"Mutual Combat" is OK in Chicago

SkyWriting · Oct 16, 2021

dqhall said:
Why don’t we have stricter gun control laws like Canada, Australia, or England? These countries have stricter gun control laws and less murder. Why sell guns to convicted felons without background checks? Why do people need semi auto assault rifles? Households who own guns are more likely to have one of their own die of gunshot wounds.’

The answer is that we recently stole the United States from Native Americans and we needed guns to enforce our violent way of life and defend the US from British rule. Plus local hunting is a way of life going back 400 years. So we were founded on the ideal of independence and not a centralized government.

dqhall · Oct 16, 2021

SkyWriting said:
The answer is that we recently stole the United States from Native Americans and we needed guns to enforce our violent way of life and defend the US from British rule. Plus local hunting is a way of life going back 400 years. So we were founded on the ideal of independence and not a centralized government.

Jesus said, “Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.” Matthew 26:53

I live in a county where there are 2 or 3 murders per year. I do not have to listen to gunfire on a Saturday night. There are courts to settle disputes. The police are armed. What is a militia? Jesus said we are supposed to love one another (John 13:34-35). Churches have services Sunday mornings.

When I grew up people were not allowed to have assault rifles. There were no school shootings. Someone shot up a Post Office sometimes. The Vietnam War was a problem. Now the schools appear like military installations with high chain link fences and gates. Some schools installed metal detectors to prevent students from carrying weapons into school. Guns are not the way to salvation.

Gregory Thompson · Oct 16, 2021

Original Happy Camper said:
How far can we take this, domestic violence would fall under this "mutual combat" as it takes two to fight

Exactly, it's basically returning to frontier law. Might as well fire the police.

SkyWriting · Oct 16, 2021

dqhall said:
I live in a county where there are 2 or 3 murders per year. I do not have to listen to gunfire on a Saturday night. There are courts to settle disputes. The police are armed. What is a militia? Jesus said we are supposed to love one another (John 13:34-35). Churches have services Sunday mornings.

But assault weapons are legal and sold in your county .....so....what was your point?

JimR-OCDS · Oct 16, 2021

dqhall said:
Why don’t we have stricter gun control laws like Canada, Australia, or England? These countries have stricter gun control laws and less murder. Why sell guns to convicted felons without background checks? Why do people need semi auto assault rifles? Households who own guns are more likely to have one of their own die of gunshot wounds.

Matthew 25:34-36
Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’

Canada has 35 million people. The US has ten times that amount, 350 million.

Both Australia and Canada don't have the diverse populations that the US has. In fact
Canada and Australia have strict immigration laws which prohibits people immigrating there unless they have a job before hand. The US, allows anyone who wants to come come in. Also, the US welfare state helped collapse families so that father's are no longer responsible to raise their children.

Only law abiding citizens obey gun laws. Most crimes committed with guns in the USA, are committed with guns illegally purchased or stolen.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

anna ~ grace · Oct 16, 2021

Pavel Mosko said:
Well to that response I will have to post a section of one of the articles.

"The story of prosecutors nixing charges is making national news :

Illinois prosecutors rejected charging five suspects in a deadly gang-related shootout that unfolded in Chicago, despite police reportedly seeking to charge all five suspects with murder and aggravated battery.

The shootout took place in the Austin community of Chicago Friday morning, and was reportedly sparked by an internal dispute between two factions of the Four Corner Hustlers gang, the Chicago Sun Times reported, citing an internal police report and a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation.

Five men were taken into custody over the shootout, which required a SWAT team response and led to police finding more than 70 shell casings. One shooter was left dead and two of the suspects wounded.

The police source told the outlet that law enforcement sought murder and aggravated battery charges for all five suspects.

By Sunday morning, however, they were released without charges.

Do you think a licensed concealed carrier would have dodged prosecution if he’d had a negligent discharge somewhere on the streets of the city?"

And the answer to that question is obviously no because the city has strict gun laws compared to the rest of the country the District Attorney is just not enforcing them when it comes to blatant criminals.

The video is very interesting, they are just letting the gang stuff run wild.

So, basically, they’re just going to let all the young Black men in gangs kill each other, and get away with it? Black on Black crime is no longer crime? How does Black lives mattering fit into this concept?

dqhall · Oct 16, 2021

JimR-OCDS said:
Also, the US welfare state helped collapse families so that father's are no longer responsible to raise their children.

They have DNA paternity tests. A man may be liable to pay child support, even if the single mother of his child is collecting food stamp benefits. A man who refuses to pay child support may be arrested.

They are not supposed to do premarital sex - fornication; as it does not support proper family formation.

If people did not hire illegal immigrants, they would not come. No president has been able to build a complete wall. There is also a problem with people arriving in planes and not returning to their countries of origin.

Gregory Thompson · Oct 16, 2021

anna ~ grace said:
So, basically, they’re just going to let all the young Black men in gangs kill each other, and get away with it? Black on Black crime is no longer crime? How does Black lives mattering fit into this concept?

