Why do so many Christians revere Trump?

friend of · Oct 16, 2021

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Which were started by then President Bush and his warmongers and were poorly executed.

Obama started more wars than Bush did.

DamianWarS · Oct 17, 2021

Beanieboy said:
When Trump was running for president, I watched him court the Religious Right by appearing on their shows in interviews. Trump would say things like, "I read the Bible more than anybody," but when asked what his favorite passage was, said, "the New Testament." I'm a teacher and looked up from my grading and thought "you didn't read the book, did you?" I mean, come on, if you have to quote a verse, John 3:16. When asked if he asked God for forgiveness said no, because he hasn't done anything wrong.

Clinton appeared on a radio show or podcast with two black men and one black woman. The woman asked "what is something that you always keep in your purse?" Hillary said, "hot sauce" and you can see the black girl fall out laughing at here, aware of how pandering she sounded. The African American community were already at odds with her quotes of the past about super predators and bring them to heel. The protests would have been a great time for discussion and healing, but Clinton chose to simply quiet the voice.

I assumed that the Religious Right were kind of making a deal with the devil if we vote for Trump, he will put conservative Supreme Court justices to help illegalize abortion, etc.

But a Canadian talk show host would go to rallies, ask people what they thought of ghe "Grab her by the" comment. One woman said, "Didn't happen," When told it was on tape - fake news

While I don't expect anyone to be perfect, he was notorious for his racist comments towards most communities of color, was an expert in creating fear of some other, being divisive, all the while QAnon was claiming he was going to destroy a secret cabal and free us all as well as arrest people in human traficking rings kind of like Indiana Jones and Short Round, to the point that anything questionable he said or did was ignored and it bordered on worship like a cult leader.

What was the draw, exactly? He seemed to be running for president for his own gain and ego, but because people followed him so blindly, I understood what happens when the anti-Christ appears. Despite a number of red flags, all that needs to be done is to create z common enemy, say what you want to hear, and dangle a carrot from a stick.

And because this is how so many opposing him saw him, using critical thinking, many of us were left confused about how he had so much power over others.

Trumps values were transactional and they won him the presidency. They were never his values, they were the votes values and that's why he had such a hard time job representing them. As Christians we shouldn't be so quick to amen every Republican. The presidency can and will fall and America's value system can and will fall. our faith should be based on the infailable not the failable.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 17, 2021

friend of said:
Obama started more wars than Bush did.

Where?

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 17, 2021

DamianWarS said:
As Christians we shouldn't be so quick to amen every Republican. The presidency can and will fall and America's value system can and will fall. our faith should be based on the infailable not the failable.

Valletta · Oct 17, 2021

Sketcher said:
People weren't falling over John McCain in 2008 like they were for Trump in 2016 and following years. Yes, there were people who mistakenly thought John McCain was a man of God just because he was a Republican. But there were not as many people fired up about McCain the same way they were fired up about Trump, nor was there such a stark contrast between the candidate's actions in the relatively recent past and Christianity as there was with Trump, which didn't seem to matter. Sure, McCain had an affair and "married" the mistress 28 years before his nomination, but at the time of the nomination he could believably pass as a Christian anyway with the other things he did and said. Trump's past with women was far worse, far more recent (including the non-consensual kissing he bragged about), and in that election year he publicly admitted that he failed to grasp any need to repent for anything. Many Christians did vote for him anyway, because Clinton was her own kind of horrible, but at least they did so with the understanding that he wasn't a Christian. But the really insane part is how some Christians became hostile to other Christians who admitted and criticized Trump's faults as a person. When this very measured column doing so was written (which attempted consistency between judging Mr. Trump and Mr. Clinton), that was my friend's break with Christianity Today as a news source. McCain never would have been that sort of a lightning rod.

