Wisconsin Assembly bans mention of CRT in school, along with about 100 other things

Aldebaran said:

Who would like being told that they are either a victim or oppressor depending on what their skin color is?

Although promoted as “anti-racist” civil rights education, CRT actively encourages discrimination. At its core, CRT segregates people into two main categories: oppressors or victims. The calculation is based solely on skin color. The tenets of CRT stretch far beyond the humanities. In some classrooms in Oregon and California, students operate under the understanding that “finding the right answer” in mathematics is racist. “Right” and “wrong” answers are deemed a product of white supremacy. The woke gymnastics required to reach such a conclusion would be amusing if this destructive ideology didn’t pose such a danger to education in America.
Why Is Critical Race Theory Dangerous For Our Kids?

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Why don't you actually investigate the source of this material and what the people who want to teach it are actually saying, instead of getting all of your info from biased sites with a political axe to grind?

Aldebaran said:

Either way, it's another thing that should be banned in schools.

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'This is terrible! It should be banned!'
'It didn't happen'.
'Oh. Ban it anyway!'

Strathos said:

Why don't you actually investigate the source of this material and what the people who want to teach it are actually saying, instead of getting all of your info from biased sites with a political axe to grind?

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That's pretty accurate to the source material.

Aldebaran said:

So's law ain't gonna work today.

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Sorry, I have no idea what that means...

SOOOO I think my argument now is that CRTs are just too bulky and use a lot of electricity.

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I think one of the big problems with CRT is that it gives people too much of an excuse to blame others for everything negative that happens in our lives, giving us the scapegoat of "racism". Racism does exist and does need to be addressed when it occurs, but CRT seems to have the view that in order to make everything "better" that everything that currently exists (because it's all stained and saturated with racism) needs to be completely torn down and somehow whatever is built will end up being this perfect utopia.

From a Christian point of view, such a utopia would never work because the root of the problem isn't racism or any other -ism, but sin, and human beings naturally flawed with sin, are incapable of building a perfect and equitable society.

From a non-religious point of view, CRT is troubling because it seems to wish to tear down the entire United States and the ideals of Democracy itself for its own ideals and that goes far, far, far beyond issues of racism.

I have a lot of subscriptions in my YouTube feed, both liberal and conservative and lots in between because I like to listen to lots of different viewpoints on things, and this one popped up in my feed this morning and I was thinking that I wish more of what he was saying was taught in our schools, and that is to "divorce" the negative part of yourself that keeps telling you how much you "can't" and then do better. It's a POSITIVE message, and we (and our children) need more of these sorts of positive messages that are also anchored in reality.

Aldebaran said:

In other words, you want me to get CRT information from sites and people who are actually in favor of teaching CRT. Sorry, but no.

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Getting it from the people who actually understand and teach it kind of seems like the obvious choice.

What would you say to someone who got all of their information on Christianity from Richard Dawkins and other such atheists?

Or someone who got all of their information on America from the North Korean government?

Aldebaran said:

"people who actually understand and teach it" are the ones who agree with it enough to promote it. So again, it's just the people who actually agree with it that you want me to get my information from.

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But if all you know about it is what those who are opposed to it say, how can you be informed enough to know that promoting it is a bad thing? Wouldn't it make more sense to read about what is actually being taught instead of right-wing distortions of it? Or do you think that the people who advocate the idea are all lying about what it really means, and only the critics know the truth?

To bring it back to my questions (which you ignored, BTW), if all that someone knew about Christianity came from Richard Dawkins, then wouldn't they also think something like 'I'm not going to listen to what Christians say about Christianity, because they're in favor of it and that's wrong, because I know that it's bad, because Dawkins says so'. That's the same attitude you have here.

Who really invented CRT I wonder? It seems I'm coming across a number of black folks who disagree with it, so is CRT more of a white liberal virtue-signaling type of thing?

Aldebaran said:

Critical theory (CT), a social theory developed in the mid-1900s, emerges from the Frankfurt School (a collection of European intellectuals and social theorists) as a 20th-century interpretation of Marxism. CT essentially argues that the critique of current social structures should start with how historical beliefs, social norms, and institutions have played a role in their development. While CT is an amalgamation of other social and political philosophies, its roots are in the Marxist belief that current social conditions are the product of history. This belief comes directly from Marx’s writings, where he claims current systems are just the continuation of past systems. He states in the “Communist Manifesto” that “the means of production and of exchange, on whose foundation the bourgeoisie built itself up, were generated in feudal society.”
Critical race theory is drenched in Marxist principles - Carolina Journal

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Hmm I'm curious as to the races of those mid-1900 European intellectuals and social theorists. Is this something black people in general actually want, or is it something that's been inflicted upon them by white intellectuals to ensure that they understand that they must live in a perpetual status of inferiority and oppression?

Government's role in deciding what can and can't be taught in public school is a fine argument for parochial/private education.

bekkilyn said:

Hmm I'm curious as to the races of those mid-1900 European intellectuals and social theorists. Is this something black people in general actually want, or is it something that's been inflicted upon them by white intellectuals to ensure that they understand that they must live in a perpetual status of inferiority and oppression?

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If you think that you’re going to get the unvarnished truth about CRT on this forum…good luck with that.