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Okay, I will make this really simple, hoping that you will provide a simple answer and not an evasion.

Do you believe that everyone who never has the opportunity to hear the name of Jesus Christ, much less to believe in Jesus Christ, has been predestined to an eternity in the lake of fire which burns forever and ever? Yes or no?

I have never made an evasion here and the posts and scriptures provided show that I have answered you directly from the scriptures. What is it in the posts and scriptures shared with you that you do not believe? I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of eternal burning hell fire. I believe that the scriptures teach that the wicked will be destroyed or cease to exist after the second coming (scripture support here). I am not the judge of the world and do not know who has had the opportunity to hear the gospel and who has not. God knows and His judgements are righteous and will judge each one of us according to how our lives have been and what we know in regards to His Word.
 
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I have never made an evasion here and the posts and scriptures provided show that I have answered you directly from the scriptures. What is it in the posts and scriptures shared with you that you do not believe? I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of eternal burning hell fire. I believe that the scriptures teach that the wicked will be destroyed or cease to exist after the second coming (scripture support here). I am not the judge of the world and do not know who has had the opportunity to hear the gospel and who has not. God knows and His judgements are righteous and will judge each one of us according to how our lives have been and what we know in regards to His Word.

I understand. You reject eternal punishment in the lake of fire which burns forever and ever, despite the clear teaching of the Bible.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

You also clearly believe that salvation is according to obedience to the Law, as circumscribed and defined by your denomination.
 
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I understand. You reject eternal punishment in the lake of fire which burns forever and ever, despite the clear teaching of the Bible.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

You also clearly believe that salvation is according to obedience to the Law, as circumscribed and defined by your denomination.

The reason I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of everlasting torture in hell is because I do not believe it is biblical once the scriptures are examined in detail. According to the scriptures the consequences of the punishment of sin is eternal because it brings the wages of sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and it is this death that is eternal and everlasting. You may want to take a look at the Greek word used here as forever and ever which is G165 αἰών; aiōn and it's application does not always means eternity but can also mean a period of time. According to the scriptures the wicked are destroyed at the second coming through the presence of God. It is Gods presence that is an eternal consuming fire to sin (see Deuteronomy 4:34; 9:3; Hebrews 12:29) as God is eternal.

You may also want to look at Jude 1:7 and Sodom and Gomorrah where the same Greek word G165 αἰών; aiōn is used for "eternal fire" which is agreeing to what is being shared with you here that the fire coming from the presence of God is everlasting because God is everlasting. The punishment (death) is eternal and everlasting and this comes from the presence of God. Also, you may want to consider the book of Revelation is mostly symbolic in meaning. Death cannot be thrown in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14). There is no literal beast being placed in the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). This is symbolic in meaning to there will be no more death for Gods' people but everlasting life and the kingdoms of the world and false religion will be destroyed at the second coming.

So what happens to the wicked at the second coming according to the scriptures?

WICKED SHALL BE DESTROYED
Psalm 145:20 The Lord preserveth all them that love him, but all the wicked He shall destroy
Psalm 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the Lord
Psalms 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait on the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Proverbs 14:11, The house of the wicked shall be destroyed: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
Psalm 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Psalm 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish, it is that they shall be destroyed forever
Psalms 94:23 He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil
The Lord our God will destroy them.
Proverbs 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed; but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded
Proverbs 10:29 The way of the Lord is strength to the upright, but destruction shall be the workers of iniquity.
Hosea 7:13 Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me! I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me
Philippians 1:28 in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things
2 Peter 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed
2 Peter 3:7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Jude 1:10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

THEY SHALL PERISH
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 1:4 The wicked are not so,But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
Palms 1:6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish
Luke 13:3 Nay, but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever should believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received no the love of the truth that they might be saved

THE WICKED SHALL BE BURNT UP
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in His hand, and he will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner. But He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest, I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them. But gather the wheat into my barn
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Malachi 4:1,3 For behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble and th day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts. It shall leave them neither root nor branch...And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works therein shall be burnt up

THE WICKED SHALL BE CONSUMED
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 104:35a Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth and let the wicked be no more

THE WICKED SHALL BE DEVOURED
Psalm 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in His wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on th ebreadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indigination, which shall devour the adversaries

THE WICKED SHALL BE CUT OFF FROM THE EARTH

Psalms 37:2,9,22,28,34,38 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb...For evildoers shall be cut off, but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth...For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off...For the Lord loveth judgment and forsaketh not his saints; the are preserved for ever. But the seed of the wicked shall be cut off...Wait on the Lord and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it...But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Isaiah 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime. As thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire
Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it

THE WICKED WILL GO INTO PERDITION AND UTTER RUIN
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and periditon of ungodly men

