Two Atlanta area election workers fired for shredding voter registration forms

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The alleged shredding of Democratic votes in Atlanta Georgia, on the other hand, if proved will show that there was an attempt to corrupt the result - though not of the Presidential Election.
I thought they were new registration applications and there isn't any way to know how those people would vote because the party is not listed on the registration form.

Or is this something separate that I haven't heard about yet.
 
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There has not been any claim that I have seen that there was no fraud;
All I can conclude from that is you mustn't have been paying attention at that time.
Fraud of this kind has never been widespread. The evidence is that personation and other illegal votes were not widespread in the 2020 Presidential Election.
That's right, but the excuse was made just as I said. In fact, it was made here just a little while ago.

This is the conclusion of the Cyber Ninja Review, accepted by the Arizona Republican Caucus.
Well, it wasn't accepted. That would have been evident if you'd read the3 whole of the document you copied for us here to read.

The accusations that the election was stolen implies systematic fraud committed by Biden supporting Democratic officials - a conspiracy, in fact. What else could the words 'stop the steal' mean?
Oh come on. That's a slogan that some people have used along with a half a dozen others that look good on some banner. That doesn't mean it's a position statement on the part of the Arizona Senate Republican Caucus.
 
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Only Democrats demand there must be proof of "systemic action to alter the ballot" and such knowing that such proof must be prosecuted and convicted fraud, a legal term. And if there was fraud it would be difficult to locate the fraudsters and get them to admit it.
Why, it would “look like” there was “no fraud” at all!
(But we know that ain’t right!)
 
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There has not been any claim that I have seen that there was no fraud; every election is prone to personation. Fraud of this kind has never been widespread. The evidence is that personation and other illegal votes were not widespread in the 2020 Presidential Election. This is the conclusion of the Cyber Ninja Review, accepted by the Arizona Republican Caucus.

The accusations that the election was stolen implies systematic fraud committed by Biden supporting Democratic officials - a conspiracy, in fact. What else could the words 'stop the steal' mean? There is still no evidence of anything approaching this.

The alleged shredding of Democratic votes in Atlanta Georgia, on the other hand, if proved will show that there was an attempt to corrupt the result - though not of the Presidential Election.
This was an audit, the election is over with and Constitutionally decided. Once again, the idea is to fix problems from happening in the future.
 
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Why, it would “look like” there was “no fraud” at all!
(But we know that ain’t right!)
In order to determine if there was fraud you have to investigate further. While a voter with the same name and same address who voted in two counties may give the appearance of fraud, in our country people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Was there an intent to illegally count irregular votes or was it simply incompetence? Again, the situation needs to be corrected for future elections, that means if deliberate then people involved should be prosecuted, and if incompetence better training or removal of those who make multiple errors.
 
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In order to determine if there was fraud you have to investigate further.
Yeah, that's the story we get every time the previous "further" investigation of fraud turns up empty.

Hope springs eternal, I guess.
 
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Just one more audit, sooner or later we will get the result we want ... any day now.. just as with Benghazi.
We're going to need more audits before the people wake up enough to ensure voter ID laws are passed, that election observers were not be verbally or physically assaulted, and that there are strict penalties for those who destroy, lie about, or conceal election information. This is a start if Arizona legislators act.
 
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We're going to need more audits before the people wake up enough to ensure voter ID laws are passed, that election observers were not be verbally or physically assaulted, and that there are strict penalties for those who destroy, lie about, or conceal election information. This is a start if Arizona legislators act.

Just as I said.

How many audits will be needed do you think before you get the answer you want?
 
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We're going to need more audits before the people wake up enough to ensure voter ID laws are passed, that election observers were not be verbally or physically assaulted, and that there are strict penalties for those who destroy, lie about, or conceal election information. This is a start if Arizona legislators act.

We already have voter id in place in Arizona. We've been voting by mail for over two decades, electing republicans (mostly) and democrats.
 
