Vaccine Misinformation Strikes: Florida School will not employ vaccinated teachers or staff

Wolseley said:

1. You get the vaccine, you can still catch Covid. So what's the point?

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Most of these vaccines are 95+% effective.
Just because some people continue to die in car accidents whilst wearing seatbelts it doesn't mean that seatbelts are useless and we shouldn't use them.

From a selfish perspective (lets say a quarter of your country catches this disease) this means a random person has a 25% chance of catching it. If they are vaccinated then they have only a 1.25% chance of catching it.
From a society perspective if the rate of spread (R nought) is 3 meaning that on average an infected person goes on to infect 3 others, this means that the amount of people in society infected increases and the disease runs rampant. If all the people get vaccinated, then the rate of spread drops well below 1 which means on average an infected person infects less that one other person, this means that the amount of people in society infected reduces and the disease goes away from society.
Think of it from a "pro-life" perspective.
Do something and save lives or do nothing and watch the death toll rise.

Wolseley said:

2. You get the vaccine, you can still spread Covid. So what's the point?

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The vaccine makes it much less likely that you will catch the disease and spread it on. Same answer to point 1 above. If society gets the R nought down below 1 then this disease will fade away and society will go back to normal.

Wolseley said:

3. You get the vaccine, and it may kill you.

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Well over half a million people in USA have died from Covid-19 already and not everyone has caught the disease.
If you vaccinate everyone in your country, how many do you think will die from the vaccine?
Getting vaccinated increases the chances of you living.

Wolseley said:

4. They have had no end of problems with the various types of vaccine produced by different manufacturers, which makes me extremely disinclined to be used as their guinea pig.

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Millions of people have already been vaccinated.
This is much larger than any pre-release sample that is usually done.
The question is, which is worse? The affects of the disease or the affects of the vaccine?

Wolseley said:

5. It takes at least twelve years, on average, for a vaccine to be tested enough to be declared totally safe for use in human subjects.

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In the meantime a global pandemic runs rampant and is killing millions.

Wolseley said:

I'd prefer to wait a few years and see what comes of it.

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In the first year of covid-19 2.6 million people have died. The contagion rate and the death rate was slow to begin with as this thing takes time to spread. If there were no vaccine we would expect the second year to have a much larger death rate than the first year.
Do you really want to wait 12 years before giving people a vaccine?

essentialsaltes said:

That...

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If you're gonna selectively cut and paste my words to make 'em come out sayin' something other than what I said, pilgrim, you need a bigger platform where they do that sorta thing all the time. Maybe you oughtta become editor of a liberal newspaper.

stevil said:

Most of these vaccines are 95+% effective.

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Then why does Il Fauci keep saying people who get vaccinated still have to wear two masks, social distance, can still catch Covid, blah, blah, blah?

stevil said:

If all the people get vaccinated, then the rate of spread drops well below 1 which means on average an infected person infects less that one other person, this means that the amount of people in society infected reduces and the disease goes away from society.

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Or you could simply let the thing run its course, allow herd immunity to be achieved, and it'll still go away from society.

stevil said:

In the meantime a global pandemic runs rampant and is killing millions.

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Well, they've been whining about overpopulation for forty years now. Not to sound callous, but human beings are not exactly an endangered species.

stevil said:

In the first year of covid-19 2.6 million people have died. The contagion rate and the death rate was slow to begin with as this thing takes time to spread. If there were no vaccine we would expect the second year to have a much larger death rate than the first year.
Do you really want to wait 12 years before giving people a vaccine?

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I'll wait twelve years before they give me a vaccine---if I allow them to give me one at all.

Wolseley said:

Then why does Il Fauci keep saying people who get vaccinated still have to wear two masks, social distance, can still catch Covid, blah, blah, blah?

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Where are you getting your information from? The above is inaccurate.
1. Fauci isn't saying that people need to wear two masks. He has stated that it makes sense to wear two masks because it is more likely to reduce the spread of the virus in the case where the wearer has the disease.
2. Fauci is concerned about variants of the virus. With millions of USA folk infected by the disease there is a lot of chance for variants to occur. Also there are known variants coming into the USA from overseas. Fauci is concerned about the ongoing effectiveness of the vaccination against these known and upcoming variants. With the disease running rampant in USA and in some parts of the world, Fauci is going by CDC guidelines and recommending even vaccinated people to continue wearing masks.
It is a type of defence in depth, where more than one measure is used for protection.

Wolseley said:

Or you could simply let the thing run its course, allow herd immunity to be achieved, and it'll still go away from society.

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The "do nothing" approach, Trump tried that and was voted out of the presidency because of this.
"do nothing" will result in very high levels of death, as well as high impact on the economy etc.

Wolseley said:

Well, they've been whining about overpopulation for forty years now. Not to sound callous, but human beings are not exactly an endangered species.

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...so, you are doing your part to reduce population numbers, by allowing yourself to be part of the spread of this disease????
A government is entrusted to protect the society that they govern over, so they employ scientists for advice and to develop measures such as vaccines to protect society.
It is not a government mandate to reduce population numbers by allowing preventable disease to propagate through society. I don't think that would go down well as a campaign promise.

Wolseley said:

I'll wait twelve years before they give me a vaccine---if I allow them to give me one at all.

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Sure, OK. It's your body after all.

