about $75 to fill it up from empty. On the other hand, my Lincoln hybrid only has a 14gal. tank (I think) and I can fill it up from empty for about $40 and get more mileage/tank. But to be honest, most midsized vehicles that aren't set up to be particularly fuel efficient have 20-24gal. tanks. So, I believe, a $52 fill up bill would be about the average.

God bless,
Ted

hislegacy said:

Thank you for whitesplaining that.

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You're welcome. Coming from you that is high praise!

hislegacy said:

BTW. I hold a Masters from ORU.

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So what is in your way? Have you ever heard the phrase "get out of your own way"?

hislegacy said:

can I use your quote when people speak of a min wage of 15?

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As long as I can use your quote when people speak of CRT and systemic racism.

Seriously, though, I cannot fathom how you can complain about paying $52 for gas as though it's such a hardship. You seem long on excuses and short on solutions (or willingness to solve the problems). $3 a gallon gas is cheap; if you're struggling with that how will you ever get through recessions and hard times to come?

Not to mention you are in a state that has everything handed to the people who live there. I pay more in property taxes so that they can literally just hand it over to you and the others in your state. And still you're struggling? I worry for you. What do you propose - more socialism to ease the burden of gas pricing for you and others in your state?

hislegacy said:

I am working in the field of my degree - I am a minister.

Not every minister makes big money.

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I know ministers who work part time jobs when they have to and who are wise with their funds, as taught by Christ in His parable of the talents.

hislegacy said:

Hi MT,

Really? you thought you needed 800 words to retort? I'm sorry, I skimmed it, but just too lazy to read your diatribe.

It is so fascinating to see you and @ArmenianJohn seemingly knee jerk reaction to my comment..

Both seem to imply I am not educated, or I am not good with the funds I have. Let be dispel some of your more glaring points.

1. Education: I hold a Masters Degree from ORU Magna cum Laude. While not the highest, certainly at the top.

2. Work ethic: Any of you cyber sleuths can go back through my many years of posting here and see that I have mentioned that I work more than one job - that back in the beginning of the Obama years I made moves to become debt free. I have been debt free including my home for 10 years now.

All done on middle class income.

At my current stage in life I have authored and published two books, working on the third - I am an adjunct teacher in international Bible Schools and travel in Europe, the Middle East and this year several African nations.

Don't believe me? Ask a mod to tell you my IP address during the week of 10/4-10.

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These are my miles for 2021 -

That does not negate the fact that yesterday it took me 52.00 to fill my car. That is appreciably higher than pre biden.

Any other quips or digs?

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Hi @hislegacy

Ahhh, so your pride was hurt and now you're feeling compelled to tell the truth about your finances. Well, that means that your cry of poverty is pretty hollow. Just a sound bite to grab attention. Got it!

Again, that seems to be the way of many of those who are beholden to the previous administration. Just say what sounds good!!!!! It doesn't have to be true!!!!!

That does not negate the fact that yesterday it took me 52.00 to fill my car. That is appreciably higher than pre biden.

Nope, it sure doesn't. But then, having lived 66 years, I know that it isn't the worst that it's been. Perhaps you'd do better sticking to your field of study and let government do what government does. BTW, I also applaud you for your work in ministry. Now you should practice learning what Paul has tried to teach us about being children of God. We are satisfied in what we have. We are filled to the brim with the blessings of our Father. We don't need to be going out making trouble over worldly issues, but rest in our assurance that God will provide.

Accept that Pres. Biden is a reasonably good leader and is the nation's choice and be satisfied in that. Next election perhaps your party will prevail, although I must honestly say that if your party's nominee winds up to be the 'former guy'...I hope not. I don't ever want to go back to listening to my nation leader making a complete fool of himself with his many false tales and name calling and disgusting morals. I want my nation leader to be a leader. Someone who respects that our nation's governance is a democratic republic and can operate within those confines...with dignity.

BTW, for a guy with a Master's degree, isn't being too lazy to read a bad thing?

God bless,
Ted

hislegacy said:

Thank you for whitesplaining that.

BTW. I hold a Masters from ORU.

can I use your quote when people speak of a min wage of 15?

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I suspect ArmenianJohn deliberately committed a Poe.

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Hi @hislegacy

Well, let's look at what's true.

hislegacy said:

When you live on a budget so you can maintain a debt free life style, you choose wisely where to spend. The difference in gas - 1.11 a gallon = 18.87 a week or 918.24 a year increase in my spending.

For what? What increased value on the dollar do I receive? Let alone the ancillary cost of everything in an ever increasing inflation rate. Then the good people on the Democratic side want to add 3.5 trillion on top of where we are now and they have the unbelievable nerve to get on national television and say the increase will not cost the middle class anything -

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Yes, gas has gone up fairly quickly, but I contend that you're grading it against a time when, because there was so little gas being used during the early days of the pandemic that gas was abnormally low. Remember back in 2009, the mighty mortgage crash and people were being laid off left and right. Remember how low gas went then. I remember buying gas in those days for under $2 also. I actually remember buying gas in those days for less that $1.75. Same cause. Many, many people out of work and not so many people driving or traveling for pleasure or business. Fuel becomes glutted and prices plummet. It's that old, old story of supply and demand.

