Walmart To Employees, "White is not Right"

Ana the Ist · Oct 17, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
It's been explained to you ad nauseum and nobody (who's been around in these forums and has seen it) buys your story that you somehow can't understand what it is.

The last two times that I asked you to explain it....you wrote hundreds of words over multiple posts complaining that you already did explain systemic racism and I simply wasn't paying attention (or some similar nonsense)

If you were capable of explaining it....you would have already and simply proved me wrong.

You can't explain it though, that's why you don't try.

You clearly don't agree that it is real. But that is different from not understanding what it is. It's been explained to you wel by many people and in many ways, but rather than disagree with it you claim you are incapable of understanding what it is even after it's been explained to you.

I'll admit that it could be real....but I have no way off assessing that if no one can explain it.

If you really didn't understand what it is you wouldn't argue so vehemently against it as you do.

As far as I can tell, it's the assumption that a lot of people working a type of job are racist.

But nobody (other than perhaps people new to the forum and still giving you benefit of the doubt) buys your story that you don't understand what it is.

You seem to have greatly overestimated your ability to read minds.

Feel free to go ahead now and double down yet again on insisting you don't understand it. At least it makes you look like you admit that you're incapable of understanding a concept rather than simply disagreeing with it, so keep pushing that storyline.

I'd ask you to explain it and prove me wrong....but we both know you can't explain it.

rturner76 · Oct 17, 2021

I haven't read the whole thread but did Wal-Mart say they had some internal statistics that point to racist practices happening in their company?

Ana the Ist · Oct 17, 2021

rturner76 said:
I haven't read the whole thread but did Wal-Mart say they had some internal statistics that point to racist practices happening in their company?

Why would they need statistics? They have access to all the policies and practices.

They can simply look them and change or remove them if they're racist. The "training" is their attempt to get in front of any future racism lawsuits.

Aldebaran · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said:
RDKirk said: ↑
I only have to personally agree with what I personally assert.

Why would anyone feel differently?

Do you feel an obligation to agree with something you would not assert?

It's called being open minded.
Also, people assert what they agree with, not the other way around.

RDKirk · Oct 17, 2021

Aldebaran said:
It's called being open minded.
Also, people assert what they agree with, not the other way around.

You don't agree with your own assertions?

I'll keep that in mind.

Aldebaran · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said:
You don't agree with your own assertions?

I'll keep that in mind.

This isn't about me. Stick with the topic.

bekkilyn · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
I've tried pretty hard to figure out what systemic racism is....and I've asked the very people on this forum who believe in systemic racism to explain it. That conversation is basically like talking to a NPC. They literally repeat the same things.

Luckily I know ways around the scripted dialogue that allow hilarity to ensue. No, you won't ever get a coherent explanation for what systemic racism is....but that's because it's not a real thing.

1. Don't ask for examples. They'll always go to examples of racial discrimination that have long since been outlawed. Their favorite is redlining...because they believe that all disparities between black and white home ownership are caused by redlining in the past. If you want some fun, just ask them how much of that disparity can be attributed to redlining and how much is caused by the 2008 housing market crash?

They've either never considered it....or they'll make up some wild statistics like 90% redlining....10% housing crash. They obviously don't know and don't want even consider other factors.

Whatever you do....you absolutely should not.....

2. Point out that redlining is illegal. This will definitely cause them to respond that "just because a practice is outlawed doesn't mean people don't break the law". It's a necessary part of the NPC scripted dialogue. I start feeling bad for them when this happens because it's clear they read this somewhere and thought it was a good point....despite it applying to literally every criminal law. That doesn't matter because, apparently, our inability to prevent all racial discrimination (by all I mean all racial discrimination except when it's against whites) has led them to think that black people deserve something. Something in this case tends to mean jobs, opportunities, or straight up wealth.

Imagine if a woman said she deserved to be rich because the law against rape doesn't magically prevent all rape. Pretty crazy, right?