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We're going to need more audits before the people wake up enough to ensure voter ID laws are passed
A voter ID law was passed in my state. Unfortunately the GOP got caught researching which forms of ID were most difficult for minorities to get before picking the IDs to require. A court ruled that was clearly intended to discriminate against minorities. Not sure why audits have anything to do with documented attempts like that to suppress minority vote turnout.
 
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We already have voter id in place in Arizona. We've been voting by mail for over two decades, electing republicans (mostly) and democrats.
I'm not big on either party, McCain was one of the worst senators ever. You need to check the identifications of those who send in mail-in ballots, that's been a major problem.
 
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I'm not big on either party, McCain was one of the worst senators ever. You need to check the identifications of those who send in mail-in ballots, that's been a major problem.
If that's so important, why didn't the most recent audit look at it?

Or is it now becoming "important" because the previous claims of what were "important" turned out not to be true?
 
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I'm not big on either party, McCain was one of the worst senators ever. You need to check the identifications of those who send in mail-in ballots, that's been a major problem.

It has not been a major problem.
 
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I'm not big on either party, McCain was one of the worst senators ever. You need to check the identifications of those who send in mail-in ballots, that's been a major problem.

Major problem according to whom? Any data supporting this "problem"? Or is it just that the wrong guy won?
 
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Major problem according to whom? Any data supporting this "problem"? Or is it just that the wrong guy won?
I say. Do your maintain that this was the safest election in the history of the United States and that identification of those who send in mail-in ballots ( I included chain of custody in this) is not a problem?
 
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I say. Do your maintain that this was the safest election in the history of the United States and that identification of those who send in mail-in ballots ( I included chain of custody in this) is not a problem?

From all data and evidence; the election was safe and there where no major problems.

But I'm sure one more audit is all that is needed, and maye another one after that if it comes to the wrong conclusion, and another one after that, and... maybe a few more. Sooner or later the correct result will be shown.
 
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The 2020 election in Arizona was no different than prior elections. Voter fraud is rare, and when it does happen, there are safeguards in place to catch it. From an AP review in July:

Arizona county election officials have identified fewer than 200 cases of potential voter fraud out of more than 3 million ballots cast in last year's presidential election, undercutting former President Donald Trump's claims of a stolen election as his allies continue a disputed ballot review in the state's most populous county.

An Associated Press investigation found 182 cases where problems were clear enough that officials referred them to investigators for further review. So far, only four cases have led to charges, including those identified in a separate state investigation. No one has been convicted. No person's vote was counted twice.

.....Of the four Arizona cases that have resulted in criminal charges, two involved Democratic voters and two involved Republicans.

The AP tallied the potential cases after submitting public record requests to all Arizona counties. Most counties — 11 out of 15 — reported they had forwarded no potential cases to local prosecutors. The majority of cases identified so far involve people casting a ballot for a relative who had died or people who tried to cast two ballots.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...s-undercut-trumps-election-claims/7997745002/
 
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The 2020 election in Arizona was no different than prior elections. Voter fraud is rare, and when it does happen, there are safeguards in place to catch it. From an AP review in July:

Arizona county election officials have identified fewer than 200 cases of potential voter fraud out of more than 3 million ballots cast in last year's presidential election, undercutting former President Donald Trump's claims of a stolen election as his allies continue a disputed ballot review in the state's most populous county.

An Associated Press investigation found 182 cases where problems were clear enough that officials referred them to investigators for further review. So far, only four cases have led to charges, including those identified in a separate state investigation. No one has been convicted. No person's vote was counted twice.

.....Of the four Arizona cases that have resulted in criminal charges, two involved Democratic voters and two involved Republicans.

The AP tallied the potential cases after submitting public record requests to all Arizona counties. Most counties — 11 out of 15 — reported they had forwarded no potential cases to local prosecutors. The majority of cases identified so far involve people casting a ballot for a relative who had died or people who tried to cast two ballots.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...s-undercut-trumps-election-claims/7997745002/

Facts wont matter.
 
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