Did God gather Israel in 1948? I think not

power1 · Oct 19, 2021

miamited said:
Hi @SuperCow

Yes, but none of those events came to pass. As far as the prophecy that I'm talking about Israel did become a nation in 1948. Had Christ returned in 1844, for which there is truly no way to make the numbers of the prophecy that I'm referring to point to 1844, then maybe today we could agree that the prophecy somehow pointed to that date. But...Jesus didn't return in 1844. Israel did become a nation in 1948 and the prophecy seems to be pretty darned accurate in pointing to that date. So, while I understand that you may have read other explanations of the prophecies, as far as I know, only the return of Israel actually happened about the time that the prophecy does seem to point to.

Right, and just as explained above, we know Christ did not return in 1914 and so the JW's are obviously wrong in their prophetic foretelling. But...Israel did return in 1948 which is where this prophecy that I'm discussing does point to.

Just as Daniel's prophecy of the 70 sevens was obviously not understood by Israel prior to Jesus' visiting us, we can now, after the fact mark out the exact date that Jesus was to visit us based on the prophecy because now Jesus has come. Now, on this side of the equation, we know when Jesus came and so we can go back and reread Daniel's prophecy, for which the angel specifically told Daniel that it foretold the coming Messiah, and see how the years of 69 sevens does work out to exactly when Jesus was with us.

So, sometimes, before events happen, prophecies can be made to explain a lot of things that are going to happen. We see that all the time now in those who propose to tell us all the things that are going to happen in the last days based on the Revelation of Jesus. But trust me, after the days of great tribulation have come, then we will, most of us, be able to sit back and say, "OHHh. That's what was being explained to us." Just as today we can say, "Ohhhh. I see how Daniel's 69 sevens worked out. And we can also now sit on this side of Israel's return, which we know that God has always promised us was going to happen through dozens of other prophetic passages. But now we can sit back and add up all the numbers of the prophecy and say, "Ohhhh. I see now how 1948 was exactly when Israel we supposed to regain its nationhood based on God's word.

I don't know if you've done any reading on the bible codes that seem to be contained in the writings of the law, and it is only in these few writings that the codes appear. But it lists a number of names and dates, that unfortunately we have no clue as to what they're about, until after a certain person or a certain date has come. It's really quite a fascinating study. And while I understand that there are naysayers among us who claim that the phenomenon is just not possible, it is worth considering that one of the main points that the ELS (equidistant letter spacing) claims is that you can't know what words or dates to look for until after some event has passed. Similarly, I claim here that even with biblical prophecy, much of it isn't understood until after an event takes place that was foretold.

As I wrote earlier, despite the angel telling Daniel that the prophecy he was about to receive was explaining 'when' Messiah would come, it seems that very few in Israel understood it, even as it was unfolding right before their eyes. Jesus, in his first teaching read from the scroll of Isaiah the prophecy of what God's servant would be doing. Jesus read it and then said to them, "This prophecy is fulfilled in your hearing." None of those people understood what Jesus was talking about. If they had, they would have immediately understood that Jesus was the Messiah, the servant of God that Isaiah was writing about.

We actually stand today and slap ourselves on the forehead. Questioning with a certain amount of incredulity, "How can they not have known?' An entire legion of angels appeared in the sky over the heads of a group of shepherds when then went into Bethlehem and told the people what they had seen, and yet most of the Jews had no idea 30 years later, that they were murdering God's Messiah. So, I understand that prophecy often can't be understood until after what ever is prophesied comes to pass. But now Israel has been reborn. It happened in 1948. There is a prophecy in the Scriptures which does point us to that date. It obviously wasn't a prophecy foretelling of Jesus' return in 1844 or pointing to the end of the papacy in 1798.

God bless,
Ted

So with all the patching together of dates is there anything in any of the verses themselves that say God brings them back to Israel for that date? Chapter and verse?

miamited · Oct 19, 2021

power1 said:
So with all the patching together of dates is there anything in any of the verses themselves that say God brings them back to Israel for that date? Chapter and verse?