COVID-19 vaccines to decimate world population, warns microbiologist ... and it's already happening in India and Brazil

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“COVID-19 vaccines to decimate world population, warns microbiologist ... and it's already happening in India and Brazil”


At the risk of being called paranoid again, the above links to a well-known microbiologist, German-Thai microbiologist Sucharit Bhakdi, who warns about the danger of an mRNA vaccine:

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“The vaccine “trains” immune cells to attack the virus. This training excites immune cells, causing them to be much more aggressive once the actual virus enters the body. As a result, the person might develop more severe symptoms than if he or she hadn’t been vaccinated. This is all leading up to the decimation of the entire population, added Bhakdi.”

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Bhakdi might be wrong, since he’s bucking the consensus of most microbiologists. There are probably flaws in his logic, but IMO it’s worth considering the possibility that the mRNA vaccine is dangerous.

As for the idea of that depopulation would decrease the customers, there are at least two reasons why some top scientists might favor a depopulation agenda: modifying DNA for transhumanism purposes (i.e. nephilims), and dealing with overpopulation. What good are a massive number of customers who have to share dwindling resources?

johnlxyz said:

COVID-19 vaccines to decimate world population, warns microbiologist ... and it's already happening in India and Brazil

The title of the article is:

“COVID-19 vaccines to decimate world population, warns microbiologist ... and it's already happening in India and Brazil”


At the risk of being called paranoid again, the above links to a well-known microbiologist, German-Thai microbiologist Sucharit Bhakdi, who warns about the danger of an mRNA vaccine:

(from the article)

“The vaccine “trains” immune cells to attack the virus. This training excites immune cells, causing them to be much more aggressive once the actual virus enters the body. As a result, the person might develop more severe symptoms than if he or she hadn’t been vaccinated. This is all leading up to the decimation of the entire population, added Bhakdi.”

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Bhakdi might be wrong, since he’s bucking the consensus of most microbiologists. There are probably flaws in his logic, but IMO it’s worth considering the possibility that the mRNA vaccine is dangerous.

As for the idea of that depopulation would decrease the customers, there are at least two reasons why some top scientists might favor a depopulation agenda: modifying DNA for transhumanism purposes (i.e. nephilims), and dealing with overpopulation. What good are a massive number of customers who have to share dwindling resources?

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What is afinalwarning[.]com?
Is this a reputable site?
There is no privacy policy.
Do you trust this site?

essentialsaltes said:

He seems to be. Lots of mRNA vaccines in arms in the US, and not only are cases down, but people who have been vaccinated and nonetheless get COVID-19 are much LESS likely to be hospitalized.

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Yeah, but what are you going to believe - actual data like this, or what some random person you've never heard of believes maybe might happen?

sfs said:

I find it interesting that nonreligious scientists still believe in objective truth while many Christians have evidently stopped believing in it.

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I imagine there are certain preconceptions which are easier to maintain if one also commits to pretending reality isn't real.

stevil said:

Sure, OK. It's your body after all.

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Oh, thank you! At least somebody understands that!

essentialsaltes said:

...A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who get vaccinated to remain home for 30 days after each dose...

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I wouldn't want my child educated by a school that stupid.

essentialsaltes said:

A private school with two campuses in Miami has warned its staff against taking vaccines that prevent COVID-19, saying it will not employ anyone who has been inoculated and spreading misinformation about the potential risks of vaccination.

The announcement, first reported by the New York Times, left some parents, teachers and medical experts aghast because it was presented as fact without citing any scientific evidence.

Leila Centner, who co-founded the school with husband David Centner, warned that vaccinated persons “may be transmitting something from their bodies” that could harm others, particularly the “reproductive systems, fertility, and normal growth and development in women and children.”

The school has a chiropractor on staff to give adjustments to students and staff and practices meditation among students with the use of crystals.

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As a private school, that is thier right.

renniks said:

As a private school, that is thier right.

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Is it? Honest question. Are schools, regardless of their status wrt private/public, allowed to arbitrarily deny students access to the school?

Tanj said:

Is it? Honest question. Are schools, regardless of their status wrt private/public, allowed to arbitrarily deny students access to the school?

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Short answer.. if they don't take federal money they can deny people on religious grounds.

renniks said:

Short answer.. if they don't take federal money they can deny people on religious grounds.

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I don't actually consider religious grounds to be "arbitrary", also not sure this school is religious. Regardless, it does appear that there's no rules or requirements in Florida around what you can or cannot do regards student intake.

Opening A Private School

Tanj said:

I don't actually consider religious grounds to be "arbitrary", also not sure this school is religious. Regardless, it does appear that there's no rules or requirements in Florida around what you can or cannot do regards student intake.

Opening A Private School

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They practice meditation but aren't a religious school?

renniks said:

They practice meditation but aren't a religious school?

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I'm no expert on the matter, was just expressing an opinion. My wife mediates and she is an atheist. Also, don't see how it's relevant since there's no requirement in the Florida statutes for a religious basis to exemptions.

On the plus side, nice to see you being ecumenical and supporting these New Age Crystal Fondlers. (my new favourite phrase, thank you @essentialsaltes)

Tanj said:

I'm no expert on the matter, was just expressing an opinion. My wife mediates and she is an atheist. Also, don't see how it's relevant since there's no requirement in the Florida statutes for a religious basis to exemptions.

On the plus side, nice to see you being ecumenical and supporting these New Age Crystal Fondlers. (my new favourite phrase, thank you @essentialsaltes)

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I disagree with new age folks but I respect their right to the same freedom of religion we all have.

renniks said:

I disagree with new age folks but I respect their right to the same freedom of religion we all have.

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Once again noting religion is entirely irrelevant in this case, since Florida allows exemptions for any reason at all.