It applies in the sense that the BLM movement is asking for the police to stop killing them, so they're letting them kill one another. It stresses the irrelevance of the department of justice.

miamited · Oct 16, 2021

Hi OHC,

Original Happy Camper said:
Christian in name only IMHO

So the new 'conservative Republican buzz acronyms are 'RINO' and 'CHINO'. Next they'll be inventing 'RAINO'. For all the skinheads and neo-nazi types that don't quite fit their model of racism. HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA.

God bless,
Ted

miamited · Oct 16, 2021

Hi @JimR-OCDS

JimR-OCDS said:
Also, the US welfare state helped collapse families so that father's are no longer responsible to raise their children.

I believe the truth of that matter is the relaxation of our divorce laws. Fathers who leave children, or who create children without any concern for their continued care, don't really care whether or not the 'welfare state' takes care of them or not. I don't really believe that our 'welfare state' has much to do with our fatherless children issue. For me, that comes from not teaching our children the godly principles of the sexual union; the continued and growing media 'entertainment' that is constantly and always teaching that sex is just something you do after dinner and a cup of coffee. Or after a night out at the local club. What some might refer to as our growing hedonism.

There is practically no media entertainment today, outside of some christian based programming, where every time a man and woman, and of course, today it can be two men and two women, aren't, within the next 10 minutes of the plot, in bed romping around gasping and humping for sexual gratification. That's what has destroyed the nuclear family unit.

God bless,
Ted

JimR-OCDS · Oct 16, 2021

miamited said:
Hi @JimR-OCDS

I believe the truth of that matter is the relaxation of our divorce laws. Fathers who leave children, or who create children without any concern for their continued care, don't really care whether or not the 'welfare state' takes care of them or not. I don't really believe that our 'welfare state' has much to do with our fatherless children issue. For me, that comes from not teaching our children the godly principles of the sexual union; the continued and growing media 'entertainment' that is constantly and always teaching that sex is just something you do after dinner and a cup of coffee. Or after a night out at the local club. What some might refer to as our growing hedonism.

There is practically no media entertainment today, outside of some christian based programming, where every time a man and woman, and of course, today it can be two men and two women, aren't, within the next 10 minutes of the plot, in bed romping around gasping and humping for sexual gratification. That's what has destroyed the nuclear family unit.

God bless,
Ted

In the past welfare rewarded young girls with a monthly income, apartment and food stamps when they had a child. This children were essentially being raised by children the mothers and who had no idea who the father was. Often, multiple children were raised in homes where each child had a different father whom they never met.

https://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/05/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.html

miamited · Oct 16, 2021

JimR-OCDS said:
In the past welfare rewarded young girls with a monthly income, apartment and food stamps when they had a child. This children were essentially being raised by children the mothers and who had no idea who the father was. Often, multiple children were raised in homes where each child had a different father whom they never met.

https://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/05/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.html

Hi @JimR-OCDS

Got no argument with me on that part of the issue. My difference was in the root cause of fatherless children. I don't believe the 'welfare state' that you describe is the cause, it is the response to the problem. I'm confident that the root cause of fatherless children is our laissez faire attitude towards sex. Sex being the root cause of children. Just as the Scriptures declare, sex needs to be controlled. Although the Scriptures don't put it quite so bluntly, that is what God's commands about sex are. We now live in a society, especially in most of the industrialized nations, that teach, through media and peer pressure that sex is just what you do to have fun with a girl...or vice versa.

God bless,
Ted

miamited · Oct 16, 2021

@JimR-OCDS

For the record, your link is an opinion piece with very little in the way of facts to tie his argument of the 'welfare state' as being the cause of fatherlessness among children. In fact, his argument seems to be making the point that this issue is a predominantly black issue, and quite frankly, I know tons of white mothers nursing babies who refer to the father as being some 'baby daddy' living with some other family or still out romping around. Trust me, the root cause of fatherless babies is 'sex'. Without 'sex' there are no babies either fatherless or fathered.

The writer seems to think all this changed when welfare came on board, but it's also true that the sexual revolution was going gangbusters about the same time. The 60's and 70's was the generation of free love and lots of sex. That hasn't changed much since it began.

God bless,
Ted

JimR-OCDS · Oct 16, 2021

miamited said:
@JimR-OCDS

For the record, your link is an opinion piece with very little in the way of facts to tie his argument of the 'welfare state' as being the cause of fatherlessness among children. In fact, his argument seems to be making the point that this issue is a predominantly black issue, and quite frankly, I know tons of white mothers nursing babies who refer to the father as being some 'baby daddy' living with some other family or still out romping around. Trust me, the root cause of fatherless babies is 'sex'. Without 'sex' there are no babies either fatherless or fathered.

The writer seems to think all this changed when welfare came on board, but it's also true that the sexual revolution was going gangbusters about the same time. The 60's and 70's was the generation of free love and lots of sex. That hasn't changed much since it began.

God bless,
Ted

Thomas Sowell provide not only the evidence, but the experience of living through
the experience.

Refute what you want, but the reality is, 70% of black children being born into homes without fathers is a reality of the past and present and we're seeing the consequences.

renniks · Oct 16, 2021

dqhall said:
Why don’t we have stricter gun control laws like Canada, Australia, or England?