Hi @power1

Of course not. God's prophetic clock doesn't generally work like that. You see, the problem with God's prophecies giving exact dates is that no one would have understood that. What would a Jewish student of Scripture have made of a passage that says, "Such and such will happen on May 14, 1948." Dates weren't understood like that until just the last couple of thousand years. In fact, in the days of both Daniel's and this prophecy, there really wasn't a solid dating system for the days and years. So, just as with Daniel's prophecy, God marks off days and years from some starting point.

Consider that in all of the old covenant books, when we are told when something was happening, it is always in relation to what king was serving at the time. We read today that such and such happened in 484 B.C., but there wasn't really any such concept in 484 B.C. Just as you find today chapter and verse divisions in the Scripture that we have gone in and added to the original Scriptures, the dates in the B.C. era are dates that we today have gone back and given to the years prior to the A.D. era. You see, without the A.D. year one, there is no way to figure when 484 B.C. was. Because A.D. year one, is the mark point to start counting back years in the B.C. era. So, I would just be careful in requiring a 'proof' for some prophecy that would have been impossible for God to have written to His people that they would have understood. God is wiser than you or I could even think to imagine, but the purpose of prophecy in His word, is to prove to His people that He does know the end from the beginning. It's the very reason that God says He gave us prophecy. Remember how God says we are to test His prophets. If what they foretell doesn't come to pass, that prophet does not speak from the one true and living God.

The purpose of prophesy in Scripture is so that throughout the generations, as prophecies were fulfilled, the people would say to themselves, this foretelling must have come from God. For who else knows the end from the beginning that can tell us of things to come that are yet to happen.

There are hundreds of prophecies in the Scripture. The great majority of them need to be worked out as to exactly what they mean. Just as we now have a whole field of study among biblical scholars as to exactly what the prophecies found of the last days, esp. in the Revelation of Jesus, actually mean to tell us about those days. So, for those with faith in the prophetic nature of God's word, when we find such a prophecy as this pointing to a particular date today, we stand in awe that our God, the one true and living God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, does in fact know the end from the beginning. May He be forever and ever praised among His people.

If you want easy, go get a modern day self-help book.

God bless,
Ted

power1 · Oct 19, 2021

miamited said:
Hi @power1

Of course not. God's prophetic clock doesn't generally work like that. You see, the problem with God's prophecies giving exact dates is that no one would have understood that. What would a Jewish student of Scripture have made of a passage that says, "Such and such will happen on May 14, 1948." Dates weren't understood like that until just the last couple of thousand years. In fact, in the days of both Daniel's and this prophecy, there really wasn't a solid dating system for the days and years. So, just as with Daniel's prophecy, God marks off days and years from some starting point.

Consider that in all of the old covenant books, when we are told when something was happening, it is always in relation to what king was serving at the time. We read today that such and such happened in 484 B.C., but there wasn't really any such concept in 484 B.C. Just as you find today chapter and verse divisions in the Scripture that we have gone in and added to the original Scriptures, the dates in the B.C. era are dates that we today have gone back and given to the years prior to the A.D. era. You see, without the A.D. year one, there is no way to figure when 484 B.C. was. Because A.D. year one, is the mark point to start counting back years in the B.C. era. So, I would just be careful in requiring a 'proof' for some prophecy that would have been impossible for God to have written to His people that they would have understood. God is wiser than you or I could even think to imagine, but the purpose of prophecy in His word, is to prove to His people that He does know the end from the beginning. It's the very reason that God says He gave us prophecy. Remember how God says we are to test His prophets. If what they foretell doesn't come to pass, that prophet does not speak from the one true and living God.