THE WICKED ARE COMPARED TO COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS TO BE BURNED
Matthew 3:12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaffwith unquenchable fire.
Nahum 1:9-10 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Matthew 13:40. "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
John 15:6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

THE WICKED SHALL DIE
Ezekiel 18:4-9, 20 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 8:24 I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way: and he that hates reproof shall die.
Proverbs 19:16 He that keeps the commandment keeps his own soul; but he that despises his ways shall die.
Ezekiel 3:18-20 When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:28 Because he considers, and turns away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezeliel 33:8-9 When I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die; if you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
Ezekiel 33:11, 13, 14, 15, 18 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn you, turn you from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

THE WICKED SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous that is, an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

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The reason I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of everlasting torture in hell is because I do not believe it is biblical once the scriptures are examined in detail. According to the scriptures the consequences of the punishment of sin is eternal because it brings the wages of sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and it is this death that is eternal and everlasting. You may want to take a look at the Greek word used here as forever and ever which is G165 αἰών; aiōn and it's application does not always means eternity but can also mean a period of time. According to the scriptures the wicked are destroyed at the second coming through the presence of God. It is Gods presence that is an eternal consuming fire to sin (see Deuteronomy 4:34; 9:3; Hebrews 12:29) as God is eternal.

You may also want to look at Jude 1:7 and Sodom and Gomorrah where the same Greek word G165 αἰών; aiōn is used for "eternal fire" which is agreeing to what is being shared with you here that the fire coming from the presence of God is everlasting because God is everlasting. The punishment (death) is eternal and everlasting and this comes from the presence of God. Also, you may want to consider the book of Revelation is mostly symbolic in meaning. Death cannot be thrown in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14). There is no literal beast being placed in the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20). This is symbolic in meaning to there will be no more death for Gods' people but everlasting life and the kingdoms of the world and false religion will be destroyed at the second coming.

So what happens to the wicked at the second coming according to the scriptures?

WICKED SHALL BE DESTROYED
Psalm 145:20 The Lord preserveth all them that love him, but all the wicked He shall destroy
Psalm 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the Lord
Psalms 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait on the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Proverbs 14:11, The house of the wicked shall be destroyed: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
Psalm 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Psalm 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish, it is that they shall be destroyed forever
Psalms 94:23 He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil
The Lord our God will destroy them.
Proverbs 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed; but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded
Proverbs 10:29 The way of the Lord is strength to the upright, but destruction shall be the workers of iniquity.
Hosea 7:13 Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me! I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me
Philippians 1:28 in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things
2 Peter 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed
2 Peter 3:7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Jude 1:10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

THEY SHALL PERISH
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 1:4 The wicked are not so,But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
Palms 1:6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish
Luke 13:3 Nay, but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever should believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received no the love of the truth that they might be saved

THE WICKED SHALL BE BURNT UP
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in His hand, and he will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner. But He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest, I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them. But gather the wheat into my barn
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Malachi 4:1,3 For behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble and th day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts. It shall leave them neither root nor branch...And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works therein shall be burnt up

THE WICKED SHALL BE CONSUMED
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 104:35a Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth and let the wicked be no more

THE WICKED SHALL BE DEVOURED
Psalm 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in His wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on th ebreadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indigination, which shall devour the adversaries

THE WICKED SHALL BE CUT OFF FROM THE EARTH

Psalms 37:2,9,22,28,34,38 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb...For evildoers shall be cut off, but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth...For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off...For the Lord loveth judgment and forsaketh not his saints; the are preserved for ever. But the seed of the wicked shall be cut off...Wait on the Lord and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it...But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Isaiah 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime. As thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire
Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it

THE WICKED WILL GO INTO PERDITION AND UTTER RUIN
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and periditon of ungodly men

THE WICKED ARE COMPARED TO COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS TO BE BURNED
Matthew 3:12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaffwith unquenchable fire.
Nahum 1:9-10 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Matthew 13:40. "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
John 15:6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

THE WICKED SHALL DIE
Ezekiel 18:4-9, 20 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 8:24 I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way: and he that hates reproof shall die.
Proverbs 19:16 He that keeps the commandment keeps his own soul; but he that despises his ways shall die.
Ezekiel 3:18-20 When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:28 Because he considers, and turns away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezeliel 33:8-9 When I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die; if you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
Ezekiel 33:11, 13, 14, 15, 18 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn you, turn you from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

THE WICKED SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous that is, an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

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Take Care.

Thanks for cutting and pasting the standard SDA dogma on this issue.
 
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Thanks for cutting and pasting the standard SDA dogma on this issue.
It is called scripture and the scriptures posted are Gods' Word not my words, which your denying with your words that are not God's Word. What was it in the scriptures posted here that you disagree with? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that have led many to break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Jesus says in Matthew 15:2-9 that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This of course begs the question then if we choose to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God who then are we worshiping; God or man? Sunday worship of course, I believe is a good example of this as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.