The media made in image of McCain that was far from reality. Originally the media called him "Songbird" for his extensive violation of the military code of conduct during the war (Snopes is wrong, it was the media, not a group of veterans, who came up with the name.) There's a book that mentions the charge of a POW/MIA spouse whose husband was missing who was groped by McCain, then McCain was a member of the Keating Five, he falsely went after a POW/MIA sister (recorded on CSPAN), during a Senate hearing and yes he did dump his wife and played around with a rich girl after she was in an accident. But they remade him out to be some kind of hero. As to Trump, the one thing I was surprised at was that he delivered. And he was mercilessly attacked by the press because he was an outsider, not a member of the corrupt Washington/media alliance. It is amazing that some people don't see the difference in how Trump and Biden are treated by the media. To those people, take a non-political issue such as mental health, the press went after Trump but gave Biden a pass when any objective observer can tell Biden is far more cognitively challenged than was Trump.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 17, 2021

mama2one said:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/authoritarian-therapy/202009/what-is-the-appeal-trumpism

"Trump has established an emotional connection with 40% of the American people. In my opinion, it is a narcissistic identification with Trump that is at the heart of his appeal. That Trump can say he can shoot someone and retain appeal, or grab women by the genitals, suggests he has tapped into the unconscious desires and thoughts of millions of Americans. His vulgarity, indecency, and law-breaking leads his followers into a narcissistic identification – as if they are Trump."

This comes closest. He resonates with something. And my sister, who is one of the biggest Trump admirers I know, is just like him (without the money).

Albion · Oct 17, 2021

Handmaid for Jesus said:
You are forgetting that the economy fell into the ditch with then President Bush.

No, I wasn't forgetting that, but what Obama gave us in reply was the longest recession in American history, called everywhere "The Great Recession." So that is what Trump inherited (and promptly solved).

By the time Trump came to office, the economy was in full recovery.

I'm deciding how many "pinocchios" that one deserves.

Valletta · Oct 17, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
This comes closest. He resonates with something. And my sister, who is one of the biggest Trump admirers I know, is just like him (without the money).

What a garbage article, more name calling than anything else. So typical.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 17, 2021

Albion said:
No, I wasn't forgetting that, but what Obama gave us in reply was the longest recession in American history, called everywhere "The Great Recession." So that is what Trump inherited (and promptly solved).

I'm deciding how many "pinocchios" that one deserves.

The "pinocchios belong to you.

The Great Recession
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/great-recession.asp
By
THE INVESTOPEDIA TEAM

Reviewed by
MICHAEL J BOYLE

on October 23, 2020
What Was the Great Recession?

The Great Recession was the sharp decline in economic activity during the late 2000s. It is considered the most significant downturn since the Great Depression. The term Great Recession applies to both the U.S. recession, officially lasting from December 2007 to June 2009, and the ensuing global recession in 2009. The economic slump began when the U.S. housing market went from boom to bust, and large amounts of mortgage-backed securities (MBS's) and derivatives lost significant value.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

The Great Recession refers to the economic downturn from 2007 to 2009 after the bursting of the U.S. housing bubble and the global financial crisis.
The Great Recession was the most severe economic recession in the United States since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
In response to the Great Recession, unprecedented fiscal, monetary, and regulatory policy was unleashed by federal authorities, which some, but not all, credit with subsequent recovery.

Albion · Oct 17, 2021

Handmaid for Jesus said:
The "pinocchios belong to you.

If you are trying to exonerate Obama by use of that source material, you're reading something into my comments.

By "gave us" the Great Recession, I was saying that Obama had eight long years and he didn't get us out of that misfortune. He made it the GREAT Recession because of his failure in handling the downturn.

We all know that Obama didn't start the recession, but he failed bigtime to get us out of it. It took Trump to accomplish that.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 17, 2021

Albion said:
If you are trying to exonerate Obama by use of that source material, you're reading something into my comments.

By "gave us" the Great Recession, I was saying that Obama had eight long years and he didn't get us out of that misfortune. He made it the GREAT Recession because of his failure in handling the downturn.

We all know that Obama didn't start the recession, but he failed bigtime to get us out of it. It took Trump to accomplish that.

The "Great Recession" lasted from December 2007 too June 2009. The Federal government,, under President Obama, was credited with the subsequent recovery. Read the linked article.

Albion · Oct 17, 2021

Handmaid for Jesus said:
The "Great Recession" lasted from December 2007 too June 2009.

If we agree on that, Obama still remains the failure, over eight years, to get us out of it. But Trump did.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 17, 2021

Albion said:
If we agree on that, Obama still remains the failure, over eight years, to get us out of it. But Trump did.