God is actually quite clear.
Proverbs 8:8
All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Proverbs 8:9
They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

The many prophesies about the last days are meant to be understood. Any sincere person that seeks can find. People must become as little children to enter the kingdom of God, it is not some secret chamber only for scholars. The general sequence of events of the end is well known. Many details of this time are given. When we are told an evil leader will rise in the end, there is no confusion that maybe it is really a tree that will grow or something. It is a man who is a leader in that time. When God says He will restore and defend the remnant of Israel, and destroy their enemies, that is not some secret code. What you have offered is different. It is a conflation of possible interpretation based concepts and verses that are specific to Israel. Gabriel in Dan 9 did give the number of years till Jesus, but that is not the same thing. Gabriel did not insert extra years that depended on whether someone tithed enough, or worked an extra day rather than rest etc. He gave a total year number, and this was simply given in sections that related to Jesus being killed and before and after. All dividing that same number of years that was given (as groups of seven years, or 'weeks'). Having the total years given is not something simple people can not comprehend.

The purpose of prophesy in Scripture is so that throughout the generations, as prophecies were fulfilled, the people would say to themselves, this foretelling must have come from God. For who else knows the end from the beginning that can tell us of things to come that are yet to happen.

No. Jesus expected people to know the Scripture said He would be there at the time. It was not just some after the fact thing.

There are hundreds of prophecies in the Scripture. The great majority of them need to be worked out as to exactly what they mean.

Says who? Worked out? Here is a prophesy for example, what needed to be worked out about this?
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Or we could look at prophesy about the last days..

John 6:40
For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Just as we now have a whole field of study among biblical scholars as to exactly what the prophecies found of the last days, esp. in the Revelation of Jesus, actually mean to tell us about those days.

That is not the same as arranging numbers to fit dates that have no support elsewhere in the bible.

So, for those with faith in the prophetic nature of God's word, when we find such a prophecy as this pointing to a particular date today,

Except it is not a 'particular prophesy' is it? Is there a verse where we find this prophesy specifically? Or is it a hodgepodge of passages assembled for a purpose?

we stand in awe that our God, the one true and living God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, does in fact know the end from the beginning. May He be forever and ever praised among His people.

If you want easy, go get a modern day self-help book.

God bless,
Ted

I do not need 'easy'. I need resounding truth and a trumpet that gives a clear sound. The topic of this thread is about Israel (in case the typo in the title fooled someone) and whether their being a nation in the end time is a result of their own doing, or directly done by God. I have explained that in all the prophesy I see so far, it seems that the only time God gathers them there is after He returns and they get saved. Does your 'prophesy' that arrives at the 1948 number somehow tell us that God gathers them there at this date? Or is it just a number?

SuperCow · Oct 19, 2021

I think what hasn't been addressed is that a prophecy could be in the process of being fulfilled, but not completed. The Amalekites were to be blotted out completely in a prophecy shortly after the Exodus, but they were not eliminated until the time of King David, over 400 years later. Many of the Old testament prophets had denunciations against enemy nations that took hundreds of years to complete. (Thousands in a couple of cases.) Ammon, Moab, Edom, Elam, Egypt, Syria (Aram), Sidon, and Tyre all had long range prophecies that took hundreds of years to complete.

1948 is not very long ago by comparison, or even the 19th century when the Zionist movement formed. 1948 is not the end of the prophecy. It just might be a signpost on the journey.

A point has been made that Israel is not a nation compliant with God's will, at least from a purely Christian viewpoint. That seems to suggest that if you aren't going to a Christian church, then you are doomed and even within Christianity different churches point to each other in that regard. (Protestant vs Catholic vs Adventists, etc.) Israel is officially a Jewish state, with 74% of the population claiming to be followers of Judaism. (Unsure of the percentage who are messianic) Most of the time that they were considered rebellious it was for worship of false gods of the surrounding nations, which was a violation of their covenant. That is not the case now, unless you think they should take demolition charges to the dome of the rock and expel the 17% muslim population. Furthermore they are welcoming to all Christian faiths, so in many regards they are more devout than most Christian majority countries. But that being said, they are for sure not the purest standard that is implied by some of these prophecies.