Chicago does have strict gun laws. Listen closely: Gangs of criminals don't care about laws, as evidenced by the fact that they are killing each other. Newsflash: murder is already against the law.

renniks · Oct 16, 2021

miamited said:
Hi OHC,

That's probably true. Rifles and shotguns aren't generally the firearm of choice for killers. I honestly can't remember the last firearm's death report that indicated that either of those types of weapons were used. They are bulky to deal with and much harder to hide under the seat or in a suitcase or one's belt. They also don't load nearly as many projectiles as the modern day handgun or semi-automatic.

God bless,
Ted

There goes the argument against " assault rifles".

renniks · Oct 16, 2021

miamited said:
HI OHC,

Ahhhh, the wiley 'guns don't kill, people kill' defense. I've always wondered why whalers don't just stand on the side of their whaling boats and scream whales to death or threaten them to death with a tirade of murderous complaints. Somehow they always seem to use those big harpoons and everyone knows that 'harpoons don't kill whales, people kill whales'.

Or deer hunters (or any other land based game hunters) don't just walk through the woods yelling all of the deer to be dead. The deer would just fall down at their feet dead just by their murderous threats. Somehow they always have to fire a weapon of some kind to 'kill' the beast. Is it really the people killing the animal or the weapon?

I can see how some of fairly illogical thinking processes might consider that it isn't the gun that kills, and to be completely correct, it isn't the gun that kills. It's the little metal projectile that the gun fires that kills, but the gun allows us to throw that little metal projectile at some living creature in a manner that it will enter the body and do enough damage to kill someone. I mean, maybe that's the answer. All hunters just buy a box of shells or bullets and stand out there in the woods and throw them at deer. We could take the gun completely out of the equation and see how many animals, and people, die from having bullets thrown at them. HA-HA-HA-HA-HA.

I can just picture the scene in Chicago. Two gangs lined up or driving by and everyone holding a box of ammunition and throwing it at the other gang. HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA

God bless,
Ted

My guns never kill anything by themselves... do yours?

miamited · Oct 16, 2021

JimR-OCDS said:
Thomas Sowell provide not only the evidence, but the experience of living through
the experience.

Refute what you want, but the reality is, 70% of black children being born into homes without fathers is a reality of the past and present and we're seeing the consequences.

Hi @JimR-OCDS

I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, I do agree that 34% of children being born into homes without fathers is a problem. In fact, the Latino population, according to The Annie E Casey Foundation, has a larger total number of such children than the black demographic. So, I think you should probably back off of this idea that you seem to be espousing that this is a black issue. But, my argument isn't that it is a problem, but your understanding of the 'cause' of the problem. You seem to think it's because we have a 'welfare state' mentality. I think it's because we have extremely loose morals when it comes to sex and the responsibilities thereof.

United States
American Indian
Number
341,000
Percent
52%
Asian and Pacific Islander
Number
549,000
Percent
15%
Black or African American
Number
5,988,000
Percent
64%
Hispanic or Latino
Number
7,339,000
Percent
42%
Non-Hispanic White
Number
8,479,000
Percent
24%
Two or more races
Number
1,923,000
Percent
40%
Total
Number
23,756,000
Percent
34% total of children born into single parent homes

It's my contention that there are likely a very, very large number of those Latinos, Indian, and white parents who are receiving the welfare checks also, but that isn't the 'cause' of our fatherless children. The cause of all children is sex. The cause of many of those children being fatherless is because in those cases the sex isn't between two committed parents who understand the responsibility of the consequences of such sexual relations.

God bless,
Ted

miamited · Oct 16, 2021

renniks said:
My guns never kill anything by themselves... do yours?

Hi @renniks

I don't have any firearms. But I know those whaler's harpoons don't kill whales by themselves. They each have to have someone controlling them. That's the problem! We can't legislate the character of people who are controlling the firearms. Trust me or not, the U.S. is always going to have the world's greatest firearms death rate until we put such instruments under tighter control. Whether or not anyone can agree that it's the weapon or the person that does the killing.

But, I fully understand that we're a proud bunch of boys who think getting rid of our firearms is tantamount to losing all our freedom. Personally, I never understood such thinking, but I do know that it's out there.

God bless,
Ted

renniks · Oct 16, 2021

miamited said:
Hi @renniks

I don't have any firearms. But I know those whaler's harpoons don't kill whales by themselves. They each have to have someone controlling them. That's the problem! We can't legislate the character of people who are controlling the firearms. Trust me or not, the U.S. is always going to have the world's greatest firearms death rate until we put such instruments under tighter control. Whether or not anyone can agree that it's the weapon or the person that does the killing.

But, I fully understand that we're a proud bunch of boys who think getting rid of our firearms is tantamount to losing all our freedom. Personally, I never understood such thinking, but I do know that it's out there.

God bless,
Ted

When you have used a gun all your life since about 10 years old and depend on them for food and such, yes losing them is losing freedom.
They are in the tool kit of most rural people and we don't need any more restrictions. In my state about 500000 hunters hit the woods opening day.
Most years you have about 1 accidental fatality. Obviously the guns aren't randomly killing people.

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