Take Care.
 
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It is called scripture and the scriptures posted are Gods' Word not my words, which your denying with your words that are not God's Word. What was it in the scriptures posted here that you disagree with? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that have led many to break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Jesus says in Matthew 15:2-9 that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This of course begs the question then if we choose to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God who then are we worshiping; God or man? Sunday worship of course, I believe is a good example of this as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.

Take Care.

Well, I do know what it is in Revelation 20 that you don't believe. Although I find it unfortunate that you do not believe this chapter of the Bible, that is entirely your decision.
 
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Well, I do know what it is in Revelation 20 that you don't believe. Although I find it unfortunate that you do not believe this chapter of the Bible, that is entirely your decision.
Of course I believe Revelation 20 as well as the rest of the bible which is God's Word and I have only shown you why I do not believe your interpretation of it as shown why from the scriptures in post # 183 linked. May I ask what is it in the linked post provided here that you disagree with and why. I am happy to discuss the scriptures in detail if your interested but if your not of course you are free to believe as you wish and we should not waste each others time.

Take Care.
 
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Of course I believe Revelation 20 as well as the rest of the bible which is God's Word and I have only shown you why I do not believe your interpretation of is as shown why from the scriptures in post # 183 linked.

As well, I don't believe your interpretation of the verses you posted.
 
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As well, I don't believe your interpretation of the verses you posted.
That is fine you are free to believe whatever you wish. In post # 183 linked I was able to show you exactly why I disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20:10. It is there for all to see and you have not been able to show why you disagree with the scriptures shared with you in the linked post. As posted earlier may I ask what is it in the linked post provided here that you disagree with and why? I am happy to discuss the scriptures in detail if your interested but if your not of course you are free to believe as you wish and we should not waste each others time.

Take Care.
 
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That is fine you are free to believe whatever you wish. In post # 183 linked I was able to show you exactly why I disagree with your interpretation of Revelation 20:10. It is there for all to see and you have not been able to show why you disagree with the scriptures shared with you in the linked post. As posted earlier may I ask what is it in the linked post provided here that you disagree with and why? I am happy to discuss the scriptures in detail if your interested but if your not of course you are free to believe as you wish and we should not waste each others time.

Take Care.

You, my friend, merely cut and pasted the standard SDA rhetoric on soul sleep and did not engage me in any personal explanation as to why Revelation 20 does not mean what it actually says. On my part, I did not post any interpretation of Revelation 20, but merely posted the passage. Therefore, I am at a loss as to what you think my "interpretation" of the passage in question actually is.
 
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You, my friend, merely cut and pasted the standard SDA rhetoric on soul sleep and did not engage me in any personal explanation as to why Revelation 20 does not mean what it actually says. On my part, I did not post any interpretation of Revelation 20, but merely posted the passage. Therefore, I am at a loss as to what you think my "interpretation" of the passage in question actually is.
Actually no. I have done no such thing dear friend. Everything posted is my own prayerful time with God in His Word which is scripture interpreting scripture which it seems you have no response to and are unwilling to discuss which of course you do not have to if you do not want to. You did indeed post an interpretation. You posted Revelation 20:10 to try and claim that this proves that the wicked burn in hell forever in eternal torture while the scriptures and the Greek, some of which is posted in post # 183 linked does not support your view showing that the wicked are eternally destroyed at the second coming.
 
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Sunday worship of course, I believe is a good example of this as there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest.
Sunday worship is not a violation of the 4th commandment, ... which instructs us to rest on the Sabbath. It has nothing to do with what we do on Sunday.

Currently noone is commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest ...
 
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I have never made an evasion here and the posts and scriptures provided show that I have answered you directly from the scriptures. What is it in the posts and scriptures shared with you that you do not believe? I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of eternal burning hell fire. I believe that the scriptures teach that the wicked will be destroyed or cease to exist after the second coming (scripture support here). I am not the judge of the world and do not know who has had the opportunity to hear the gospel and who has not. God knows and His judgements are righteous and will judge each one of us according to how our lives have been and what we know in regards to His Word.
I get to judge the world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

I'm up to it.
 
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Sunday worship is not a violation of the 4th commandment, ... which instructs us to rest on the Sabbath. It has nothing to do with what we do on Sunday.

Currently noone is commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest ...

You might want to consider this:

Correct there no commandment to keep Sunday holy nor is it the holy day of the Lord thy God according to God. Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13

The Saturday Sabbath is more than resting. The commandment says “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8. The first day through the sixth day is a day to all our work and labor according to God Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work. Do you think God wants us to make the priority day to worship Him on a day He deemed to do all of our work or the day He blessed and sanctified and told us to keep holy?