power1 · Oct 19, 2021

SuperCow said:
I think what hasn't been addressed is that a prophecy could be in the process of being fulfilled, but not completed. The Amalekites were to be blotted out completely in a prophecy shortly after the Exodus, but they were not eliminated until the time of King David, over 400 years later. Many of the Old testament prophets had denunciations against enemy nations that took hundreds of years to complete. (Thousands in a couple of cases.) Ammon, Moab, Edom, Elam, Egypt, Syria (Aram), Sidon, and Tyre all had long range prophecies that took hundreds of years to complete.

1948 is not very long ago by comparison, or even the 19th century when the Zionist movement formed. 1948 is not the end of the prophecy. It just might be a signpost on the journey.

The issue is not whether 1948 was long ago in comparison to ancient events. The issue is whether they gathered themselves ot God already gathered them there.

A point has been made that Israel is not a nation compliant with God's will, at least from a purely Christian viewpoint. That seems to suggest that if you aren't going to a Christian church, then you are doomed and even within Christianity different churches point to each other in that regard.

Yet I never mentioned church at all. Not sure how you arrived at that 'point'.

(Protestant vs Catholic vs Adventists, etc.) Israel is officially a Jewish state, with 74% of the population claiming to be followers of Judaism.

Unbelievers in Jesus then. Not saved.

(Unsure of the percentage who are messianic) Most of the time that they were considered rebellious it was for worship of false gods of the surrounding nations, which was a violation of their covenant. That is not the case now, unless you think they should take demolition charges to the dome of the rock and expel the 17% muslim population.

Rebellion means not accepting Jesus. They are in rebellion against God because God gave Jesus as the only way and the Messiah.

Furthermore they are welcoming to all Christian faiths, so in many regards they are more devout than most Christian majority countries. But that being said, they are for sure not the purest standard that is implied by some of these prophecies.

Having a secular nation welcome various faiths does not mean God gathered them there according to prophesy.

SuperCow · Oct 19, 2021

power1 said:
The issue is not whether 1948 was long ago in comparison to ancient events. The issue is whether they gathered themselves ot God already gathered them there.

Most are there because they or their parents/grandparents had no other safe place to live. I would not call that gathering themselves there.

power1 said:
Yet I never mentioned church at all. Not sure how you arrived at that 'point'.

Unbelievers in Jesus then. Not saved.

Not much difference in these two sentences for most people.

power1 said:
Rebellion means not accepting Jesus. They are in rebellion against God because God gave Jesus as the only way and the Messiah.

Actually, it means fighting against something. They are no longer fighting against their original covenant. They are in denial of the new covenant. Totally different mindset.

power1 said:
Having a secular nation welcome various faiths does not mean God gathered them there according to prophesy.

No, but it's somewhat more moral than Islam's attitude towards Christianity. If they behaved in a similar way to their monarchial age, they would be mostly Muslim by now.

power1 · Oct 19, 2021

SuperCow said:
Most are there because they or their parents/grandparents had no other safe place to live. I would not call that gathering themselves there.

Well, multitudes had to travel there to start a nation. Having babies later does not change this.

Not much difference in these two sentences for most people.

There should be.

Actually, it means fighting against something. They are no longer fighting against their original covenant. They are in denial of the new covenant. Totally different mindset.

That something is God and the Way He provided for man. The secular nation of Israel does not follow any 'covenant' of the OT either. No one ever kept the law. That was the lesson of the law and why we needed Jesus.

No, but it's somewhat more moral than Islam's attitude towards Christianity.

Irrelevant. (if even true)

No comparing the secular nation of modern Israel to other nations or religions that you might consider worse makes Israel saved today.

SuperCow · Oct 20, 2021

power1 said:
Well, multitudes had to travel there to start a nation. Having babies later does not change this.