You believe a lie.
Obama’s Legacy on the Economy Is Anything But a Mess - Center for American Progress
Obama’s Legacy on the Economy Is Anything But a Mess
By Christian E. Weller and Brendan Duke June 1, 2017, 9:03 am
The economy improved markedly under former President Barack Obama, from the start of 2009 through the end of 2016. Faced with the specter of another Great Depression in winter 2009, President Obama enacted a series of policies that helped the economy avoid that fate. The economy was growing again by the second half of 2009, and jobs followed suit by early 2010. Economic growth continued apace for the rest of President Obama’s time in office, and job growth logged its longest expansion on record by early 2017, dating back to 1939.1 Employment opportunities improved, the unemployment rate fell, wages eventually increased, and household debt dropped sharply.

While things could have been better—faster growth, more jobs, and less inequality, for instance—the economic situation at the end of President Obama's second term does not resemble "a mess" or a uniquely poor performance, as the Trump administration likes to portray it.2

Instead, President Donald Trump inherited a solid economy after years of improvements, with the economy and the labor market headed in the right direction on all key economic indicators. The real danger at this point comes from the policy directions sketched out by the Trump administration. The policies that President Trump and his administration have advanced so far endanger economic and job growth by creating massive uncertainty for businesses. Trump’s policies are likely to worsen inequality by weakening wage and benefit growth for middle-class Americans and possibly undoing the progress of the past few years.

The data for President Obama’s two terms show unambiguously good trends on all key economic indicators:

Mclachlan · Oct 18, 2021

Carl Emerson said:
I think the reason he was supported was that he represented the personification of 'dominionism' - a theology held by many modern mega churches.

They claim to have the authority to establish the 'Kingdom Now' and you can hear it in the way they pray... "I release this... "I command that...
An assumed authority that has departed from the sermon on the mount and the principle of less of us and more of Him.

This. And the fact that many false prophets in and around those mega churches painted a picture of Trump which likened him to king Cyrus.
Another possible explanation is that he did seem to uniquely stand up for Christian values and was not scared to go against the tide of conventional wisdom.

Jake Arsenal · Oct 18, 2021

Handmaid for Jesus said:
The "Great Recession" lasted from December 2007 too June 2009. The Federal government,, under President Obama, was credited with the subsequent recovery. Read the linked article.

That may well be for the wealthier people, but for poor people where I was, the recession didn't really hit until late 2009 when companies started cut backs. Some people resisted eating opossum until 2010 or even 2011.

Albion · Oct 18, 2021

Jake Arsenal said:
That may well be for the wealthier people, but for poor people where I was, the recession didn't really hit until late 2009 when companies started cut backs. Some people resisted eating opossum until 2010 or even 2011.

And it clearly was not the case that the country recovered during the Obama years.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 18, 2021

Albion said:
And it clearly was not the case that the country recovered during the Obama years.

Irrelevant when it comes to the OP topic.

Albion · Oct 18, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
Irrelevant when it comes to the OP topic.

You think it's "irrelevant" to the OP topic ("Why do so many Christians revere Trump?") when it Trump who brought back prosperity after eight years of the Great Recession under Obama?

Many people actually prefer prosperity, Akita.

Akita Suggagaki · Oct 19, 2021

Albion said:
You think it's "irrelevant" to the OP topic ("Why do so many Christians revere Trump?") when it Trump who brought back prosperity after eight years of the Great Recession under Obama?

Many people actually prefer prosperity, Akita.

Trump "bringing back prosperity" is debatable.

Trump boasts the economy reached historic heights during his first term. Here are 9 charts showing how it stacks up to the Obama and Bush presidencies.

"Still, experts say presidents wield only limited power on the economy's trajectory.

"It's true the president is probably the single most powerful person with the most influence over it," Aaron Sojourner, a former White House economist who served both the Obama and Trump administrations, told Business Insider. "But nobody has very much control over it."

Something else must account for the "reverence" resulting in something like the January 6th revolt.

Albion · Oct 19, 2021

Akita Suggagaki said:
Trump "bringing back prosperity" is debatable.

Not to most people who lived through that period in our history. Do you remember "Cash for Clunkers" that did nothing to help? Or the "Shovel-ready projects" that Obama himself had to admit did not exist. And that's just a sample.

But when Trump became president, the recovery was swift, even if those people who won't say a positive thing about the man even if their lives depended on it will forever claim that Obama was responsible in some supernatural way.

Why do so many Christians revere Trump?

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