I could go on....but I don't feel like filling out the next 10 pages. I wish you luck exploring systemic racism on this thread and I strongly suggest you follow my two points.

I've been questioning whether or not I really believe in the systemic -ism stuff. The fact that racism, sexism, etc. exists in some fashion doesn't also necessarily mean that is ingrained in "the system". Because...what system? And if the system we have now is bad (and that's an IF), whatever that system actually is, then what exactly is the replacement system and how is that system not going to be chock full of all the same problems? It seems that there are a bunch of people ready and willing (and I'm not just talking about black people or other minorities) to tear this entire country apart, but for what? Do people even know?

Estrid · Oct 17, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I've been questioning whether or not I really believe in the systemic -ism stuff. The fact that racism, sexism, etc. exists in some fashion doesn't also necessarily mean that is ingrained in "the system". Because...what system? And if the system we have now is bad (and that's an IF), whatever that system actually is, then what exactly is the replacement system and how is that system not going to be chock full of all the same problems? It seems that there are a bunch of people ready and willing (and I'm not just talking about black people or other minorities) to tear this entire country apart, but for what? Do people even know?

There was some lady on the news saying of the riots,
burning looting - "We built this country, so we can tear it down."

Aldebaran · Oct 17, 2021

Estrid said:
There was some lady on the news saying of the riots,
burning looting - "We built this country, so we can tear it down."

Tear it down, and then they can "build back better".
I guess they didn't like the way they built it the first time.

DamianWarS · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said:
But what is your point?

the point is that Walmart corporate culture in a vacuum can be reasonably compared to a communist system which was the original point back in post #144 that you took issue to. I'm not anti-Walmart but a spade is a spade.

ArmenianJohn · Oct 17, 2021

All Glory To God said:
Could you define what the 'right wing' actually is for a point of reference?

In the US, Republicans and almost all other conservatives (including - or even especially - libertarians).

DamianWarS · Oct 17, 2021

TheWhat? said:
You know, this would make for a great science fiction novel. American capitalism wins. Every corporation and business which hasn't been destroyed is eventually absorbed into the only remaining conglomerate. With only one corporation remaining, eventually, its identity as a corporation fades away, revealing the internal structure which now governs the world...

soon steaming near you

ArmenianJohn · Oct 17, 2021

Ana the Ist said:
The last two times that I asked you to explain it....you wrote hundreds of words over multiple posts complaining that you already did explain systemic racism and I simply wasn't paying attention (or some similar nonsense)

If you were capable of explaining it....you would have already and simply proved me wrong.

I wouldn't for a while and to this point try to explain it to you - I would just point you to someone else who explained it, and that's the last I did with you. It's all a waste of time because you come back again (like now) saying you have never had it explained and you don't understand it at all.

Ana the Ist said:
You can't explain it though, that's why you don't try.

No, I don't try because by now I know your patter and it's not worth my time since I know your automatic answer.

Ana the Ist said:
I'll admit that it could be real....but I have no way off assessing that if no one can explain it.

Why would you admit it could be true when you don't even know or have any idea what it is?

Ana the Ist said:
As far as I can tell, it's the assumption that a lot of people working a type of job are racist.

What are you aying here, that you think you know what it is now? Or do you still not have any idea what it is? You're equivocating already.

Ana the Ist said:
You seem to have greatly overestimated your ability to read minds.

Not at all.

Ana the Ist said:
I'd ask you to explain it and prove me wrong....but we both know you can't explain it.

I know I can explain it but whether I can or not isn't the issue - the fact remains that I wouldn't explain it again to you because it's a waste of time.

I'm fine with you having admitted over and over that you are incapable of understanding anyone's explanation. You're the only person I know at all and the only person I have seen in these threads who makes that claim. I actually am now believing you because why should I second guess anyone who openly declares he has no understanding of something.

Of course, when you argue against it that belies your claim of not understanding it. How can you be against something you have no understanding of???