It is irrelevant whether the remnants of Israel travel there themselves or God picks them up on the wings of an angelic chariot. A gathering by God could happen either way and it would not determine the validity of a prophecy. There is no doubt that Anti-Semitic policies in many parts of the world are encouraging their migration. It is also true that attempts to eliminate the state of Israel in multiple wars have failed spectacularly.

power1 said:
No comparing the secular nation of modern Israel to other nations or religions that you might consider worse makes Israel saved today.

I never said that Israel was saved today, neither do I believe on a national scale that they are. (Individually, who knows?) The only point I was making is that the process of gathering may have already begun, even if the cleansing obviously has not.

power1 · Oct 20, 2021

SuperCow said:
It is irrelevant whether the remnants of Israel travel there themselves or God picks them up on the wings of an angelic chariot. A gathering by God could happen either way and it would not determine the validity of a prophecy.

A tree is known by it's fruit. When God gathers them there will be peace and righteousness clean hearts etc. The usual verse people use such as how the desert will bloom etc simply do not apply since each one is talking about a specific time in the future. The mere fact that they gather today for various reasons does not mean God gathered them.

I never said that Israel was saved today, neither do I believe on a national scale that they are. (Individually, who knows?) The only point I was making is that the process of gathering may have already begun, even if the cleansing obviously has not.

Gathering must happen for them to be there and face the trouble that must come. There is no doubt they gathered. I see no reason to blame God.

BABerean2 · Oct 27, 2021

power1 said:
God knew Israel would be there, but I have not yet seen Scriptural evidence that it was a result of GOD gathering them. God does gather them after they repent. He will then destroy their enemies and etc. Can anyone make a case that God already gathered them in 1948?

In the video below Jacob Rothschild gives the credit to his family for creating the modern State of Israel.
Never during this video does he give the credit to God.

Jacob Rothschild speaks about the Balfour Declaration and his family's roll in creating the modern State of Israel:

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power1 · Oct 27, 2021

BABerean2 said:
In the video below Jacob Rothschild gives the credit to his family for creating the modern State of Israel.
Never during this video does he give the credit to God.

Jacob Rothschild speaks about the Balfour Declaration and his family's roll in creating the modern State of Israel:

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OK. God does allow nations to rise and fall, so God knows all about it. That is not the same as Him directly and tenderly gathering, protecting and comforting them.

SuperCow · Oct 27, 2021

power1 said:
OK. God does allow nations to rise and fall, so God knows all about it. That is not the same as Him directly and tenderly gathering, protecting and comforting them.

None of the prophecies say anything about tenderly gathering and comforting them. In fact, Ezekiel and Amos both imply that the gathering takes place first, and then the purification of them is afterwards.

If it turns out (it clearly hasn’t happened yet) that all the practicing Jews eventually move to Israel, who would be left to be gathered from the rest of the earth for the prophecies?

power1 · Oct 27, 2021

SuperCow said:
None of the prophecies say anything about tenderly gathering and comforting them.

Isaiah 66:13
As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

You stand corrected.

In fact, Ezekiel and Amos both imply that the gathering takes place first, and then the purification of them is afterwards.

Chapter and verse where either say God gathers them?

If it turns out (it clearly hasn’t happened yet) that all the practicing Jews eventually move to Israel, who would be left to be gathered from the rest of the earth for the prophecies?

If if if. Woulda coulda shoulda. The reality is that that secular nation is slated for a judgment that any believing Jew would probably know about. I am not sure a last minute seat sale for the Titanic after it started going down would have been a smash. Since we do know that the majority of Israeli people will die and only a remnant be saved in the end, there is no real need for speculation.

SuperCow · Oct 27, 2021

power1 said:
Isaiah 66:13
As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.

You stand corrected.

I don’t see anything in that chapter about comfort during the gathering. That is after they have been gathered, or after the end times. I’m not even convinced that chapter refers to a physical Israel, but rather a spiritual post-Armageddon world.

power1 said:
Chapter and verse where either say God gathers them?