But since 2004, gas has pretty well held somewhere around the $2.50-$3 range. So, if we use the reasonable 'average' of fuel prices over the last 15 years. Gas prices haven't really increased so dramatically. Now, you really want to talk about how effective governance can be in raising gas prices, do you remember the Iran oil embargo of '82? Gas shot up to just under $3/gal then and that was in 1982 dollars. Because the U.S. held an embargo against Iranian oil exports. That was a government caused rise in gas prices!

As far as increase in value that you bemoan. You get the same increase in value that we've always gotten during inflationary times. I don't understand, a man of your age, not seeing that this is just part of an economic cycle that our nation goes through from time to time. Believe it or not, you can't buy bread for 25 cents a loaf today, like you did in 1962. Heck, you can't even buy a slice of bread for 25 cents. LOL! Do you know 'why' you can't buy bread for 25 cents a loaf today as you could in 1962? Inflation!!! It has always been with us and we have often gone through fairly short periods where prices have jumped dramatically as opposed to just a few pennies over several years. But, a lot of what we're seeing today is a response to the efforts to curtail the pandemic. I mean, let's be real, the world hasn't gone through such a situation as this covid pandemic for over 100 years. It's not something that we're generally equipped to deal with. It's going to cause economic issues!!! So, let's be honest and give some allowance for that.

As a minister, you know that all of this is expected. This is the work of the four horsemen of the Revelation. These are exactly the issues that the Scriptures tell you that the last two horsemen will be causing upon the earth.

I really don't understand why people choose to see the money that is spent in the legislature over the life of our nation as necessarily Democratic or Republican. You stand on your soapbox decrying some $3.5T plan and cry that it's going to be such a great amount added to our debt. Yet, you're perfectly willing to see that the last administration added $9T and that means nothing to your world order of things. Let's be honest here!

The $3.5T bill being proposed is not going to all go straight to our line of debt. The government is still taking in tax revenue. The $3.5T bill is a bill that spans a number of years out. So, how much will be added from year to year to the national debt is a best guess at this point. We may find that the claim turns out to be true that by the time all that money is paid for the infrastructure work that it is for, that we added little to nothing to our national debt. At this point we don't know how much money is going to be spent, from our total tax revenues each year in the coming years.

But you choose to see this issue as some immediate addition to our national debt. Why? You choose to totally ignore that the actual facts show that the last administration added $9T to the national debt. Why? As a man with a Masters degree, you must be reasonably intelligent. Are you, therefore, able to answer these last two questions? Why do you choose to ignore anything 'bad' that may have happened under the last administration, but openly condemn very similar occurrences under the current administration? I'd like you to actually pray about this before you answer, minister. Could it be that your mind is blinded by party affiliation to a worldly political system?

God bless,
Ted

hislegacy said:

Please quote where I said I was in poverty or please remove this.

Got it?

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Well you did say:
"When you have not paid more than 2.20 a gallon in five years, and gas went from 1.89 to 3.00 in nine months - that is expensive."

Are you saying it's too expansive that you can't afford it or you can't afford other necessities because of the price being "too expensive"? If so, you are crying poverty. When you say "too expensive" - what does that mean? Too expensive that you can't afford it or you just don't like it?

If you CAN afford the increase in price, I don't understand why a Christian, a minister nonetheless would have the attitude of complaining about expense which he can afford. When prices go up for me and I can afford to pay for things my response is to be thankful to the Lord that I can afford what He has given me the ability to afford and I am happy to share my excess above that with others who are in need.

That's why I support the socialist system we have whereby my excess goes to help those (like you) who have deep worry and concern over small price increases in gas (which should be expected in life, anyway). I am blessed to live in a productive, prosperous area and with our extra money it is a blessing to be able to afford things and at the same time provide for those who are too poor to afford the same things.

hislegacy said:

Second request

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As I see it you did cry poverty when you said gas is "expensive" for you.

Second explanation

Gas finally made it over $3.00 a gallon where I live in Missouri. $3.09 to be exact. Knew it was coming.

Hi @hislegacy

Well, you first told us:

hislegacy said:

I am working in the field of my degree - I am a minister.

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Then you chose to correct us:

hislegacy said:

Oh, FYI - I am not a pastor. I teach doctrine in international schools as an adjunct

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I choose to use the word 'minister' similarly as it is used in the Scriptures. Minister and pastor are what one might find in a thesaurus as two similar words in meaning and therefore, generally interchangeable. Now, you may have some differing definition for the two words, and if so, then I'm sorry for not addressing you properly. I'll be happy to go back and remove the word 'pastor' that I used, if you will give me the word that you would prefer your career to be addressed as.

God bless,
Ted