The Sabbath will continue to be Lord’s day of worship for eternity Isaiah 66:23 as promised by God Exodus 31:16

While there is nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday but if that is your primary day of worship over the seventh day Sabbath which is God’s true and only holy day Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13, Mark 2:28 than by your actions you are saying that the man made day that was chosen for God takes priority to the day God chose. Jesus warns us of this exact scenario Matthew 15:3-9. There is no commandment for Sunday keeping, but there is for Sabbath keeping Exodus 20:8-11

God bless
 
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I get to judge the world.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

I'm up to it.

This is how God describes His saints

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
 
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There is no commandment for Sunday keeping, but there is for Sabbath keeping Exodus 20:8-11
Actually, ... there is ...

"'You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.'" Leviticus 23:15-16

This is the Feast of Pentecost. It was one of the compulsory feasts of Israel.

"On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations." Leviticus 23:21

Pentecost is a harvest festival and, so, is quite fitting for Jesus’ Church. We are celebrating a harvest (of souls). Simply consider that we are observing Pentecost every week …
 
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Actually, ... there is ...

"'You shall also count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete sabbaths. You shall count fifty days to the DAY AFTER THE SEVENTH SABBATH; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.'" Leviticus 23:15-16

This is the Feast of Pentecost. It was one of the compulsory feasts of Israel.

"On this same day you shall make a proclamation as well; you are to have a holy convocation. You shall do no laborious work. It is to be perpetual statute in all your dwelling places throughout your generations." Leviticus 23:21

Pentecost is a harvest festival and, so, is quite fitting for Jesus’ Church. We are celebrating a harvest (of souls). Simply consider that we are observing Pentecost every week …

These are the annual feasts days which could fall on any day of the week and is referring to sacrificial offerings, not God's holy day that is a commandment of God and started from Creation before sin. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13. The sacrificial feasts days ended in the New Covenant when Christ became our perfect sacrifice- see Hebrews 10, Col 2:14 this is entirely different that God's chosen holy day before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and continues for eternity after sin Isaiah 66:23 God bless
 
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These are the annual feasts days which could fall on any day of the week and is referring to sacrificial offerings, not God's holy day that is a commandment of God and started from Creation before sin. Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 2:1-3, Isaiah 58:13. The sacrificial feasts days ended in the New Covenant when Christ became our perfect sacrifice- see Hebrews 10, Col 2:14 this is entirely different that God's chosen holy day before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and continues for eternity after sin Isaiah 66:23 God bless
Once again ...

Sunday worship is not a violation of the 4th commandment, ... which instructs us to rest on the Sabbath. It has nothing to do with what we do on Sunday.

And ... we are not obliged to observe the Law of the First Covenant, ... which has been replaced ...

Hebrews 8

1 Now of the things of which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if He were on earth, He should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law.

5 Who serve as the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, "See", said He, "that thou make all things according to the pattern shown to you in the mount".

6 But now has He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, He said, Behold, the days come, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that He says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.
 
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Once again ...

Sunday worship is not a violation of the 4th commandment, ... which instructs us to rest on the Sabbath. It has nothing to do with what we do on Sunday.

The commandment is to work 6 days and to keep holy the seventh day Exodus 20:8-11 I prefer to look at it as what God said instead of what He did not say.

And ... we are not obliged to observe the Law of the First Covenant, ... which has been replaced ...

Hebrews 8

1 Now of the things of which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if He were on earth, He should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law.

5 Who serve as the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, "See", said He, "that thou make all things according to the pattern shown to you in the mount".

6 But now has He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, He said, Behold, the days come, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, says the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know Me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that He says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

Yes we are in the New Covenant, which means a new agreement, does not necessarily mean a new set of laws. What does God say about His New Covenant?

Jer. 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8:10 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God's laws previously written on stone, the moral Ten Commandments that is eternal Matthew 5:17-19 and reflect the very character of our Savior are now written in our hearts and minds. The covenant is based on better promises not all new laws and it especially did not delete God's Ten Commandments that God personally spoke and personally wrote with His own finger and placed inside the ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of His Temple.

What did change is the Priesthood, Jesus is our High Priest Hebrews 7:11-22, we can pray directly to Him and He is our Mediator Hebrews 9:15 and the sacrificial system ended, burnt officering for sins, animal sacrifices Hebrews 10 as Jesus became our perfect sacrifice. What did not end was God's moral laws the Ten Commandments that is written in our hearts so we obey because of our love John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3 and it is written in our minds so we remember to do them. James 1:22, Revelations 22:14

God bless
 
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Yes we are in the New Covenant, which means a new agreement, does not necessarily mean a new set of laws. What does God say about His New Covenant?
That christians are not under Old Testament Law ...

Romans 7

4 Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
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