Ezekiel 36:24-31
Amos 9:11-15

power1 said:
If if if. Woulda coulda shoulda. The reality is that that secular nation is slated for a judgment that any believing Jew would probably know about. I am not sure a last minute seat sale for the Titanic after it started going down would have been a smash. Since we do know that the majority of Israeli people will die and only a remnant be saved in the end, there is no real need for speculation.

I don’t think any of us know who will die and who will not, or who will be resurrected or not.

power1 · Oct 27, 2021

SuperCow said:
I don’t see anything in that chapter about comfort during the gathering. That is after they have been gathered, or after the end times. I’m not even convinced that chapter refers to a physical Israel, but rather a spiritual post-Armageddon world.

Isaiah 66:13
As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
Let's see, in one little verse we see 'comfort' three times and then we are told where! Did you think that they would have peace and comfort before God comes to give it to them after they repent?

I don’t think any of us know who will die and who will not, or who will be resurrected or not.

The point then, is..?

SuperCow · Oct 28, 2021

power1 said:
Isaiah 66:13
As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
Let's see, in one little verse we see 'comfort' three times and then we are told where!

So where is the gathering? In this chapter, the gathering has already been done.

power1 said:
Did you think that they would have peace and comfort before God comes to give it to them after they repent?

Well, do you think that it was comforting for the Jews to have escaped Europe after the holocaust? Do you think that it was comforting for the Jews to come to Israel after religious persecution in Eastern Europe? Do you think it was comforting for the Jews to be back in Israel after Islamic oppression?

BABerean2 · Oct 28, 2021

SuperCow said:
So where is the gathering? In this chapter, the gathering has already been done.

Well, do you think that it was comforting for the Jews to have escaped Europe after the holocaust? Do you think that it was comforting for the Jews to come to Israel after religious persecution in Eastern Europe? Do you think it was comforting for the Jews to be back in Israel after Islamic oppression?

Paul defines who is a "Jew" in the passage below.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the passages below John reveals the truth about those who reject God's Son. Based on what Paul said about genealogies in Titus 3:9, there are no exceptions based on who your mother and father might be. Before I came to faith in Christ, these passages applied to me.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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power1 · Oct 28, 2021

SuperCow said:
So where is the gathering? In this chapter, the gathering has already been done.

Wrong question. The correct question for that verse is when will that gathering by God happen? Not 'where is it?'

Well, do you think that it was comforting for the Jews to have escaped Europe after the holocaust? Do you think that it was comforting for the Jews to come to Israel after religious persecution in Eastern Europe? Do you think it was comforting for the Jews to be back in Israel after Islamic oppression?

No, that is how we know that history was not when the prophesies are fulfilled.

SuperCow · Oct 28, 2021

BABerean2 said:
Paul defines who is a "Jew" in the passage below.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the passages below John reveals the truth about those who reject God's Son. Based on what Paul said about genealogies in Titus 3:9, there are no exceptions based on who your mother and father might be. Before I came to faith in Christ, these passages applied to me.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I don't see how any of this is relevant. Ezekiel's prophecy clearly says that the people of Israel will be gathered before they are deemed worthy. Amos concurs.

Ezekiel 36:22-23 - “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord,declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

Amos 9:8-10 - “Surely the eyes of the Sovereign Lord are on the sinful kingdom. I will destroy it from the face of the earth. Yet I will not totally destroy the descendants of Jacob,” declares the Lord. “For I will give the command, and I will shake the people of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve, and not a pebble will reach the ground. All the sinners among my people will die by the sword, all those who say, ‘Disaster will not overtake or meet us.’

SuperCow · Oct 28, 2021

power1 said:
Wrong question. The correct question for that verse is when will that gathering by God happen? Not 'where is it?'

No, that is how we know that history was not when the prophesies are fulfilled.

You totally misunderstood my question.

"So where [in the text of the book of Isaiah that you quoted] is the gathering?"

Did God gather Israel in 1948? I think not

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