RDKirk · Oct 17, 2021

DamianWarS said:
the point is that Walmart corporate culture in a vacuum can be reasonably compared to a communist system which was the original point back in post #144 that you took issue to. I'm not anti-Walmart but a spade is a spade.

But what is the point of that point? So what? As I responded, that can be said of a number of different organizations "within a vacuum."

DamianWarS · Oct 17, 2021

RDKirk said:
But what is the point of that point? So what? As I responded, that can be said of a number of different organizations "within a vacuum."

it was in response to post #17. you've perhaps just interjected at a point that lost that context. There are of course a lot of systems that have communist flavours, including an early church model presented in Acts 2:42-47. Communism as an ideology seems quite desirable but in practice, politically speaking, seems to fall short. There are some positive qualities about communism abstractly that we can compare a lot of systems to (like an early church model) but politically speaking it seems to bring out the negative qualities.

My comparison with Walmart is of the negative slant of communism not the positive. So if you want to call the family unit or the military ranks a communist model then go ahead and I would be interested in your reasons but they perhaps are of a different side of communism that I'm using. Sharing everything and working together for a common goal are good values and sure family units and the military are examples of these but they are also examples of rewards, accomplishments, and skills sent downwards. Walmart differs in this model because their practice of sharing looks like low pay employees feeding money upwards with superficial rewards, positions, and morale sent downwards. That is closer to the infamous communism that we have seen historically practiced.

Ana the Ist · Oct 18, 2021

bekkilyn said:
I've been questioning whether or not I really believe in the systemic -ism stuff. The fact that racism, sexism, etc. exists in some fashion doesn't also necessarily mean that is ingrained in "the system". Because...what system? And if the system we have now is bad (and that's an IF), whatever that system actually is, then what exactly is the replacement system and how is that system not going to be chock full of all the same problems? It seems that there are a bunch of people ready and willing (and I'm not just talking about black people or other minorities) to tear this entire country apart, but for what? Do people even know?

In regards to systemic racism, believers should be able to....

1. Give an explanation of what it is .

2. Explain how the racism occurs/where its located in the system.

3. Explain how you identify systemic racism is occurring.

Most people who believe can copy a definition for #1....#2 and #3 though are impossible to answer without sound really silly or contradicting #1.

Maybe it's because I'm an atheist that I have no problem challenging beliefs people feel really strongly about...but I don't care if they get offended. Truth matters to me.

Ana the Ist · Oct 18, 2021

ArmenianJohn said:
I wouldn't for a while and to this point try to explain it to you - I would just point you to someone else who explained it, and that's the last I did with you. It's all a waste of time because you come back again (like now) saying you have never had it explained and you don't understand it at all.

That's because no one has ever explained it.

I remember, you once linked to a NPR article with some woman talking about it...but she never explained it either.

No, I don't try because by now I know your patter and it's not worth my time

Not worth your time lol....but you'll spend two more posts and hundreds of words pretending you could explain it lol.

Why would you admit it could be true when you don't even know or have any idea what it is?

Because until it's explained it at least has the possibility of being true.

Basic logic.

What are you aying here, that you think you know what it is now? Or do you still not have any idea what it is? You're equivocating already.

That's my best guess based on context. Context is all I have to go off.

I know I can explain it but whether I can or not isn't the issue - the fact remains that I wouldn't explain it again to you because it's a waste of time.

You could have explaineexit twice now and proved me wrong. We both know you can't.

I'm willing to bet my mind reading abilities are better than yours. I bet you'll spend at least another post pretending you can explain it and pretending you won't because it's a waste of time.

Ceallaigh · Oct 18, 2021

I had to go to a similar training session that basically told me that white men were responsible for everyone else being oppressed.

Estrid · Oct 18, 2021

MMXX said:
I had to go to a similar training session that basically told me that white men were responsible for everyone else being oppressed.

Did you find out what systemic racism is?

Ceallaigh · Oct 18, 2021

Estrid said:
Did you find out what systemic racism is?

Yes, and that white males are responsible for it.

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