Can you check this for heterodoxy? Thanks.

There is the Law of God, written personally by the finger of God that is a covenant of Ten (not nine, or eight) Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13 God spoke His law to the Nation. God's commandments was placed inside the ark in the Most Holy in God's Temple. God had a Temple on earth and one in Heaven Revelations 11:19. God's law is perfect Psalms 19:7 and reflects the very character of our Savior and is eternal Matthew 5:17-19. Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?. The law of Moses was written by Moses in a book Deut 31:24, 1 Cor 9:9, was added because of sin Gal 3:19, contained curses Deut 29:20-21, Gal 3:10. The law of Moses and God's commandments have always been separated, they are different covenants and serve different purposes. God's Ten Commandments are Universal and Eternal. The law of Moses that contained ordinances Eph 2:15 which had the sacrificial system- blood and food offerings ended with Christ as our perfect sacrifice. Hebrews 10, Col 2:14 not God's eternal commandments.

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Pavel Mosko said:

Is this SDA? Yes I think it is heterodox simply because it sounds different than the traditional orthodox Christian teaching on the Eternal nature of God. This is heterodox because the 10 commandments come from the mind of God etc. but they do not share his Divine attributes and nature, which includes things like being uncreated and pre-existent. This actually is a Koranic / Islamic take on the 10 commandments because Muslims really believe that is something that Eternally proceeds from Allah, is Eternally spoken etc.
I got say, the more I look into SDA the more I begin to believe that it was a mistake for churches to take them off the cult list. They may have reformed a lot, but their still is a weird "Bait and Switch" game that is played when it comes to them and Saturday and Sunday. Even if you follow traditional Christian practice and see both days as sacred, times of rest and worship they still seem to demagogue against worshipping on the day of the Lord, where it seems they want to cast pagan aspersions (going back to their belief it is the Mark of the Beast).


Besides all this stuff, Love of God and Neighbor are the summary of the commandments. The commandments are specific examples of how to do that aimed at covering the basic areas of life. The Law itself in it's entirety was likened as pedagogue which was a slave that was also a school teacher and baby sitter.


Now I got to say, there is a lot of sophistry when it comes to the Commandments. Christians believe they are a kind of objective standard of behavior if we are really "living by the Spirit". But as the saying goes "the Devil is in the details" and we are not under the Mosaic Covenant.

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Pavel Mosko said:

It is the kind of logic and rhetoric I have heard repeatedly by them but not exclusive to them, there is a new discussion board that is a little more than a year old called "the Seventh Day Safehouse" where other folks who have similar or identical views do the same tricks, and some of them are very very prominent here.

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Pavel Mosko said:

@Thatgirloncfforums

I'm actually glad you asked this kind of question because this general problem has been something I've been stewing on as far as writing. In particular the notion of using the official term of Heterodox to describe certain things. Of late the notion that you have to worship only Saturday etc. especially.


I'm interested in that term as a way of describing someone who disagrees with the ancient Christian teaching on subjects that are considered dogmatic, "Biblical", what the apostles taught to their bishop successors etc. In some ways it is a synonym for heretic, but it also has a very specific and exact meaning so it might evade certain board standards. I haven't formally investigated it yet, that assumption may not be true.


But there is this basic issue. The Church Fathers read saint Paul on subjects like not being under the Mosaic law etc. much the way that I did as a former Lutheran, and later as a nondenominational Charismatic, especially on certain issues like Acts 15, and the various epistles against the Judaizers etc. And that is very important, because they did this actually organically by actually living back then and doing their ministry, receiving Catechesis and instruction from folks like Ignatius of Antioch who knew saint John the Divine etc. So that really says something! That also reinforces certain scriptures about the Church, about it being "The Pillar of Truth", a Lamp, The Gates of Hell will not prevail against it etc. Because in my opinion there are some cans of worms that got solved 2 Millenia ago, and the fact that certain people want to undo that is very significant in a bad way...

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Norbert L said:

I imagine you're referring to this? "The law of Moses and God's commandments have always been separated, they are different covenants and serve different purposes. God's Ten Commandments are Universal and Eternal."

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Norbert L said:

It's not unknown to history that some gentile Christians from the major faiths decided to observe the 7th day and didn't like Sunday. So yes, they were once in Communion. Besides as far as I'm aware of, even the major Christian faiths aren't fully in communion with each other either. Which in my view is more about the necessity of having written down administrative guidelines than spiritual discernment.

Take for instance the stance on Filioque. When a Roman Catholic finds themselves in one of life's predicaments and only has access to an EO church, will they receive communion? (I'm not suggesting that should be carte blanche as well, because the last thing any place of worship needs is someone that will use doctrinal differences to create divisions.)

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ArmyMatt said:

no, and it’s way more than the filioque that separates us

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